It starts like EN MAPPILAIKU .... goes on ... and ends like MUTHAADA MUTHAADA AASAI VARUM .. or something like that .. MGR will sing that to his sister's new born son ... (Who grows up to become Bagyaraj) .... :D
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It starts like EN MAPPILAIKU .... goes on ... and ends like MUTHAADA MUTHAADA AASAI VARUM .. or something like that .. MGR will sing that to his sister's new born son ... (Who grows up to become Bagyaraj) .... :D
I could have listened to the song. But not even remembering a line. I saw that movie long ago. Never listened to the songs of that movie after that
All 3 MGR movies directed by sridhar are taken during important period of MGR political carrier.
In Urimaikural ,MGR wore DMK veshti througout the movie..In the movie ,there was a misunderstanding between MGR's brother and MGR ..Though the dialogues and songs based on the story ,it also fit for the political climate then.
In the song "Oru thaai vayitril vantha udanpirappil konjam pirivu vanthaal pinpu Uravu varum..nalla manitharukkum nanri maranthavarkkum munpu uravirunthaal pinpu pirivu varum"..through out the song ,it double meaning fit for both story and politics indiretly..In one scene MGR says "Udanpirappu entra intha peyarai Ilappathai ennaal ninaiththu kooda paarkka mudiyavillai",certainly had double meaning.
Sridhar's second movie 'Meenava nanban' was in production during MGR 's ADMK contesting for TN assembly election..Before the movie completed ,MGR became CM and he helped to complete some scenes pending in the last min before he sworn in as CM .
During the song "Neerukku neraai varattum nenjil thunivirunthaal" ..when the line 'Annanin paathayil vetriye kaanalaam" ,we can see ADMK flag behind MGR.
In 'Anna nee in deivam' ,in the song I mentioned earlier 'Nee ninachathum" ,though it is a duet ,it has some lines related to politics.
Bay thampi,Quote:
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
excellent..This is another song from original..these two songs composed by MSV ,other songs composed by Bagyaraj
Nice analysis Joe Anna !!! Pls also tell me if Meenava Nanban and MMSP were hits or flops ... TM, pls dont see this post !! :P :PQuote:
Originally Posted by joe
I corrected my mistake ,It should be Sridhar instead of MGR.Quote:
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Meenava Nanban was hit ,whereas MMSP was a Flop.
Cool .. Thanks !! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by joe
Joe,
One small correction regarding your post. Urimaikural was released after ADMK was born.See MGR suspended from DMK on Oct 10 th of 1972, launches ADMK on Oct 17th of 1972. Urimaikural was released in Nov 1974, a clear 2 years after his exit from DMK. Regarding DMK border veshti, though it will look like black & red,there will be a white streak in between. This was also the movie from which MGR started to wear Andhra style of Veshti. Infact UK was itself a remake of Telugu "Dashara Pulludu". In the song you have mentioned,he will sing in the saranam like this,
Kannai Maraikindra Kaalam Varumpothu
Dharmam Veliyeralam; Dharmam Arasalum
Tharunam Varumpothu
Thavaru Veliyeralam
Nallavar Latchiyam
Velvathu Nichyam
Anna andru Sonnar; Endrum
Athuthan Sathiyam
See how he explains his ouster. Another info about Vizhiyae was the song was shot in a normal way in the sands and near the river.Since the situation was also pathos, the picturisation was like this. When the movie was complete,MGR saw the movie and was upset. He felt there is nothing in the movie for his fans. He insisted on a dream song. There was not much time left as release date was announced and Sridhar didn't know what to do. MGR asked him to redo the Vizhiyae song as dream song and sets were erected immediately and the song was shot in 3 days. That's why the BG music for the song is different in the movie version when compared to the Audio record version which was released earlier. You can also see the earlier picturised version's begining and end portion mixed with the dream scene. Another info about this song is, it was actually written by Kannadasan.MGR and Kannadasan were at loggerheads and Sridhar for sentimental reasons wanted KD to penn atleast one song. In the records, the credit for the lyric was given to Vaali.When MGR heard the song ( In a rare gesture, he had given Sridhar the liberty to finalise the song without his presence) he immediately told Sridhar that this not Vaali, it should be KD. Sridhar accepted and in the susequent audio records, the error was corrected.
