"Pazhassi Raja" audio release ??
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"Pazhassi Raja" audio release ??
Pazhassi Raja is due to release on christmas so probably audio will be 1 week or 2 weeks before the movie comes out.
Whatever happened to Naan Kadavul ??
WEbsite'aavathu ippa release panninaangannu santhosha paduvom :)Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
http://www.pazhassirajathefilm.co.cc/
RS, The Pazhassiraja site is NOT an official site (though quite decently done). The music that they have used there is definitely not IR's. It sounds way too amateurish.
Shankar's assistant floors the maestro!
October 15, 2008
This seems to be the season of assistant directors from prestigious stables to make their independent entry into the world of films. The latest to join this bandwagon is Ananthanarayanan who had his training under Shankar. His maiden directorial film Valmiki starring Kalloori Akhil, Meera Nandan and Shruthi is almost ready. Ilayaraja scores music for Valmiki. The interesting factor about this film is that Raja scoring music after he witnessed the rough draft of the film before editing.
It has been said that Raja chose six specific locations in the film where the songs can be interspersed and then composed music. Vaali pens the lyrics for this film and Raja himself has rendered his voice for two numbers. Recording for the rest of the songs is slated to happen in a couple of days. This sort of music composition has precedence in Aranmanaikili and Naatupura Paatu wherein the songs were a runaway hit during those times.
Raja is supposedly signed up for a movie 'kalaignar' (mu kA's bio).
Bharathi had good songs but Kamaraj hadn't made any impression on public. The other bio, Periyar didn't come to him. He is working on the pazhassi rAjA in Malayalam and now this...
Has he done any other such ventures (in Tamil or other lang)?
Jesudas sings for IR in Nandalala:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/42405.html
thanks,
Krishnan
An error in that nandhalala article - 'vAzhvE mAyam' was not by IR, by GA.
I found KJY struggling a bit (age?) in the 'kaiyeththA dhooraththu' song last year. His voice still has the magic, though.
Let me say this outright - I have enormous respect for ARR and what he can deliver for the masses. So this post has got nothing to do with him or his capabilities.
The more I read about Marmayogi and a glimpse of what the story might be, why was IR rejected or politically right not the choice by Kamal? Was it because Kamal had inherent doubts on the capabilities of this genius? In my opinion with a creator & motivator like Kamal, wonders could have come out. Agree Virumaandi was not the best of their outputs, but look at Hey Ram - I bow thee. I was watching it even last week and man it is indeed a classic.
So why on earth Kamal had to choose IR? Was it financial marketability? Was it fear of failure? Or confidence lost? I always look at how Spielberg tuck to John Williams no matter what and wonders have always come out from JW. Kamal is no Spielberg, but the statement was to bring out the anomaly of the situation here. Maybe I’m venting too much here. But maybe a few in the forum know more than me. To sum up, we have lost a dashing combo forever.... adios !!
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Agree Virumaandi was not the best of their outputs
Who said that ???!!!
Virumandi could have been the best folk album that IR could give to Kamal.
And every one knows how Kamal butchered the songs with his nasty picturization ! :(
Had a song like Kombula poova suththi or Unna vida gone to a better director, the results would have been vastly different..
There was nothing wrong with the picturisation.....those songs were done as part of the screenplay rather than out of focus...if kamal had done it differently the screenplay would look terrible...he had to do it realistically as moving the story forward for the viewers to grasp whats happening.
Normal man, as a loyal IR fan for decades, I can vouch
for IR's degeneration in his creativity and quality of songs
with progress of time and I purely blame it on his age , lack of innovation and motivation factors. It happened for MSV, it happens for Raja now and will happen for Rahman too . Today I cannot play any new Raja's movie album at my home without the risk of being rebuked or criticized and that tells us all. Kamal is a pucca commercial filmy guy no different from Rajini or KSRavikumar and he takes a lot of pride in that. Though he may have good friendship with Raja, he is not here for charity. He would prefer a hit machine like Himesh to a once upon a time, king , Raja who has not been able to muster a single hit for so many years in TFM
IMO virumaandi is better than Thevar magan musical wise. Virumaandi is a complete album , couple of peppy numbers and couple of melodies finally a great grammiya pattu.
