Blind worshipping of Thamizh cinema rasigan

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

@crajkumar_be Tamil films threadla ungaLa maadhiri ennaala madha virodha patti mandram nadaththa mudiyaadhu. I think unga bloglayo en bloglayo andha discussion vechukkalaam. My blog is unmoderated and fairly ok place to discuss that. I am not an atheist inspired by any actor or a worshipper because my 'thalaivar' does so.

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Jai,
Why do you assume i'm an atheist? :razz:
Anyway, adhu ippo mukkiyam illa.... worship nu vandhutta unga vaadhatha vida enga (fanatics) vadhangalum counter-points um strong-a irukkum (and indha vaadhatha solra naanga ellorum atheist-a irukka vendiya avasiyam illa)

Then Indhiya kalacharathu padi edho jolly-a irundhuttu porom.. idhula enna prachanai? naanga fanaticism la "waste" panra time-a vida indha madhiri vivadham moolama waste agara time dhaan jaasthi :)

Jai,
ambuttu dhaen. Case closed!

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by joe

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Thavira Thiru joe avargal theatre vaasalil kaththi kuthu pathi yellaam padichadhillainnu ninaikiren.

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ஐயா,
தியேட்டர் வாசலில் நடந்த கத்திக்குத்துகளை விட கோவில் திருவிழாக்களில் நடந்த கத்திக்குத்துகளின் எண்ணிக்கை அதிகம் .அதனால் கோவில் திருவிழாக்கள் ஒழிக்கப்பட வேண்டுமென சொல்லுறீங்களா?

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:lol: :thumbsup:

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>digr.>

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Originally Posted by sarna_blr

KADAVUL'um KOOTHTHAADIyum ondraaa :rotfl2: blasphemy :sigh2:

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தில்லையுள் கூத்தனே
தென்பாண்டி நாட்டானே

@ TiruvAsagam via Ilayaraja

<digr<

You are missing the point. One man's meat is another man's poison. :P

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Originally Posted by sarna_blr

appadiyaanaal KOVIL'um THIRAIYARANGUM ondraa :rotfl: :rotfl:
KADAVUL'um KOOTHTHAADIyum ondraaa :rotfl2: blasphemy :sigh2:

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Oh, now, we've shifted gears to point fingers at the illiterates! Seriously, does anyone think education would drive away people from idol worship? (Let's for a moment stop short of debating whether or not it's necessary to drive them in other directions at first place!) Neither is your average literate remarkably individualistic nor is the average illiterate a "wastrel" consumed completely by something that's of no value to his individual life. The notion that formal education will impart sophisticated sensibilities is itself significantly misplaced, and needless to say, an out-and-out 'podhup puridhal' that is regurgitated by all and sundry (perhaps because they feel the urge to add more value to their own inexplicably overlong stint in the school!). Nobody is as blind as they're made out to be. And, nobody is totally sighted either. Even as I'm typing this, I'm influenced by several people and several things.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

When it happened in MGR sivaji time period - there was also an added factor of illiteracy and ignorance in Thamizh Nadu. However thamizh nadu of today (Joe would agree) is much more educated and comparatively prosperous). Yet young people distracted and destroyed by the blind worship is continuing to happen and that is much much more shameful. The number of fan clubs since MGR Sivaji days has mushroomed and 'paal abishekam' has given waqy to 'beer abhishekam'. Earlier illiterate idiots did it - now literate, educated wastrels are doing it .

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Jaiganes,
Is it so hard to see that they are enjoying themselves doing all that? Maddy, Joe and Bala might have brought up unrelated things in this thread, but clearly there's a larger relevance. It'd be useful to pause and wonder why we are discussing particularly about the "thamizh cinema rasigan" when person-worship pervades the world in so many ways. Isn't it because we're all obsessed with cinema to different degrees? And hence with various artists? My question to you is how less obsessed we are compared to those who are doing pAl abishEgam for their idols. pAl abishEgam paNNi, padam pAththu mudichchappuRam, avar vElaiya pArkka poYiduvArA irukkum! yArukku theriyum? What useful work are we accomplishing here?

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Originally Posted by equanimus

What useful work are we accomplishing here?

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Nice observation!

:lol:

Beer abhishEkam naan pArthadhillai. ChummA sollanumEnu solla vENdiyadhu :lol2:
1. Beer is costly
2. Beer stinks
3. Its illegal!

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Originally Posted by joe

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Thavira Thiru joe avargal theatre vaasalil kaththi kuthu pathi yellaam padichadhillainnu ninaikiren.

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ஐயா,
தியேட்டர் வாசலில் நடந்த கத்திக்குத்துகளை விட கோவில் திருவிழாக்களில் நடந்த கத்திக்குத்துகளின் எண்ணிக்கை அதிகம் .அதனால் கோவில் திருவிழாக்கள் ஒழிக்கப்பட வேண்டுமென சொல்லுறீங்களா?

