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Originally Posted by sanjay
epporuL yAr yAr vAik kEtpinum - apporuL
meypporuL kANbathaRivu
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Originally Posted by sanjay
epporuL yAr yAr vAik kEtpinum - apporuL
meypporuL kANbathaRivu
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Originally Posted by viggop
Rishi Uttunk,was about to curse Lord Krishna ,as the rishi got angry by the fact the lord being able to stop the war did not, Rishi being a great scholar, forgot about the truth for split second and became controlled by human emotions like ego and anger, due to this he forgot about the 'Maya' concept and that the Lord is standing infron of him, and he was about to curse, but Lord Krishna explains about dharma, karama and destiny, the rishi realised his false ego and surrendered unto the lord, and he asks the lord, he wishes see the Vishvaroopa of Lord Vishnu that Arjuna once enjoyed. The lord agrees to this and shows his Vishvaroopa and asks the Rishi, if he wishes anything for him. The Rishi replied, I want water for the community as the were was extreme water shortage, so lord grants him the boon and departs.
But the lord wanted to play a little trick on the Rishi, as he knew that Rishi Uttung was still under the influence of maya, as he often had false ego. So Lord Krishna asks Indran to disguise him self as a dirty old man and take some water to the rishi, so indran went with water, but the rishi would not even look upon his face as the rishi only saw the dirty perishable maya body of this atma, Rishi refuses to drink the water,and virtually chase the dirty man, suddenly he realised his false ego and his attachment to maya ,and begs mercy from Lord Krishna and lord Krishna forgives him and remove the maya from the rishi's mind and continues the journey back to dwaraka, there is another meaning will encounter with Balram in dwaraka, ..to be continued
Continuing....
Lord Krishna arrives at Dwaraka, he has been greeted with a tremendous reception by Balram, as Balram runs towards the lord Krishna to hug him, Lord Krishna has been confronted by yet again by some demon, Balram confronted the demons and killed the demon (NOTE, THE DEMONS DID NOT HAVE ANY WEAPONS, when they were killed)
This was a trick played by Lord Krsihna, to teach Balram anna a lesson.
Remember How Balram was annoyed and was fuming by the fact that Bhima killed an unarmed Duryodhana, Balram has done exactly the same thing, which Bhima has done before.
Ok, here is the tricky bit, was there any dharma in Balram's and bhima's act, regardless of the fact that their opponent was devil, evil, ...etc?
"Raghu"
// Remember How Balram was annoyed and was fuming by the fact that
.... "Bhima killed an.... "unarmed"... Duryodhana" //
It is NOT CORRECT to say that Krishna wanted a War.. and so he machinised towards such a mass-Disaster by weaponry.
In fact Krishna tried his level best to bring out an amicable settlement... but failed..
.. On which Balarama too had to cut a sorry figure before Krishna... accepting his failure.. in spite of His Greater Voice on both sides.... especially with Kauravas... including the King Dhrithrashtra.
Krishna... as a last endeavour to avoid war...asked one by one of Pandavas and finally Draupadi... to suggest the suitable way to AVOID WAR...
Each one said different ideas ... suggesting to AVOID war...
... except... three... Arjuna, Bheema and Draupathi... FAVOURING WAR...
Yudhistra tried to convince them.. but miserably all failed... and had to put down his face .. on...
... the HOT WORDS OF DRAUPADI... that all because of him ... and no more COWARDICE..
And also...It is NOT CORRECT to say that Duryodana was UNARMED ...while he was hit by Bheema.
Two important factors ... we have to note here.
(1) It was the Conventional practice... by Yuddha Dharma...
... that at the last stages... after tiring the Enemy by series of Offensive attacks... (similar to initiation of a Game with Fast-bowling ... to be followed by Spin-Bowling)...
... the Next step used to be ...to weaken the enemy one after another... by eliminating his supports and allied strengths... like... losing his Chariot, Crown... his Defence-arms... then his Bow or some such weapon... with which... the combat is conducted...
... Finally making him a NIRAAYUDHA-PAANI (Armless)... as a Silent-Gesture of challenge...
... "Oh my Enemy... I have slashed down all your supporting strengths... Now Tell me are you going to continue the Fight... or accept the DEFEAT... and Surrender ... or RUN-AWAY... exhibiting your gesture...
... that you are accepting the Defeat to-day... but will come back next day fully armed to fight with greater Strength...
... while such a gesture of CHALLENGE from a defeated Enemy... may be accepted by the opponent... or Not.. since left to the Victor's discretion.
... But without conveying any message by any sort of gesture... but tries to retain back his strengths... or by any sort of Restoration or Revival...
... AT THE BATTLEFIELD... it is a challenge... which will be countered by the opponent... even though the Enemy be UNARMED..
... Since the Purpose of War itself... is either to DEFEAT OR ELIMINATE the opponent....
there is No place for Mercy or Sympathy or Humanitarian-spirit in the War-field.
that is the Reason... wars are always eschewed, avoided and averted by Wise people.
That is why Bheeshma could not defend in favour of his side... on the criticism of Duryodana...
... about the attack by Arjuna on Karna as well as by Bheema on Duryodana.
(2) During Bheema-Duryodana Fight...Why Krishna waited until last ...