I think Kamal has chosen ARR for his marketability. This decision is just based on commercial success. you can say kamal is afraid of failure, or on the other hand he may needs to satisfy 'some' people with the choices he makes.
But one thing is sure a film like MY is tailor made for WCM (western classical masster) like IR.
Not agreeable: his Composing style has taken a drastic change. Change is inevitable as time progresses. But the change he had taken is not catering to the current generations 'Taste' or 'Trend'. As a matter of fact 'No Artists creativity will degenerate by time' Listen to 'Vishwa thulasi' can anybody else other than MSV compose such honey soaked tunes? It is just that it did not hit the right chords for the current generation of consumers. Same is happening to Raaja too.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
Agreed to an extent: Somehow the projects he chooses are also duds and his great music is going down the drains. 'Uliyin Osai' is a case in point.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
I see 'Vanavilley' 'Khajuraho kanvilor' 'Ilankaathu veesuthey' or 'unnai vida' telecasted often in music channels. these songs were definitely decent hits and they are not from 'so many years' ago.
Normal Man,Quote:
Originally Posted by NormalMan
every artiste seeks to try something new and we know Kamal also does. Much has been written and spoken about ARR being the best composer around, AFTER ilaiyaraaja (well, generally people take the names MSV, IR and ARR in same order). Probably he felt like trying out. We must not forget that Kamal signed Ustad Zakir Hussain for his shelved "Marudhanayagam" and violin Maestro "L.Subramaniam" for Hey! Ram initially (that he came back to IR is a different issue, coz he had his reasons, whatever). and IR or SPB are not the only friends of Kamal. He rubs his shoulders with the likes of Maniratnam etc too. So, even they all must be having opinions/discussions around same subjects, much like we do here and probably Kamal felt convinced that ARR too could deliver it. Mind you, it is not about IR's inability to deliver or ARR's saleability alone. It could be genuine natural creative urge too, to collaborate and try and see. Afterall new things emerge out of such collaborations.I dont think we can find fault with Kamal. I am looking forward to Marmayogi's soundtrack.
i understand that we all feel sorry when Kamal doesnt take IR, but expecting the same combo, irrespective of good music, always is asking too much.They are entitled to creative freedom, of choice. We can only sit back and listen to good music, be it IR or ARR or anyone for that matter.
i partly agree and partly disagree too. i see it this way. IR gave outstanding, good and pathetic songs too way back in 80s. He is still doing the same, covering the whole spectrum of Brilliant to bad songs. Probably the degenrationou are sensing is more pronounced because IR is not working on quality 'films' and film-makers. Still, we dont know or cant predict when he can surprise with brilliant music (Uliyin Osai) and when he can let you down (Dhanam).Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
But yes, as you said, every artist goes through the low-high-normal phases.thats natural. and it happens not only in music, but in any field of art. afterall all human beings change. Yet, i still feel that IR can stun us anytime, even in crappy films. Thats the problem with him.We can predict His orchestration or layers or melodies (having studied IR's genius all these years) but we can never predict when he is going to give an outstanding score and when he can let you down. and that unpredictability will drive us to buy all his albums...so much that if he gives 20 bad scores continuously, i would still hope that the 21 st score could be good. Thats why we are hopelely addicted admirers of IR [:)]
I honestly don't see a 'degeneration'. If that has been the case, 'Uliyin Osai' would not have happened. As RS says, Raja has changed his style quite a bit but the inherent genius remains. I can vouch for the fact that I threw away lot of his tapes, including 'Adu Oru Kana Kalam', 'Manasinakkare', 'Ponmudipuzhayorathu', 'Kaliyoonjal' etc. Now I cannot have enough of them. I don't see any degeneration in his skills even in an album like 'Dhanam', which has been criticized here. I find lot of thought which has gone into 'Dhanam'. The songs may not be a hit with the masses but the ideas in the songs are not those of a man whose grey cells are degenerating.
