Carnatic Ragas in IR's Music

purv,

Prema Raaga Haadu Gelathi (Kannada) as well as ashwamedham (telugu)...Both i had purchased from PROJECT GEM.

You cud try it too.

Vel,

I don't think 'Mottu Vitta Mullai Kooda' is based on Charukesi raagam at all. I don't think the song even follows a raaga pattern! Nor is the song from Aruvadai Naal.

However, Aruvadai Naal does have one song that is based on Charukesi raagam, and it is called 'Chinna Ponnu Chinna Ponnu,' and yes, it must be a pathos song. It is sung by Malaysia Vasudevan and S Janaki. 'Mellaatha Mella Thottu' from the same film is an outstanding composition.

BTW, I heard both these songs at tamiltune.com.

yes raja was the first one to put in carnatic in film. he used carnatic as a tool to put in soul into his tunes. they were original. they are original even in the elangatru veesudhey in last years awarded movie's awarded music's the film PITHA MAGAN. ar rahman copies music. he copied mellisaye in Mr. Romeo from an interlude in the rakamma in thalapathi. many more like that.... rajais just too great. his songs has a tinge of carnatic to give the feeling in his number's in mel-isai. his every tune is different. unlike ar. ar's tune in enakku 18.... is very similar to udaya udaya... in udaya. maybe since udaya wasn't released 4 years, he put the tune in his other movie. but IR will nvr and most importantly DO Not Need to do that b'cause, he is a genius, just look at his port folio on the net what he has done other than film music, miss world1995/6 BGM, has any indian done that b4? he composed with RPO of UK,1st asian to do that. he';s just 22222 great

Pari, if you say that Raja was the first one to put carnatic in film, then you are living under a rock, man! There was plenty of Karnatik in THM before IR, from KVM, MSV, G Ramanathan, et cetera et cetera et cetera.


Anyway, to finish off my last posting, I also heard 'Oru Kaaviyam Arangetram Neram'. I didn't catch a single trace of Da2. Are you sure its raaga is Gowrimanohari and not Keeravaani?

I recently listened to 'shiva garuda' from Kochu kochu sandhoshangal. Cool piece. It's here:

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/20/s/movie_name.3386/

Guys, post more such non-TFM goodies of Raaja.

Hi rr,

Thanks for the help on migration of the thread.

Will listen to this piece and get back.

vel, glad to have you back. How is IR? :)

In 'shiv garuda', pay specific attention to the violin (which comes occassionally) and the finishing touch where vocals and percussion come together..

RR,

IR'aa (raja) pathi ennai visarikareengale...Or did you by any chance mention abt our old timer DFer IsaiRasigai?

Indha paatu mattum illa, i guess most of mallu numbers of IR seem to be of diffferent dimension, unlike tamil.

vel, I thought I saw your name is TiS effort, no? I was thinking you are not around because of that :)

!!! Enge paartheenga?

Here: http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/v...?p=65549#65549

Is this a different vel?

Yeah i got the chance of meeting Fr.Jegath of tamil maiyam as said in the link you posted.

But not IR :-)

And RR...

Yen innum latest ILAIYARAGAM file upload pannale (in TFMPage) ?

Oops.. it had gone into my spam folder. I've uploaded it.

BTW, can you post links to some good non-tamil ragabased songs of IR?

Thanks RR...

PURV wud be able to help u better.

I listened to 'Raagam azhaithu vandha geetham' (kanmani oru kavithai). Great song! You've listed it as 'darbaari'. The chitra part is definitely darbaari. But what about the starting Bombay Jayshri part? Is it not Jog-ish?

Hi Vel. I have some breaking news for you. The song 'Veenaikku Veenai Kunju' is NOT based on Kosalam raagam. How do I know? I have heard a krithi by TN Seshagopalan in Kosala raagam. It is a raaga where emphasis is given to the uttaranga swaras (p d2 n3 S) more so than the poorvanga swaras (s r3 g3 m2). Thus, the bhavam of 'Veenaikku Veenai' does not agree with the bhavam of the said raaga. The song seems to follow the Vakhulabharanam scale. Notice I only said scale. I think that if this were to be called a raaga, it would have to be Ahiri.

The other two songs you said were based on Kosalam are also erratic assumptions. Maybe you meant Ahiri-based? I'm not sure that the said songs are pure Ahiri. Hope this is helpful.


Regards,
Nitya

I will listen to some krithis and thendecide.

RR, adikka varaadheenga, but i am not able to get hold of the song, i listened quite a long time ago.

vel :) It's on musicindiaonline..