Regards
PS:It is another irony that Sridhar who braved even MGR to include atleast one KD song went after Vaali/IR combo in Ilamai Oonjaladukirathu later even when KD was alive.
Murali,
Thanks for the info,but still I have a doubt ,since I keenly watched if it all any white in between black and red..I couldn't find one..The dialogues also seems like MGR's osillation in DMK ,as I mentioned the dialogue of 'Udanpirappu',so I thought MGR was still in DMK during the production of this movie..Anyway,I need to verify again.
You are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murali Srinivas
You did a brilliant analysis Murali :)
how abt the success of .G.R movies after he resigned from D.M.K
These are the moviesQuote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
118) 1973 Ulagam Sutrum Valiban -Mega Hit
119) 1973 Pattikattu Ponnaiya -Average
120) 1974 Netru Intru Nalai -Average
121) 1974 Urimaikkural -Hit
122) 1974 Sirithu Vazhavendum -Average
123) 1975 Ninaithathai Mudipavan -?
124) 1975 Naalai Namathe -Hit
125) 1975 Idaya Kani -Hit
126) 1975 Pallandu Vazhga -Average
127) 1976 Neethikku Thalaivanangu -?
128) 1976 Uzhaikkum Karangal -Hit
129) 1976 Oorukku Uzhaippavan -?
130) 1977 Navaratnam -Flop (guess)
131) 1977 Intru Pol Entrum Vazhga -?
132) 1977 Meenava Nanban -Hit
133) 1978 Madurai Meeta Sundrapandian -Flop
joe..im asking abt the success!
how many of them are hits!
Pls chk againQuote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
thanks joe!
but i feel during that perion shivaji overtook M.G.R in cine field!
or rajni-kamal combination took over the cine field?
In my opnion till MGR in the field ,both sivaji and MGR are in the same level ..nobody over took others.Quote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
After MGR quit ,Sivaji still dominated until late 70's .After than Rajini -kamal started to rule!
Regarding the movies in that period,
Naetru Indru Naalai was a flop - Probably one of the few movies of MGR ended in loss. Producer -- Asokan
Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban -- Came after lots of difficulties, was a smash hit all across the Tamil nadu.
Idayakani - Mega hit, Ran for around 17 weeks in Satyam Theatre Chennai. A record i think during that period.
Madurayai Meeta Sundara Pandiyan -- Average. It ran for 100 days in chennai. However they could not make much profit as it was a hight budget movie.
The rest are fine in the list by Joe. The question marked movies are average.
Joe and Murali Srinivas
Wherever you both are present ....... great memory !
Thirumaran
I think Netru indru naalai was a success only but Asokan suffered a lot financially . somehow managed to recover his investment
BUT THE SONGS ARE TERRIFIC
Oh. Ok. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Yes the movie had great songs.
Paadum boathu naan thendral kaatru,
Paruva Mangayo thennan geetru 8-)
Thirumaran
you have picked the best of the lot Paadumbodhu naan .
Its from SPB ! solo
there are other lovely songs :
1. Nee ennenna sonaalum kavidhay
2. Naan padithen kanjiyilay ( kolgai parappu paadal )
3. Angay varuvadhu yaaro
4. Innoru vaanam
Yes Balaji.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Nee ennanna Sonnaalum Kavithai,
Unnai engengu thotaalum inimai..
Is also a wonderful song. Actually i was not sure abt the movie of this song..
Then again,
Thambi,
Naan Padithaen Kaachiyilae naetru,
Athai Naan unakku solltumaa indru..
