gopiharan, I did saw a song as a promo in one of the channel. Sounded nice and the label i guess is TSeries.
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gopiharan, I did saw a song as a promo in one of the channel. Sounded nice and the label i guess is TSeries.
verm, have to disagree. In fact, 80's was the leanest period of Hindi Film Music. You can see the effect even now - most compilations released by HMV and like, say Best oF Asha Bhonsle, Best of RDBurman etc are likely to contain a very low % of 80's songs. And it is not just these 2 artistes. 80'- early 90's were the lowest phase of HFM. L-P were doing monotonous beats(especially) and recycled tunes. RDB had faded out. Two-bit Ghazals(anything went here including the intolerable Jagjit singh), and ofcourse, Bappida's disco meejic were the in-things. Refershing music like QSQT et al were sporadic. Things only started to change with the arrival of ARR, Vishal Bharadwaj(grossly underused by Bollywood, unsurprisingly), S-E-L etc. Also, the Jatin Lalit type music, though not a patch on IR-ARR, were popular and musicals were made on their baton (to an extent, they did manage good stuff initially). ARR became a big-name amid all this.
ARR had to deal with the popularity of Kumar Sany, Nadeem-Shravan et al. Sacriligeous as it sounds, these guys were quite popular - however nauseating their music was(in Sany's case, nose-ating). So much so that I had a terrible argument with a Sanu-fan here in TFMPAGE - he wouldnt let go until I said "Sanu's voice was the greatest thing created since Eve" :-). Those guys were straight dismissive of ARR(imagine - Kumar Sanu fans bad-mouthing IR, ARR etc - does it get lower than that?).
That said, it doesnt take an iota of greatness away from IR that he couldnt succeed in Bollywood. Anyone who thinks so is a fool.
It is not true IR couldn't succeed in Bollywood. In other word we may say he did not try much or did not want Bollywood victory. :wink:
Yeh Zindagi :!: Come On AE enna ithu sirupullaithanama irukku that was a great Composition which gets aired in hindi channels even now without many of them knowing its by IR. Ismail Durbar Asserted in a show that This song was best ever composition in HFM :huh:Quote:
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Sanjeevi, that's a debate for another day. But can we say ARR has been unequivocably succesful in HFM, which IR, for whatever reasons, wasn't?
I think we cannot be in denial. I argue that this takes nothing away from IR as a musician - simply saying that he wasnt a commercially viable MD ever in Hindi is not a slur. Just another quirky fact. Take an analogy - MSV had some outstanding Telugu albums but he was never the colossal phenomenon that Raja was in Telugu. Infact, KVM was more commercially succesful in Telugu than MSV.Does that take anything away from MSV? Just to counter that, should I say MSV never tried to be big in telugu?
Salil Chowdhury was never a commercial giant in *any* language. Would you deny his position in the Top 5 composers ever of IFM? These things just happen and there is no need to be ashamed of these quirky facts, IMO.
North is north. South is south. The twain shall never meet. So it seems to me. Most NI Fans I know swear by "Ae Zindagi" and mock at the lack of tune in "Poongatru". Vice-versa. Well, atleast this proves Sanjeevi's assertion in part. Namely that IR had it in him to understand and deliver customised solutions for NI audience as he proved here by astutely changing the tune for Poongatru situation. Wonder how this happened? I'd like to believe that it is IR's genius that he recognised the potential of "Kanne Kalaimaane" to succeed as it is and the need to change "Poongatru".
Bah! I should have been a lawyer - I can argue for any side :-)
rs, ennavO pOnga, `hindhi channels', '`Ismail Durbar' mAdhiri PERIYA MANUSHANGA munnAl, nAn uNmaiyil `siru piLLai' dhanungO...
While `moondRam piRai' the movie and songs are so dear to me personally, unga considerations padi pArthAlum, it's a fact that `moondRam piRai' was a commercially and critically acclaimed success while sadhma sunk without a trace...
It's very difficult for me to accept an inferior song in place of the great `poongAtRu pudhidhAnadhu', which IMHO was so futuristic. I think Raja used natural wind instrument layers over modern innovative sounds in that song while yeh zindagi had all cheap keyboard sounds.
The only disadvantage for `poongAtRu' is probably the mono recording. I still cannot understand why Raja didn't have stereophonic recording for `poongAtRu' and `vAnengum' while he got `kaNNE kalaimAnE' and `ponmEni'in stereo:-( I think during that period he was very busy and didn't care much about such aspects...One can see him flip-flopping between mono and stereo, and in some cases even within the same album like this one...
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/07/14/s...1400710100.htm
A modest effort finely rewarded (rasa thandhram is a blackbuster)...
I am not sure of any of Raaja' hindi songs, except for Chaahungi Tumko & Pyaar Vyaar Super Hit Hai in Chhaila(which I find are the most Hindi and most modern of all Hindi songs), unbelievable but hear it closely and that fantastic Holi song in Mahaadev.
All other songs of IR sound contrived in Hindi, including the biggest hit of IR, a Ravindra Jain like Pallavi called Yeh Zindagi - everything in this song is pure fooling the public.
I used to think that IR was not good enough for Hindi, but I began to understand that IR did not care to stand out there. The most critical audience is Kerala and there you cannot pass of a Hindi tune or even a Tamil tune and call it successfull.
Raaja stood out with solid compositions in Malayalam, so it is nothing to to with Raaja not being good in the lighter but definitely melody oriented Hindi idiom.Karthik Raaja was more comfortable and gave more mature tunes in the idiom and that was seen in Grahan.
IR' strength is in making the ordinary tune extraordinary without any effort (Poonkatru Pudhiranuthu or Ponmeni Uruguthey.) Any other composer will not dare or even lower to the strategy of spitting out ordinary tunes, but only IR can do that, becuase most of his creativity lies in the melody for the orchestration.
Re, Ismail Durbar and Yeh Zindagi? I had also read one super article just about this song in one of the Bombay film mags!!! But, in my opinion this song sounded more at home in Tamil, I don't know why (maybe not much focus of melodiousness), though the idiom is Hindi