In case of 'Virumandi' I am amazed by the music and I don't think anyone could have given better stuff. The big story is my fav as there are lovely rhythm changes in that. Can any music director even think of 'Nettiyile Pottuvai'? Guru (Malayalam) and 'Virumandi' have been two albums which I listen fairly regularly to try and understand how a master works.
.. and then the songs of 'Mallepoovu'. No great director, no great banner but look at the quality of songs. Everyone wants to convert him into a God and say that here is God, who turned into a statue after 1980s. The truth is Illayaraja is himself continuously evolving and giving newer music. That is why he is still spoken about. Looking for similar songs as the 80s is of no use since Illayaraja will not give them. He has moved beyond them. Maybe it is time for us also to move beyond and check the ideas in Illayaraja's later compositions. I can assure you I have found a wealth of music. I am sure if you search you will too.
S.Suresh
....and that does not tells us all! This is the inherent insecurity of a fan arising out their anguish that the person whom they adore is not adored by others. If you are disliking this phase of Raaja so be it! but to say his creativity has taken a plunge is preposterous. it can only mean that there are fans who had been going along the crowd (gumballa Govindha mathiri) and when the crowd has discarded him now feel alone in the dark (thaniya Govinda solla bayamairukku) :). Dont worry! I have crossed that phase and hope you too would cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
The basic question is whether you like the 'compositions' or not? the solution lies in the answer, if you dont like it why trying to play and impress others. If you really like it why care whether it is liked by others or not?
Iam having an ipod in which I have loaded more than 3000 songs of his and while travelling (Which I do often due to my job nature) play them in 'Shuffle' mode and never even once i have skipped a song. there is something in every single compositions of his, which springs as a surprise.
More later....
I would like people to listen to his 'Lovely Leela' from the Telugu movie 'Shambu'. RS had put up the link recently. You can download it from there. Where I first heard it casually I thought it was one more 'Raja synth'. Then I heard it carefully and as usual I was proved wrong. Listen to the song carefully. Observe what rhythm the base is playing and what rhythm the saxophone plays. There is seemingly no connection but everything connects up superbly !! Observe the beat and the instruments in the background during the charanam. It's crazy really. I had a tough time deciphering who is playing what and all the while everything is so seemlessly integrated. Mark of a genius and this is what I call fusion. Every instrument, music genre in the service of the song and not to just proclaim fusion !!
Let's not argue if this song is as good as his 80s hits. I am sure many people will pass a verdict against it but as RS says, listen to it with an open mind and you will find a brain ticking and ticking fast !!
Thanks for suggesting this song. It is a nice number. Just listened. very groovy. The bass work and synth-guitar usage is amazing. Infact, the tune and melody of the song is same as 80s IR, if you carefully notice. Only the instruments have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
This style resembles KR a bit ( Thevayillai from Ragasiyamai , amul baby from Vaanchinaathan, His kannada movie Hoo Anthiyaa) . Also the song Unnai kanom bothu from the Vinayan's movie .Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
Sambu is one of the best movie scores that i have come across..
Esp Bitta bombo and the song by Bhavatharani is cool !
Fully agree with you Ramki about Sambu. Love the album.
Does anyone (RS, Ramki) have the credits for the songs. (Singer and Lyricist?)
S.Suresh
I Have the ACD, will let you know later :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
First and foremost Kamalji would be still having a sigh of relief after the horrendous Dasavatharam miraculously recovered its investment and saved its producer.Kamalji is the only producer/director who openly,on record supported Ayya for the last few years when regular biggies of the industry deserted him.ARR was as big as he is when Kamalji came up with Hey Raam or Virumaandi.Where was the so called creative urge and hunt for the 'NEW' then.ARR had given him big hits in INDIAN , THENALI.Ayya was still his choice.There was a personal attempt from Kamalji to release HEY RAAMS bgm through SONY and later Saregama which didnt work out.There was heated discussions on the movies soundtrack with ADLABS executives when they were involved in the project.Everything changed when Rajkamal themselves became co-producers.This sudden aversion is definitely due to Kamaljis lack of confidence in the final product and his drastic attempt at ensuring box office returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
Release Confirmation of 'Manikantan geet Mala' as found in my mail just now
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Dear Customer,
Swamiye Saranam Aiyappa!
