Wat surprising is McGrath couldn't get a place even in second XI..... :o
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Wat surprising is McGrath couldn't get a place even in second XI..... :o
How come Lillie in first XI?
What caught my eye is Brad, sobers and warne were unainmous choices. SRT got 11/12 votes from jury. Any guesses about the community who did mischief? My guess is the poRAmai pidicha Chappell brother.
yes..he dint vote for sachin...he has voted for brian lara..Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Period matters. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
For me, Prince Lara triumphs over King Richards because of the backup that King had. When it comes to spin, many of us will ask who is Richards??? Lara is a better player of pace bowling than Richards of spin. King of pace, minnow of spin. Further, Richards had a well balanced strong team both with the bat and ball unlike Lara. It would have been very interesting if Richards had the team like Lara. What he would've done it? Whether he would've gone for attack or defend? Can anyone answer these questions??? WI started to slide under the period of King Viv's captaincy itself. Lara beats Viv hands down when it comes to sheer variety of strokes and elegance.
Lara-vukku team thEvai illa. One man army. Just give him one good bowler. I am of the opinion that on his day, he can beat this World-XI too. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourav
Brian Lara's Oneman shows
9 peru correct. Hutton for Gavaskar and Sobers for Lara. Hutton-aarai pathi innum neraiya padichu therinjukkanum pola.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Have seen a few breathtaking innings of Vivs and no doubt he deserves his place in the XI. But any brownie points to Lara for coming after Seruwain Campbell and co.? Vivs came in after Haynes and Greenidge (arguably one of the best opening pairs), didn't he?
What can Richards do if he had a good team. The point is he outshone everyone even in his team in terms of batting. Even if he had a bad team he would still play in his own terms. That's Richads for you.
Sheer impact on the game. Richards >> Lara. I mean he was one of the Idols of Tendulkar.
You gotta be kidding me, The pace faced by Richards >>>>>> Lara. I am talking about in the non helmet days.
Sheer match winning performances, Again Richards >>> Lara.
Even in ODI's Richards averages 47. S/R is in the 90's in the days when 70's was considered good.
He bowled even part time spin and has taken 100+ wickets in ODI's.
Tests, Sollave vendam. Average of 50 in those days is near 60 in present days.
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Originally Posted by steveaustin
Don't read in between the lines. :) :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
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Originally Posted by Steveaustin
Extremely selective argument. This alone doesn't make the case better for Lara :P.
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Originally Posted by steveaustin
Shall we start a poll - Worst players to have played for India in Tests (Qual: Min 5 Matches Played)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOh-BNyAM_Q
I've posted this video before and I am posting it again. Dennis Lillee bowling 4+ bouncers on the trot to a non helmet Richard. Every bouncer he tries to hook Dennis.
"I remember him saying to Modi, 'I'm worth X amount of dollars'. Modi laughed at him. "
Matthew Hayden, in his autobiography, writes of a conversation between Michael Clarke and Lalit Modi about playing in the IPL and how the then chairman was dismissive of excessive demands
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/con...ote/index.html
idhula clarke patriotic paramasivam vEsham vERa :lol:
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I heard a rumor that X was equal to 1 million. Aus T20-laye (national and domestic) Clarke innum edhuvum pannalai :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by m_karthik
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
koot itea.Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
1) Vikram Rathore
2) MSK Prasad
3) Devang Gandhi
4) Tinu Yohanan
5) Paras Mhambrey
6) Noel David(Did he play tests?). If yes, I think he'll be the undisputed winner
Point to note - these were the players available to SRT during his captaincy.
Ajit Agarkar? But he has a test century. Paravaalliyaa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Agarkar, more than the century, has a match winning 6 wicket haul(against Australia, in Australia, no less) :shock:
So, indha groupla sErka manasu varala.
Poll here? domestic cricket/BCCI would be correct thread i think... :?
i like to see our hubbers choices for World XI for current players.,, :D
opener akash chopra ?
Plum r u sure that these players played atleast 5 tests?
Noel David was in team during WI tour, but I don't think he played in any tests. Remember seeing him while fielding, probably as a substitute.
