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MrJudge - there is no point, IMHO, on the part of IR fans to remain constantly in a self-denial mode
It doesnt matter how ARR won the award - what matters is he was/is ambitious and works towards his ambition with a single-minded determination - and he is reaping the benefits of those efforts
You and I may not like his style of composing, but ppl like it and today he is popular throughout India and slowly increased his popularity across the world as well
AM not discussing the merits of ARR as a composer - thats beyond the purview here - what matters is even if there was someone a 1000 times as talented as IR, if that person does not make any effort whatsoever, or is not ambitious to get awards, he is not going to get it!
whichever you look at it, thats the way the world is - IR is musically very ambitious, but when it comes to reputationn et al, he is not
We have to live with it - why would this man devote his life-time ambitious project TiS to a non-entity like Fr.Gasper ?? what prevented him from joining hands with someone like Bharat Bala ?? had ARR handled a TiS-like project, he wud have taken it to unimaginable heights - not interms of quality, but in terms of the product reaching the max no of people with fanfare et al -so whose fault is it ?
True, any tom, *ick and harry with any english director, stands a good chance of winning any award in the future ?? whats wrong with it ? thats the way things have always worked
When Randy Newman contested with Vangelis for the Oscars the latter won for CHARIOTS OF FIRE! even today in the US, there are many who are not happy with it - thats the way it is
OTOH, as an IR fan let me ask you, in the last 5 years, how many times have IR fans bought original CDs of IR's releases ? i mean those that were actually available and could have been purchased, and yet, many decided to download the same from dubious sites and there are sites that shamelessly still maintain his tracks/albums!
I understand that one of the main criteria for awards like Oscars, is the record of no of CDs/albums sold! popularity is the key component - how many CDs of IR's have been sold in the last 5-6 years compared to ARR's ? do we have a statistic to prove the actual number ?? even IR does not care about his albums once they are released, at least gives such an impression
IR gave a stunning album filled with Jazz in Mumbai XPress in 2005 - today I cannot get hold of even one COPY of MX online or elsewhere - why ? coz, Kamal and IR badly mismanaged the CD production of MX - whose fault is this ??
Being a prodigiously talented genius is one thing, but being unprofessional, completely oblivious to whats happening to ones own creations is another - cant IR hire a decent professional management team to manage his projects ?? he can but he wont! why ? only his creator knows
Did ARR or his fans or the present Oscar/Grammy committee prevent IR from releasing his much-publicised SYMPHONY of 1993 ?? we dont even know for sure if such a Symphony actually exists or not!! in 1993-1994, IR took all the credit for a work which he didnt not even show to the world - I still remember an interview in 1994, when asked about the symphony, IR said 'it will never come out'! what the heck ??? while at least ARR is getting credit for something that everyone could actually hear!
he wont DO a single thing thats required of present times, but fans like us want him to be awarded bigtime - how is it going to happen ??
so, IMO instead of cribbing about someone else's success (howsoever it might have been achieved), if we ask the above questions, it will dawn on us that if IR did not manage an award of significance, thats his OWN CHOICE! we dont even have the right to find fault in it
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Who is this man who is an ardent fan of IR and close to Mani Ratnam ?
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/02/27/s...2751240400.htm
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He is a film critic of Kannada films in Hindu. He was the one who earlier wrote about going with Myskin for Nandala shoot and later also wrote about recording done by Illayaraja. He had ended that article with "If music is a religion, Illayaraja is GOD".
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sures , without seeing that link, let me guess - is that Shivakumar?
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irir123, agree with you on not belittling Rahman's achievement and the lack of business sense of Raja and his groupies. I still dont understand why Rahman has to be downgraded to appreciate Raja. Sari, adhu avanga avanga ishtam.
It is frustrating when you cant get a original CD anywhere -even a Naan Kadavul, 1 week after release, cant be found in Mumbai. I mean, forget US. This is India, man. I havent still heard Nandhalala. Had to postpone a Chennai trip and that means I cant hear NL until then.
Any Tom, Dick and Harry cannot win an Oscar when he scores for an 'English' director - this is so obvious that I dont need to repudiate this :-)
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irir123: You spoke my mind. I guess.. we need to stop with one sentence..IR is a musical genius...that is it
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Rahman says "IR is bigger than Oscars "
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...ar-rahman.html
சரியான முறையி்ல் அவரது இசை எடுத்துச் செல்லப்பட்டிருந்தால் எப்போதோ அவர் ஆஸ்கர் விருதினை வென்றிருப்பார் என்று புகழாரம் சூட்டினார்.
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raja_fan,
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...-coverage.html
Full interview is here!
...And also I noticed there is a opinion poll on who is the best composer in tamil. I wanted to see how the trend is and voted for Raaja and saw that Raaja leads by a huge margin :lol: Nammalunga ellam oscar'e vaangittu vanthaalum ARR'a vida Raaja thaan best'nnu vote podraanga, ithu pothum thalaivarukku :notworthy:
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Rajasaranam,
Where is the opinion poll ?
If it is in thatstamil, that cannot be trusted !
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Also did any English media report what ARR said about IR ?