... and SUDDENLY INTERFERED... at what Stage?... Why Then?
if Krishna would not have interfered...
Duryodana's last moment CHEATING Bheema... would have lead to the
... UNJUST... DEFEAT AND DEATH of Bheema... as innocent VICTIM...
.. of Duryodana's FINAL ATTEMPT... Cowardice FOWL-GAME. What was it ?
Dear Sudhama sir thanks for the perfect explanation.
I have question for you, Lord Krishna & Arjuna goes on a pilgrimage to calash to do a thalami to wards the PARAMATHAMA Maha Iswar and get a boon (Weapon) to slay one warrior, This warrior had been granted a boon by Parama Iswar that he will be immortal (except on some condition), Gadotkaja goes to inform Duryodhana in his military camp, that Lord Krishna & Arjuna have gone to Kailash to get a boon from Maha Iswar to slay this warrior? Duryodhana laughed at Gadotkaja, insulted him and sent Gadotkaja back.
In the next day, during the battle, lord krishna plays a trick yet again, he turns day into night using his sudharsana chakaram, so Duryodhana & this other warrior were overjoyed by the fact, that Arjuna could not kill this warrior, out of this excitement, Duryodhana tells this warrior to come out of hiding and he does, and when he does Lord Krishna instructs Arjuna to shoot the arrow (Boon from Maha Iswar) at this warrior and carry his head towards his father and drop it on his hands/laps, so Arjuna does this. And the warrior's father blows into pieces.
who was this warrior? Was it King Jeyatrada? :?
Raghu
I think it was jayatrada.This king got a boon from Shiva that he should be able to keep at bay other pandavas except Arjuna for 1 day in a battle.he does this successfully when Abhimanyu is inside the chakravyuham and other pandavas cannot save abhimanyu.So, Arjuna vows to kill jayatrada or kill himself by next day evening if he cannot succeed in killing jayadratha.
When kaurava camp comes to know this vow of arjuna,they try their best to protect jayatrada from hands of arjuna and succeed till Lord Krishna steps in and does the trick of causing the eclipse.
There is one interesting thing here.There was another eclipse just before the war and Krishna causes this brief eclipse during the war.this has been used by some scholars to find out the date of mahabharatha.When in astrological history did 2 eclipses occur within few days of each other(i dont know the excat date difference). Since,this can be scientifically determined,some people tried to find the date of the mahabharatha war using this information in the epic
Oh yes, I remeber this from the Tamil Film Karnan, when two rishis are chanting vedic mantras along the river side, Duryodhana approaches shakadeva to ask a date to commence the war in which Victory will be for them, here Lord Krishna plays a trick for the eclipse to occurQuote:
Originally Posted by viggop
My Dear Mr. Raghu,
One Request... Please read this Thread... right from the Beginning... as if you are A STRANGER reading for the first time.
Please tell me then... what you feel... about this Thread-matter you have made...
Do you find it interesting to read continuously... as the Topic on ONE SUBJECT.?
Don't you find it ..... as simply a BEGGAR'S SHIRT... without any Cogency or Continuity... or Mutual- Relevance...my dear Friend?
Jumping here and there... HAPHAZARDLY... AT RANDOM.. What is this CONGLOMERATION ?...
(Sorry for my BLUNT AND OPEN-CRITICISM... although with a healthy Intention as YOUR WELL-WISHER....(Repeat: "Your Well-wisher"))
Dear Mr. Raghu,...Is this a... THINNAI-PAECHU... or ... OOR- VAMBU- MADAM .. or Thunhukku- Thoranham... or REALLY a WORTHY FORUM?
Sorry to say... You are LEADING OTHERS also ... in your peculiar way of Scattered- presentation to the VIEWERS.... making them MAD
You are discussing about Karna... in the midway you leave him in the lurch and jump to Balarama... then that too left half-done... then over to Bheema... left incomplete... and then Krishna & Eclipse.. left midway ... then Lord Parameshwar... Ohm Nama-Sivaaya !!!! !!! !!!! !!!! !!! !!! !!!
In spite of my SPECIFIC REQUEST.?.... Pinpointing this Lacunae...
... in this BEAUTIFUL FORUM you have rightly started and WELL- PARTICIPATED by several Hubbers...
... in a VERY INTERESTING MANNER.... by individual post ONLY...
I have raised some questions ... at several places... wherever you have DRAGGED ME...
... and I am waiting for your REPLIES... from one and all the Hubber- participants...
... thus it will become INTERESTING in all respects.. ENSURING COGENCY.
After which I will Reply to those Questions I had raised ... on Karna, Krishna.. Duryodana... and so on.
I hope You or others will not mistake me... but will take in a HEALTHY- SPIRIT.
Dear Sudhama
Thank you very much for your not so NICE words, I am very serious about this, you will have to accept that my knowledge on this subject is very limited unlike your broad knowledge, I am just answering questions and postings bits from the greatest epic, It will be imposible for me to start the mahabharath story from the begining to end, perhaps you should write that, so all of us can learn from it, I just post my questions here for which I don't know the answers.
I seriously started this topic on an INNOCENt thought, well if you have been offended by this, then I am terribly sorry, as that was never the intention.
thanks