No, these were the names that came to mind.
I am not inclined to spend time on Cricinfo to answer this :-)
He played onedayers. Not sure about tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Kood debate - "King" Richards vs. "Prince" Lara. Little dicely one to pick but I would go with Richards simply because Richards brand of batting is pretty unique, one-of-it's-kind. He had a very good eye, quick reflexes and gifted timing. Agree with Feddy on the "impact" aspect. Richards impact on the game is for others to follow and emulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Also, like Feddy mentioned, the kOvAlty of bowling that Richards faced during his times was much, much greater than Lara. Luckily, for Richards, he doesn't have to face his own countrymen. But still Holding and Garner used to joke about how they would get clobbered around the park by Richards in their domestic Red stripe tournaments.
Mind you, 70's/80's Test average of 50 is equal to contemporary (read: dubAkoor) Test cricket's average of 60+. :)
PB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Your's is a kood pick, I say. 8-)
Hutton and Hobbs (quite deservingly) take the openers slot. Ellam nAmba porakuradhukku munaadiyE vilayAdi retire-um aagithaainge. So vera vazhi ille, othukithu thein aaganum. But a batting genius himself, Gavaskar is extremely "unlucky" enough to miss the XI by a whisker. But no shame - as Hobbs/Hutton (as we would have read or heard from our grand parents) are legends in cricket history.
But in my playing XI, I would have picked Imran over Akram and Murali over Warne.
Moviecop, you the man.
Akram - the biggest nerudal I have with him is the Azharuddin connection - I mean the match fixing connection. I think it is almost proven that he was involved in match fixing - this doesnt get half as much disapproval as Murali's action, which is a matter of lasting shame for Cricketing classicists.
What happened to SS Das. He had a couple of good knocks in his kitty.
Agree Plum on your take on Akram's selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
But more than the match fixing controversy, even in terms of skill and sheer joy to watch for a cricket lover - Imran is > Akram. Andhe sorching inswinger (actually bannana inswinger they call it), unsettling/spine chilling express pace, classic run up and delivery stride - Imran Khan truely "romanticized" the art of fast bowling. If Safraz Nawaz invented reverse swing, Imran Khan took it to the next level and passed it on to the next generation greats like Wasim & Waqar to exploit. Akram is a great bowler in his own right but the truth is that Imran is even greater. Match fixing controversy or not, Wasim Akram shouldn't be playing in a Test XI that does not have Imran Khan as a first/default saaice, I say. :)
MC sir, I didn't have the privilege of watching the quartet of all-rounders in their pomp. By the time I started watching, Kapil looked like a spent force and was hanging on for the bowling record. If time permits, avangalai rate pannunga. 5 points for batting and 5 for bowling. Kapil, Imran, Hadlee & Botham-la yaaru best-nu therindhu kolla aasai :).
Sorry to intervene. :) :P
My ratings:
1) Ian Botham the genuine all-rounder than other three. His talent with the bat and ball more or less the same. He has single-handedly won more matches both bat and ball among these four. No one can forget his extraordinary act of brilliance with both bat and ball in the golden jubilee test at Bombay during 1979/80 (Year exactly not known) against Indians. Most devastating batsmen as well as good swing bowler and the best fielder among the four. He was a good footballer and Motor race driver too.
2) Imran Khan more reliable all-rounder and he was most devastating with the ball than the bat. He has developed his batting skills in his later stages of his career. He was a more controlled and calculative batsman than attacking. He was the best Captain among these four as well as one of the all time great Captains.
3) Talentwise Kapil Dev is next to Ian Botham but he was inconsistent. He was the most devastating batsman among these four but not same with the ball. On those days, he had a habbit of destroying the Windies bowling attacks. Of these four, only Ian Botham had dominated the Windies bowling attacks other than Kapil Dev. Kapil never justified his talent with the bat else he would have been the top batting all-rounder among these four. When it comes to attacking his hitting prowess is parallel to Richards. He was the second good fielder among these four. He was not an attacking bowler but nearly a Mcgrath type of bowler. He was the best outswing bowler that I have ever seen in my entire life. (He is almost a fast-medium Warne.) He was a footballer, a good golfer and a good tennis player.