Endrum Nallavarku vaazhvu varaum naalai..
Ithu arignar anna ezhuthi vaitha Oalai..
that was also a wonderful song. :D
The other songs i could not recollect :(
Thirumaran
even in this movie also there were punch dialogues on Mukaa and his governance
somebody will ask him enna kanakku ellam sariyaa irukka ?
In this movie MG acts as a scavenger from a downtrodden society and brings them up successfully !
MG movies always had a positive end ( also starting with a positive beginning mostly )
:PQuote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
The positive thinking was one of the main reason for MGR's Popularity. Always have some social message either though the movie or atleast in one song.
No Smoking or boosing. No offense against ladies or handicapped.
Probably the only movie he came like a drunkard was Oli vilakku.
Dairiya maaga sol nee manithan thaanaa
:)
[quote="Thirumaran"]This has the line which used by people against Mu Kaa still....Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Makkal nalam makkal nalam endrey solluvaar.....
Than makkal nalam ondrey thaan manathil koLLuvaar.......
and.....
Oru naal intha nilamaikkellaam maaruthal varum
Antha maaruthalay seithu vaikka THEIRUTHAL(election) varum..
I think Vaali penned this song.... :thumbsup:
Yes Surya..
that song was penned by Vaali only, an underestimated Lyrics writer :(
those days Makkal thilagam had 3 writers :
1. valee
2. Pulamai pithan
3. muthu lingam
You will not be able to identify who penned the lyrics ! especially valee whose at times was mistaken to be of Kavignar's !
yes Thirumaran......valee was grossly underestimated....
interestingly, he is still around with the same youth in his lyrics ! ( remember devuda devuda )
and enna vilai azagay of ARR in kadhalar dhinam
I think "Enga Veettu Pillai" also came after MGR's split from DMK.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Anyone confirm this?
Soorya,
Enga veetu pillai came in 1965. If you would have watched the movie you could see MGR's voice was normal in that movie. He was shot on his throat during 1967. And came out from DMK at 1972.
Balaji,
Yes. There are so many intersting songs of Vaali, which is hard to believe that a man who crossed 60 years had written it..
Muquabla song..
Konja naal poru thalaivaa.. :thumbsup:
But sad part is that he involved even in some stupid songs like...
Eppadi Eppadi .. :(
Thirumaran and others
one small digression
Valee was asked by someone once :
neenga mettuketha paatuu ezudhuveengalaa
illa paatuketha mettu ezudhuveengalaa
and pat came the reply from valee :
DHUDUUKETHA PAATU
and thats valee !!
Straightforward :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Thirumaran
though this movie came well before he was out from DMK, just read the lines of NAAN AANAYITAAL :
NAAN AANAIYITAAL ...ADHU NADANDHU VITAAL INGU EZAIGAL VEDHANAI PADAMATAAR ...UYIR ULLAVARAI ORU THUNBAM ILLAI AVAR KANEER KADALILAY VIZA MAATAAR ( about his future plans ?)
ORU THAVARU SEIDHAAL ADHAI THERINDHU SEIDHAAL AVAN DEVAN ENDRAALUM VIDA MAATEN ( probably mukaa and his governance ?? )
ORU KALAM YEN KADAMAI VARUM INDHA KAYAVAR KOOTATHAI OZIPPEN
PODHU NEEDHIYILAY PUDHU PAADHAYILAY VARUM NALOOR MUGATHILAY VIZIPEN !!
this makes me wonder whether he already had some hidden agenda !!
Balaji,Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
I too believe he would have definetly had some long term plan when he started become famous. May not be exactly like becoming CM. May be something like a Kingmaker. The above bolded lines were just accidental which came true in later days to a certain extent. During that time he was having a huge respect towards Anna and MK.
One more song which accidently came true for MGR.
tharmam thalaikaakum,
thakka samayathil uyir kaakum,
kooda irunthae kuzhi parithaalum,
koduthathu kaathu nirkumm..