We are deeply grateful for your order of the album “Manikantan Geet Mala” a collaborative effort between Indiatales & music maestro Ilaiyaraaja. As you are aware the album was only sold online as a tribute to fans & devotees and to combat piracy. We are delighted with the response and have now finalized the launch / shipment date.
I was personally at the shrine on 17th October and met with the Head Priest and the Thantri. They rightly expressed that the first copy should be submitted to the Lord himself and the release too should take place from the shrine. They have fixed the first day of the temple opening for the new season ie: 15th November as the release date. The release will be from Sabrimala.
Consequently all shipments will happen simultaneously on 15th November. As a token of appreciation for your order and for the wait, Indiatales will include surprise free gifts with every pack.
Thank you once again and I look forward to your feedback after you hear the music.
Regards,
Nalin Singh
Managing Director
IndiaTales Media Pvt. Ltd.
+91 97406 22744
I dont see a reason why the creative urge or interest to collaborate cannot spring now, just becoz it did not spring up back then. The point i am trying to make is this - choosing ARR doesnt necessarily mean dumping IR once for all. Choosing ARR doesnt mean pure box-office returns, although that could be one more element but not the whole of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajaalltheway
"After a long gap, IR has signed up a Kannada movie titled "Prem Kahani".His last score was in hugely succesful Aa Dinagalu.Director is currently in chennai for recording of two of the songs.Incidently, this is Maestro's 876th movie".(source:Bangalore mirror)
Another new Malayalam movie by IR called "Alexander the Great" starring Mohanlal.
http://malayalam.galatta.com/enterta...eat_19439.html
I was hoping that it will be historical kind of movie, but its a comedy movie :(.
thanks,
Krishnan
What happened to the other 2 movies 'Sangoli Rayanna' & 'Nannavanu' :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rooky
Ithu mathiri 'usupethi usupethiyae odamba ranagalam aakki vechurukaingae' :lol:
raagas, I agree IR springs here and there some pleasant surprises which are very few and far between, these days, esp in the case of "ULiyin Oasai", where he came up with brilliant songs like "ethanai bhaavam undu" and "abinayam kaattugindra", in rare ragas like Rasikapriya, Ragavardhini . Many carnatic connoisseurs would concur these , with not many krithis in these ragas to boast about. My recent gripe are, haunting Female solos, nice , soft romantic duets [aka "then poove poove vaa" , "unnai kaanum neram " ] that were Raja's forte, that made me hopelessly weak kneed to his music are dwindling. After getting drunk in those heady late 70's and 80's Raja , I find it tough to come to terms with the neo synth-only Raja [ May be I need to tune myself] Iam not able to enjoy his latest duets with nursery rhyme like pallavi in "unakkuLLe irukindren" which gives a dejavu feel of "kajuraho" , or pathetic singing in immature voice of Bhavatharini in a decent song like "kannanukku enna vendum". I felt "Mallepoovu" to be an ordinary album with only the title song to my liking.
RS, u would go to any length to defend Raja musically. May be u are technically right , but those songs are 5 years old, long enuff for paradigm shift .