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kaththi kuththu happens in front of jail, panchayat office, collecetor office and infront of people's house too. Vaarthayai pidichikittu, argue pannaa indha maadhiri thappu thappa argue naan kooda pannalaam.
I just brought to your notice that your notion that blind adulation of cinema fans to a level of fanaticism also has taken a few lives and definitely to be added to the list of fanaticism that our thamizh people have (if we generalize - our indian people). This being thamizh films thread i added this to the discussion. Madha veri paththi vera threadla pesalaam. adhai ingey pesinaa. MAdha veri sari enga veri thappaa? appadinnu kekara maadhiri irukku. Appadi kaettaal, andha veriyum thappu indha veriyum thappu apdingradhu dhaan theerpu. Madha veri paththi pesum boadhu mozhi veriyayum saeththu pesalaam adhai romba naagareegama indha threadla pesa mudiyaadhu - adhu oru periya digression. vera threadla illa blogla naama adhai pesuvom.
@ crajkumar_be - naan ungala naastheegarnu sollave illaye - why do you assume that I did -I spoke generally about people who fashion their thoughts, beliefs and acts blindly on some one else.
@equanimus - as far as illiteracy and its connection with rational behaviour (offcourse what is rational behaviour - I would say that behaviour that doesn't justify causing public greivance and nuisance for some emotional issue) we know from 60 years of post independence Indian history how leaders have cleverly used emotional arguments to side step rational argument on everything from policy discussions to day to day administration and people being illiterates helps them in a big way . In 60s and 70s real paguththarivu vaadhis(rationalists) sincerely believed that education would liberate the iliterates - My argument was that blind fanaticism to movie stars and belief that their onscreen and offscreen persona were one and the same could have been attributed to illiteracy - but modern waste mongrel attitude(attributable to fan club activities) found in semi literate and literate youths in urban and semi urban centers ( I have had no chance to interact with real rural pocket people) is truly baffling. Larger than life has shrinked their life into smaller than reality status and that too while they are wide awake. Now I would feel happy if we all could debate on this 'ullangai nelli kani' rather than debating my fanaticism or (this fanaticism) is just a pichchuvaa kaththi in front of religious hatred and intolerance which is a machine gun. Nevertheless both are irrational and quite harmful is my point and in this forum there is no space or tolerance left to discuss the machine gun matter and therefore lets discuss the root problem of fanaticism which has manifested in a rather small (but still harmful) way as devotion to a film star.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

Oh, now, we've shifted gears to point fingers at the illiterates! Seriously, does anyone think education would drive away people from idol worship? (Let's for a moment stop short of debating whether or not it's necessary to drive them in other directions at first place!) Neither is your average literate remarkably individualistic nor is the average illiterate a "wastrel" consumed completely by something that's of no value to his individual life. The notion that formal education will impart sophisticated sensibilities is itself significantly misplaced, and needless to say, an out-and-out 'podhup puridhal' that is regurgitated by all and sundry (perhaps because they feel the urge to add more value to their own inexplicably overlong stint in the school!). Nobody is as blind as they're made out to be. And, nobody is totally sighted either. Even as I'm typing this, I'm influenced by several people and several things.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

When it happened in MGR sivaji time period - there was also an added factor of illiteracy and ignorance in Thamizh Nadu. However thamizh nadu of today (Joe would agree) is much more educated and comparatively prosperous). Yet young people distracted and destroyed by the blind worship is continuing to happen and that is much much more shameful. The number of fan clubs since MGR Sivaji days has mushroomed and 'paal abishekam' has given waqy to 'beer abhishekam'. Earlier illiterate idiots did it - now literate, educated wastrels are doing it .

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Jaiganes,
Is it so hard to see that they are enjoying themselves doing all that? Maddy, Joe and Bala might have brought up unrelated things in this thread, but clearly there's a larger relevance. It'd be useful to pause and wonder why we are discussing particularly about the "thamizh cinema rasigan" when person-worship pervades the world in so many ways. Isn't it because we're all obsessed with cinema to different degrees? And hence with various artists? My question to you is how less obsessed we are compared to those who are doing pAl abishEgam for their idols. pAl abishEgam paNNi, padam pAththu mudichchappuRam, avar vElaiya pArkka poYiduvArA irukkum! yArukku theriyum? What useful work are we accomplishing here?

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Who knows what useful work we are accomplishing here or there or anywhere? Just thinking and thinking loud - thats all. I want to share this thought and if it was such an invalid thought in your opinion - so be it and as crajkumar would say, lets agree to categorically disagree. I have no qualms with that.

Obviously, it's a different matter altogether if we're talking about the public nuisance and potential inconveniences such activities cause to others, etc. If that's the case, we've to get into the details. And, as I've no idea about that, I'd duly excuse myself from this discussion.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

offcourse what is rational behaviour - I would say that behaviour that doesn't justify causing public greivance and nuisance for some emotional issue

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Jaiganes,
As I wasn't talking about our political history etc. in my post, let me just respond to this part. If this is the yardstick, I'm afraid you've not said much about it. I'm no sympathiser for pAl abishEgam et al. (actually, haven't even seen one in life), but I see that they're tring to have fun. And, it might or might not be cause public grievance and nuisance.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Who knows what useful work we are accomplishing here or there or anywhere? Just thinking and thinking loud - thats all. I want to share this thought and if it was such an invalid thought in your opinion - so be it and as crajkumar would say, lets agree to categorically disagree. I have no qualms with that.

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No, no, I think you misunderstood that line. I was trying to ask, aren't we "wasting" our time too discussing this? To do useful work all the time isn't the kind of virtue we all aspire for, is it? :) And, I didn't mean to say it is "such an invalid thought" at all! Like you, I'm just trying to share my two cents about it. Cheers.