Films of Mani Ratnam

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

P.Vasu Indhilayum oru round vandhirukkaara :shock:

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avaru padam sinnathambiyathen namma venkatesu thambi indhila eduthicu. andha padamdhen karisma kapoor ponnukku modha hitt padam. avaroda 'en thangachchi padichava' padathathen indhila amitaabachan 'aaj ka arjunnnu' remake senjaaru. david dhawanlaan kuppai kotra edathula ivaru kuppai kotna naatham enna jaasthiyaava povum.

idhaye pinnaveenathuvapaani mettimaithana kandippavum naan sollalaam appram enna saaru nivedhitha 'fan' appdinnu avamaanapaduthiduveenga. adhanaala naan ithoda niruthikkaren.

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...09/628373.html

thalaivar semma mood-la irukaru pola!
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Mani Rathnam is undoubtedly one of the trend setters of Tamil Cinema. As I appreciate him for his story telling & directorial skills, I truly admire this man for his patriotism. I say this not because his films, off-late, is against terrorism and eventually leads to patriotism. That’s from a creator’s point of view. But as a principled man, I see him as a true patriot because as far as I know, he has never shot a song sequence or for that matter, any scene in a foreign country. On the contrary, he has been striving hard to show India beautifully, on screen. Minji minji pona, Sri Lanka poyiruppar, and we all know the reason behind Guru’s Russian episode – so, let’s leave it.

With my little knowledge, I would say that even Kurosawa has not shot any films outside Japan ( I really, don’t know). And, I suppose that even many European & Asian directors will be in the same league.

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1. The scene in which Rajni & Mamooty becomes buddy-buddy so implausibly. Deva jaile sethuruppen nee en nanban…. <Flattery>
2. The scene where Rajni’s valrtha patti tells him devaraj vendamda “unga amma vandhu ketta naan enna solluven” Rajni replies “epdi epdi….” <porumai>
3. Banupriya’s daughter asks Rajni why he is crying? Rajni replies “karuppa irudhadhaala thooki pottuta” And the child replies “illai, irukkadhu” <mudiyala>
4. The scene where Banupriya covers her daughter with that 3 decade old shawl to make Srividya recognize her expelled child <mudiyala2>

There are lot….It certainly makes me think that MR awfully underwent lot of compromises and adopted Ist & last page of TR’s dialoq and Visu’s sentimental books. MR filmsla paasamna pattum padamalum nachunnu irukkum inga panikattiya karanji voduthu.. ZOOM ZOOM Now this sentimental angles are reflected miraculously in camera face focusing adventures right from Ramana’s leeching face to Jaishankar’s grimace. My Photo Editor failed to express such tricks. In this sense, the movie is poorly written…

What I like the most in the film is Banupriya’s character. Her intro is a brilliant scene! Cinematic brilliance! In a shady focus, the widowed pregnant wife weeps and kneels down facing the wall a symbolic expression of her unlikeliness towards his husbands character and her baby’s future. This scene and the silence she maintains through out the film is terrific …. But the shawl scene spoiled the whole feast!

Whats wrong with Nayakan songs it seams like very much underrated.. It was a genius score for the script…

later...

app_engine

If you dwell deep into locality factor, Nayakan falls completely flat. Nayakan living in mumbai from childhood still unable to speak hindi even few words is damp squib.

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Originally Posted by Scale

app_engine

If you dwell deep into locality factor, Nayakan falls completely flat. Nayakan living in mumbai from childhood still unable to speak hindi even few words is damp squib.

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He lives in a tamil slum.. why should he speak Hindi?

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Originally Posted by Scale

app_engine

If you dwell deep into locality factor, Nayakan falls completely flat. Nayakan living in mumbai from childhood still unable to speak hindi even few words is damp squib.

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Ive heard abt people in mumbai tamil slums completely relying upon Tamil.

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Originally Posted by Scale

app_engine

If you dwell deep into locality factor, Nayakan falls completely flat. Nayakan living in mumbai from childhood still unable to speak hindi even few words is damp squib.

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Ive heard abt people in mumbai tamil slums completely relying upon Tamil.

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marathis-nu oru ilicha vaayan group irukkunu makkal maranthupoyiduraanga... enna panrathu, ange thaan sivasena pugunthu kalakkuraanga

Indhi therinjAlum, purinjaalum pEsaama irukkaradhu could be a defence mechanism. I know telugu like a native yet I hesitate to speak it while speaking to native telugu speakers. Only with close telugu friends do I speak telugu

Arithmetic therinjaalum calculator use pandradhu innoru reason. There could be a thousand reasons like this.