4) Richard Hadlee the best bowler among the four but least dependent with the bat. Hadlee's bowling needs no introduction since everyone knows that he is the best in business when it comes to swing or control or accuracy.
If you take statistics, the result will be:
1) Imran,
2) Botham,
3) Hadlee and
4) Kapil Dev.
In ODIs, Kapil Dev was the front runner with some distance followed by Imran, Botham and Hadlee.
Steve, thangalin intervention engal baakkiyam. periyavanga (:wink:) yaaru venaalum sollunga. kettu therinjukkaren :P.
Nice writeup Steve. Test matchesla Kapil-dhaan last-a :-(? Or due to his batting prowess, 3rd place varuvaaplaya (above Hadlee)?
India is just above bangla and WI in bowling averages in last 3 years in TestsQuote:
Team-wise bowling averages in Tests since Jan 2008 Team Tests Wickets Average Strike rate 5WI/ 10WM
South Africa 28 462 30.58 57.2 15/ 2
England 36 571 31.67 61.4 29/ 3
Australia 35 601 32.79 61.8 20/ 3
New Zealand 25 381 34.99 69.7 10/ 0
Pakistan 17 254 35.35 63.8 12/ 0
Sri Lanka 20 302 36.66 67.4 15/ 3
India 30 447 38.46 72.4 12/ 2
Bangladesh 19 231 44.11 76.7 12/ 0
West Indies 24 299 44.60 81.1 10/ 0
This clearly proves how much of our test record owes it solely to our great batting machine and not any other aspect
To me even saying that the batting machine is ONE of the reasons for India's ascension to #1 is deeply insulting. Or even saying that they are only 60% or 70% responsible is also insulting.
Clearly, they are the sole reason we are top.
W.r.t. statistics,Quote:
Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani
Batting contribution analysis
Player----------Pl's ave.---------- Team's ave.---------- Pl. /Team's ave.--------- % of Country's runs
I.T. Botham------- 33.55------------27.82---------------------- 1.21------------------------- 11.6
Imran Khan------- 37.69------------32.80-----------------------1.15-------------------------9.7
Kapil Dev------- 31.05------------ 33.58---------------------- 0.92------------------------- 8.9
R.J. Hadlee------- 27.16------------ 26.52---------------------- 1.02------------------------- 8.8
Bowling contribution analysis
Player-------Pl's ave..---------- Team's ave..----------Pl. /Team's ave..--------- % of wickets by team
R.J. Hadlee------- 22.30------------ 37.26----------------------- 1.67------------------------- 35.7
Imran Khan------- 22.81------------ 33.24----------------------- 1.46------------------------- 27.9
I.T. Botham------- 28.40------------ 32.65----------------------- 1.15------------------------- 25.9
Kapil Dev--------- 29.65------------ 37.36----------------------- 1.26------------------------- 25.1
When it comes to All-round performances, it is Ian Botham who simply stands out than others.
Ian Botham had scored a 100 and taken 10 wickets (Golden Jubilee test during 1980) in a match once in his career. He had scored a 50+ and taken 5 wickets in an innings 11 times in his career. He has taken 120 catches which is high among these four great all rounders.
Imran Khan too had scored a 100 and 10 wickets only once in a match like Botham. But he had scored a 50+ and taken 5 wickets in an innings only thrice in his career. Catches held by him is 28 which is lowest among these four.
For Richard Hadlee and Kapil Dev, no 100 + 10 wkts in a match. But Hadlee had scored 50+ runs and taken 5 wickets half-a-dozen times, while the figure for Kapil Dev is only 4 slightly better than Imran Khan. Kapil Dev took 64 catches in his career while for Hadlee it is only 39.
But if you want to see the all-rounders action(in terms all round (bat+ball+fielding)performances), then the contest is certainly between Ian Botham and Kapil Dev. They are the two best entertainers among the world's leading all-time great all-rounders.