Suresh, I want my listening experience to be cosy and not a belaboured one and like I admitted already, the good old Raja has spoilt me. Blame him only :)
raagas, regarding kamal's choice of MD's , I give my benefit of doubt over his choice of ARR, but I have no doubts about his choosing likes of Himesh for Dasa or Deva for "Pammal K" etc going by his own statement in an interview "Himesh Hindila neraiya hits kudukkiraar , so... hehehe"
I agree with you. I too like IR's live instruments + synth combo rather than totally synth, no matter how good it is. well, fully synth songs might be intelligently done and we might enjoy but they dont leave an ever-lasting impact as such.i enjoyed 'Kannanukko enna vendum' a lot, but then, as you said, i am not that fascinated by Bhavatharini's voice, for i feel it lacks something, a sense of completeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
Personally, the IR which i would like to see now is exactly like the one in "Saara Yeh Aalam" (Shiva-2006). Awesome orchestration. brilliant sound texture. and when it comes to classical, Uliyin Osai was damn good. or for that matter even "Kannanukku enna vendum" (minus bhavatharini) or "Kaatril Varum Geethame" or "Mandhaa Poo" (Vinodha Yatra). These are the ones which showcase his talent.
Point taken, and agree too. but Dasa, Pammal K etc are meant to be commercial films and probably he is a total 'market' driven guy there. it happened before Hey! Ram too, when he took Deva for Avvai Shanmughi but for Hey! Ram, he went to L.Subramaniam and then to Ilaiyaraaja, because he wanted certain kind of class music there. After Hey! Ram, he used many composers for Pammal K, Panchathanthram, Abhay, etc but came to IR for Virumaandi, because he was directing it. and again for Mumbai Express too.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
The ultimate question now is: Is MarmaYogi a semi-art/semi-commercial film like Hey! Ram (MY is also said to be a period film)? Or is it one more market-hype driven commercial film like Dasa?
If it is the former, then did he choose ARR bcoz ARR delivered some good period scores in Iruvar, Lagaan, Bose etc?
If the film is another Dasa type of film, then lets not waste time on it :)
My only hope is that it should be a hey! Ram brand of film, since Kamal himself is directing it. But we cant say now!
For heavens sake listen to MANIKANTAN GEETMALA samples and decide if this great man degenerated,lacks motivation etc etc.If somebody at ur home rebuked u for listening to Uliyin Osai then they must be from Uranus,communicating using sign language and think a bit before using such words on record.If the songs lapped up by the masses belted out by the vijay or simbu or even rajni and kamal these days are the benchmarks Iam so glad Ayya is not in the rat race.'Himesh the hit machine' reminds me of the period Bappi Lahiri was preferred over Rahul Dev Burman...thats degeneration...of the listeners..Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
Thumburu,
I understand your feeling and I can assure you that I don't belabor to enjoy the songs. The truth is I enjoy most of the songs instinctively. Maybe in some songs Raja may have reduced the complexity based on the current needs. Even then the way he takes along the charanam in 'Unakulle' is very good. As I said, whenever I listen to his music, I do see a brain which is ticking.
I will concede that his 'hits' are fewer and most people would always point to his 80s hits and not to his 21st century compositions. Compared to other music directors his recent 'hits' have been lesser. My contention is while this his true, his music is not any lesser. I still remember my brother, who is not a great fan of anyone, listening to 'Kaiyetha' (Vinodayatra) in my car and after he went back to Hyd, called me and asked me to mail that song, saying that he hasn't heard such a good song in the recent past. That from a person who hears every new album which comes out !!!
Maybe blame it on Raja, I find most of the current music, however popular the MD and the song, not challenging enough. I have no choice but to listen to Raja !!
S.Suresh
Suresh
I also had the same feeling. The liking for mandarapoo and kaiyetha was instant.
In uliyin osai, it was only kallai irudaen...but reg dhanam and others i was forced to hear it again and again after seeing the posts of mayyam members but still i could not get convinced..
I dont know why i purchased these cds
Inime nangathan had a great song "Oru Murai"..out of the world song....so he infer that IR was really involved in that...For a person who gave ilamai idho ido..idu ellam jujubee :D
IR has not lost his magic but it is the directors who are nt able to get the best out of him...
And as per newspaper reports, Kannada version of Ajantha is among 10 Kannada movies that are complete and waiting for Theatres.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam