vijay sir, leave mr.*.....for him ARR is lesser than RDB and IR.....so be it......who cares.....i dunt how he will react if i expose the copy-cat side of RDB......RDB was the biggest copy cat of HFM , bigger than anu malik......
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vijay sir, leave mr.*.....for him ARR is lesser than RDB and IR.....so be it......who cares.....i dunt how he will react if i expose the copy-cat side of RDB......RDB was the biggest copy cat of HFM , bigger than anu malik......
Spanish and south american tunes are very common in RDB, but that doesnt mean RDB was worst or anything. If you forget about all the my vs your MD wars, then RDB, IR and ARR represent the music of india. RDB and IR, being on the same period, had a mutual respect for each other. "Pancham", people normally call him as, is a very great admirer of IR. He once said "with IR, TFM is 20 years ahead of HFM". If ARR doesnt go to HFM, then by now HFM would be 40 years behind TFM. If RDB wasnt there, HFM would be 60 years behing TFM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Definitely RDB would get a good response. I have seen more "loyal" "ta"mi"l" people buying RDB than IR/ARR combined, specially people from "madras".Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
echoose me, now YOU are copying me! I was the first to point out RDB's copies. But to be fair to the man, his copies were very very mild variations from hindustani classical, unlike ARR who lifted lock, stock and barrel from western stuff in his early days. And consider the number of RDB originals which were blockbuster hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
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Originally Posted by MADDY
A guy of RDB's output cannot be put down easily, therefore I will use a superlative abuse to bring him below my icon.
Now why should RDB make a foray into tfm when his HFM is reverberating across the country? (Let me reiterate that I am no way questioning ARR's ability, I appreciate him for doing what no tfm composer has done. What peeves me is ARR fans imbecile remark that he ruled HFM). I still remember his Sholay, Abhimaan, Hum Kisise Kum Nahin, Yaadon Ki Baarat belted out in my neighborhood in TN in the very early 80s - this despite IR and MSV being at their peak and the aforementioned albums released in mid 70s)Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
Atleast RDB was the sole reason for the success of Rajesh Khanna, Sanjeev Kumar, Big B to some extent, Dharmendra, Rishi Kapoor, Randhir Kapoor....IR carried Sivakumar, Ramarajan, Mohan, Rajkiran on his shoulders...what does ARR have apart from Prabhu Deva(To compare Prabhu with those actors is a grave injustice - he would have carried himself with his dancing talent with any music director considering the trend in the 90s).
And finally, please tell me why evergreen hits like Lekar hum deewana Dil, Piya tu ab to aa jaa, and 100s more are still hot remixes even today. There are several bars and discos in N.I where RDB hits are a rage. Go to any music shop, check the Hindi section and you will find 100s of hit CDs housing 100s of songs of Kishore, Asha and Lata.....please compare with the effect of ARR, it will surely be humiliating to make such tall claims for our man.
mr*,for u, all RDB hits are ever-green, but for me rangeela,taal and swades are ever-green.......for that matter SDB's songs are less remixed and listened to today, does it mean that RDB was gr8er than SDB??? khatarnak logic yaar, continue....
and excuse(this is the way it shuld be written) me , RDB's hindi songs were heard in TN but there were crowds of ppl. who bought ARR's Tamil albums in the north......now wat do u say for this????
many ppl. have tried to prove that ARR copied western tunes, they have all bitten the dust, so dunt waste ur time......
see, i'm not saying ARR was a bigger entity than RDB in HFM but ARR's entry and the subsequent craze wave in the north are undeniable......he has changed the way songs sound forever.....i think ARR in every right deserves to be called a trendsetter and a legend in HFM.....i dunt think u'll agree but i'm pretty sure, u do realise ARR's achievement......
RDB's heavy spanish/south american inspirations makes it easy for anyone to remix his songs. In general, if somone can remix your music, that means there is a chance for improvement. Many attempted to remix IR and out of 4000+ songs, only few songs (less than 10) succeeded. To some extend ARR songs also are difficult to remix. Ofcourse songs by VS & few other songs are also are difficult, because the initial cut itself sounds like a remix.Quote:
Originally Posted by *
Only ARR can do remix of his own songs (e.g. Marangothiye and Mayilirage from Aa Aah) and only IR can do his own remix (e.g. Kaatrinil varum geethamae - the classical version and a remix version from ONOK).
Mr*, ARR has had a bigger impact with lesser albums in HFM, thats my point. It took him just 4 or 5 HFM albums to kind of have the impact that would have taken RDB 20 or 30 albums to get done in those days. No, I am not with those who say he "ruled" HFM but he did have a significant impact with just a handful of albums (similiar to the TFM wave). And in recent years, many prestigious and big budget projects in HFM have gone his way. That in itself is an achievment.
As for RDB, his songs are easily hummable(what with many of his popular hits like Chura liya, Mehbooba being pukka lifts from western numbers), catchy and that makes them ideal candidates for remixes. Add to the fact that the "kezhavi" Asha Bhonsle is still around singing those numbers at every chance she gets on stage :-) Rahman needed to make a foray into HFM as we all know those guys wont listen to anything much from the South, however good it is, while we in Bangalore and Chennai listen to Hindi songs all the time. Thats another topic to rant about some day.
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vijayr, without going into who ruled and who didnt rule or who has more merit as a composer, were you around when RD was making those waves? You have some measurement scale that measures the waves made by ARR and RDB respectively in their times? What is this 4 vs 20 impact argument? As a research scholar, do you think this argument holds any sense or backup statistics except as a makeweight against fan-club members who speak no logic?
I think, in your eagerness to put down ARR-bashers(a laudable objective in its own place), you go overboard making some laughable comments.
Lastly, I am not questioning your judgement or argument - so please dont go about justifying how RD made less impact - the only thing I find funny is that you would make definitive judgements on the distant past without even having been there or seen what has happened - comparing it with the recent past which you have actually lived through so you have seen the impact of it does sound ridiculous, doesnt it to you?
For example, I fully agree with you when you say RDB's success can be attributable to his simple tunes and also the lifts might be true. But what makes you say with 100% conviction about the impact he made on that generation? How did you measure it in comparison with ARR's impact on another generation?