RR, i have given this a thought, and there is no doubt that there is more of jog (thilang too?), and in fact, i start to see less and less of darbari.

Purv, since there has been so much of doubts regarding kosalam - i am keeping these two songs as keeravani for the time being...

Dear all - one of the ilaiyaragam group members, sriram, had earlier contended that "enakku piditha padal" was jonpuri and not dharbari kanada. Usage wise, i think the scale used is in fact jonpuri [s r2 m1 p d1 n2 sa, sa n2 d1 p m1 g2 r2 s], though it may lack the characteristic phrases of the raga (like ni2 ri2 g2 ri2 g2).

However, i think 'engengu nee sendra podhum' from ninaikka therindha manamae is a more precise jonpuri.

Vel..
I just wanted to know ur review on IR's thiruvasagom album. If u have posted already pls cut and paste.
innum "Kothumbi" and " Putril vaazh" paadalgalin excitement il irundhu velivarave illai. Indha album vaangiyadhu mudhal orae IR sindhanaigall dhaan. kadandha 2 vaarangalaaga oyaamal veettil IR olithukondae irukkiraar.

Rajesh,

TIS pathi discuss vena pannalam...Review ellam ezhudha enakku arivu pathaadhu...Venum'na, angae ingae konjam ragam usage pathi sollalam...

But we will never in our lifetime, be able to decipher the plot of this musical narration by IR.

Too much ahead of its times.

Have been following the artciles being posted by CSR in ILAIYARAGAM yahoo groups?

Regarding the ragas

Poovar senni mannan - sindhu bhairavi

Polla vinaiyaen - multiple raga usages - refer CSR's write up in ILAIYARAGAM yahoo groups

Pooeru Konum - sudhadhanyasi + samudrapriya/sumanesaranjani -back to sudhadhanyasi

UmbagartKarasae - multiple raga usages - refer CSR's write up in ILAIYARAGAM yahoo groups

Muthunatraamam - Sarasangi

Purtril Vaazh - prelude humming in maand, first 2 para - shankarabharanam, then to thilang, charukesi, natabhairavi and then kaapi - back to shankarabharanam of course.

RR,

Do you have the scale details for saranga tharangini?

Also, what scale is sindhuramakriya? Thanks to Vinu for pointing me towards this composition of IR in this raga.

vel,
sorry for the delay in responding. Thanks for the raga usage in TIS.
I am so happy that, my musical friends here in trivandrum are in high praise for the TIS work, and many of the people who know music are keen in hearing to it, I think by word of mouth, TIS would definitely be a commercial success too.
One of my friend, who is not aware of IR's works, but a qualified musician and a spiritually inclined person, says, " Whenever I hear this music, it just make me to hear it again and again, the more u hear to it, the more u want from it. It is like a meditation-like experience. Eventhough I do not know the meaning of the words, the words have some magnetic attraction."
I was so happy hear these unbiased words from a person, who cant understand the language in which it is sung. He even asked me to write the lyrics to him in malayalam.
His favorite is " Pollaa vinayae.."
thanks vel. I will visit ur ilaiyaraagam and respond later. thanks a lot.

Vel According to Karnatik.com

sindu raamakriyaa

15 maayamaaLava gowLa janya
Aa: S G3 M1 P D1 N3 S
Av: S N3 P M1 G3 R1 G3 S
Please visit, http://www.karnatik.com/
http://www.karnatik.com/c2871.shtml


Can you add these two awesome songs 'ponnil vaanam...'- Janaki - Villuppattukkaran & 'Kaathirundhen ....'-Dharmapathini to your raga site?

Thanks Vinu

Ponnil vaanam - already irukumae??

I will revert on that dharmapathini song.

baroque

Kathirundhaen is a lovely bageshri isnt it !! Thanks for pointing it

reviving the thread

Vel,

any new song(s) you have in mind to discuss?

RR, not new - but quite a old one - i was wondering about the song by vani jairam starting "manmadha raagangalae" - see http://www.dhool.com/sotd2/711.html

Enna ragam idhu - seems to start off with a panthuvarali touch and later to vasantha? or hamsanandhi? Your views?

Hi Friend,

This is Ravi. I read your blog. You have done a wonderful job. But I have a small suggestion. I saw the song malargalil aadum was listed under shudha saveri. Actually this composition has a great mystery behind it. The song is actually in Mohanam. Please read my blog to understand it better.

http://ravikumarv.wordpress.com/2011...l-bit-of-that/

Thanks