As per the lines his generosity only i think saved his life two times..
Once when he was shot in his throat.
Other when he was very serious and admitted in America.
:)
Also, they've made some SERIOUS changes to the lyrics of that song ...
* It used to be "Oru Kaalam Varum, En kadamai varum, intha Kaakaigal kootathai ozhipaen" ..... Now it's ""Oru Kaalam Varum, En kadamai varum, intha KOOTATHIN AATATHAI ozhipaen"
* The order of these lines in the 2 stanzas are changed .... It used to be
Ingu oomaigal yengavum unmaigal thoongavum naanaa paarthirupaen
Oru thalaiavan undu avan kolgai undu athai eppothum kaathirupaen
Oru kaalam Varum ..... and then it follows ....
But now, they've swapped the lines in between the two stanzas ..
Ingu oomaigal yengavum unmaigal thoongavum naanaa paarthirupaen
Oru thalaiavan undu avan kolgai undu athai eppothum kaathirupaen
Munbu yesu vanthaar, pibu Gandhi vanthaar, intha maanidar thirunthida piranthaar .....
It's sooooo funny, cos there is no relationship at all or connectivity between the lines .... They talk abt Oomaigal and then Maanidar Thirunthida ??? :oops: :evil: :oops:
Anybody have any idea why they swapped it ?? Similarly in the first stanza, they now talk abt Ooraar Kaal pidipaar, and then say Oru Kaalam alam varum en kadamai varum etc etc ... :o :shock: :o
Mannnn
I can never forget those days when he was hospitalised in Apollo Chennai..........
it was utter chaos and anarchy
R.M.Veerappan ( satya movies ) took charge in brief and ran the elections while MG was in sick bed in Brooklyn
Dr. Pratap C Reddy of Apollo would have heaved a sigh of relief when MG was moved to US...
IF SOMETHING WRONG HAD HAPPENED TO HIM IN APOLLO .....I bet Apollo would have got hospitalised !
And they used to play Aandavanae un paathangalai naan kaneeril neeraatunean song from OLI VILAKKU in every Tea stall in TN .... The catch phrase of ADMK during that election used to be, "Naangal paduthukondae jaipom" ..... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Bayarea
I think the entire song itself it worth a research material now !
Probably Murali Srinivas or Joe can throw some light on the changes
I have also heard about PUDHIYA VAANAM
From UDAYA SOORIYANIN PAARVAYILAY
to PUDHIYA SOORIYANIN PAARVAYILAY
I knowwwwwwwww ..... They've made quite some changes to all his political lines !!! :o :shock: :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Bayarea
true ....aandavanay un paadhangalai was the catch song and election song for admk during that phase...
While mukaa was vociferously shouting on top of the world that MG cannot speak , cannot walk cannot do anything .....
all of a sudden a video clipping came from Brooklyn and it was flashed in Doordharshan and all ADMK election vans showing MG in hospital showing V
and this created waves amongst the tn voters and the rest was history
indeed it was a remarkable come back of MG which lasted for 3 years
and finally when he landed in meenambaakam airport he was given a grand reception and on seeing the ocean of a crowd, unable to control emotions, he cried .... i still remember this
Actually on that election mukaa went in extend of saying that, If MGR comes back with full health he will hand over the rule to MGR. Hence asking the people to vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
Coming to songs..
Also there was a line in...
Nalla Nalla Pillagalai nambi song..
....
Maedayil Muzhangu Thiru.Vi.ka poal.. in the movie.
Actually the line was
Maedayil Muzhangu Arignar Anna Poal..
..
All to do with the ruler at that time.. :)
I read in some article that even Naan Aanayittaal... song had the starting line like this.....
Naan arasan(King) endraal... en aatchi(Govt.) endraal..... intha aezhaigal vethanai pada maattaar...
Then MGR asked Vaali to change the line, it seems.
Not sure.....