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Originally Posted by Scale

app_engine
unable to speak hindi

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I don't think so. He simply chooses not to speak, IMG :-)

In any case, my reference was from an average viewer's perspective where the location of the story is well set in the mind. (Another example, I cannot imagine the strong effects of films like pathinAru vayadhinilE, moondRam piRai etc without the viewer imagining to be present in the actual place like kEthi or sappAni's village near Theni)

Possibly my way of enjoying a movie is throwing myself into the scene (sometimes even into one of the characters of the movie). That does not happen with thaLabathi. Actually when Srividya says why so much of violence in this place, I felt like screaming 'what place are you talkin' about' :-(

Scale நீங்க யோசிக்கிற கோணமும் சரியென்றே படுகிறது. இதே அலைவரிசையில் சில வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பு நாயகன் படத்தை பார்த்த போது தோன்றியது. Plum சொல்வது போல, ஹிந்தி தெரிந்தாலும் தெரியாதது போல காட்டிக்கணும் என்ற கோணத்திலும் அடைக்கமுடியாது. உலகத்துல தன் தாய்மொழியத் தவிர இன்னொரு மொழியை ஒருவர் பேசுவாரானால், அது பெரிய/உயரிந்த விஷயம் தான். சிறுவயதில் இருந்து இருந்து ஒருவர் ஹிந்தி /மராட்டி பேசும் மாநிலத்தில் இருந்தும், ஹிந்தி /மராட்டி தெரியாமல் கடைசிவரை இன்னொருவரை மொழி பெயர்ப்பாளராக கூடவே வைத்துக்கொள்வதில் நம்பகத்தன்மை குறைந்தே காணப்படுகிறது. பொழப்புக்காக ஒருவன் இன்னொரு மொழி பேசும் இடத்தில் புலம் பெயர்ந்து, அவர்களின் துணையோடு தொழில் செய்து, ஆனால் அவர்கள் மொழி தெரியவில்லை என்றால், இரு காரணங்களே இருக்க முடியும். 1) தன் தாய்மொழி மீது இருக்கும் அளவு கடந்த வெறி 2) இயலாமை. வேலு நாயக்கரின் பாத்திரத்தை உருவகப் படுத்தியதை வைத்துப் பார்க்கும் போது இரண்டாம் காரணம் தான் சரியோ என நினைக்கத் தோன்றுகிறது. மொழி வெறியை பறை சாற்றும் படி ஒரே ஒரு காட்சி கூட படத்தில் கிடையாது என நினைக்கிறேன். ஒருவேளை இந்தக் காலக் கட்டத்தில் மணி நாயகனை எடுப்பாரேயானால், வேலு நாயக்கர் தமிழ் தவிர ஹிந்தி/மராட்டியை பேசும்படியான காட்சிகளை வைத்து கீழே சப்-டைட்டில் போட முனைவார் எனத் தோன்றுகிறது.

adaikkarathukkum release pandradhukkum namma yaaru? It is perfectly possible. I deliberately dont speak Hindi to most people unless there is no other choice for me here. No choice-na hindi-la pEsinA dhAn vElai aagumngara situation-la. enakku hindi nallAvE theriyum. idhellAm individual choice- idhukkellAm namma nAttAmai paNNa mudiyAdhu.
Marathi suthamA theriyAdhu.

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Originally Posted by Scale

3. Banupriya’s daughter asks Rajni why he is crying? Rajni replies “karuppa irudhadhaala thooki pottuta” And the child replies “illai, irukkadhu” <mudiyala>

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No, doesn't the kid say "mmmm" when Rajini says "naan vera karuppa irundhena?..."

I've often repeated Scale's point about Nayagan. Its not excusable (remba lighta doubt irukku, Dharavi la Indhi lerndhu insulated-a full a oruthar irundhuruppaaro nu. I'm not buying until i someone says they've seen someone like that first hand. I haven't)

Plum,
Won't-speak-rather-than-can't-speak argument does not make sense in the film IMO. Sila pala scenes la Indhi pesiye aaganum-ngara soozhnilaila kooda "pesa maatten" nu solradhu saathiyam illa nu thonudhu

Madanagopal: Quite possible

Goregaon-la thamizh suvisEsha koottam paathurukkEn.

Have seen a couple of Mumbai Tamils who can understand but can speak hardly recognizable Hindi (unakkum keezhe uLLavar kOdi situ :-) )

mumbai has always had pockets which are completely insulated from rest of city......mumbra, masjid resemble pakistan-nnu pasanga solluvaanga.....i had a catholic friend from Bandra who was born and brought up there but cant speak hindi

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i had a catholic friend from Bandra

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a la Jessy? :wink:

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Originally Posted by sathya_1979

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i had a catholic friend from Bandra

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a la Jessy? :wink:

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jessy ledhu, it was mark :lol:

Just a sample scene watch and decide yourself. The inspector's son, wife all speaks tamil but velu naicker cant speak a single word. He needs a translator! Even if you need to step out of this MR created only tamilians land (another blunder only delhi ganesh knows hindi) in mumbai (say for a grocery store) you need to know Marathi/Hindi. How a child like velu naicker could have survived! Like venkiram said this is highly inexcusable if Mani has to recreate this today! Hindi ethirpu adhigama irundhurukka koodum and tell me how many tamil movies were made in a different state those days...

Bala,

That was something similar but couldn't recall the exact context.

I think it is quite plausible. Maddy has just given real life examples "Indhi terriyadhu", "telugu teriyadhu" is a useful facade for me - not out of mozhi fanaticism but some practical benefits do I use this facade often. Someone in velu's position might have had great use for this facade. It can lead to local goons underestimating him and spilling on more than they should in his presence.oru gang maindain pannanumnA, you do have use for weapons that caan surprise. There are a thousand such possbilities to consider this a major flaw. Grocery storela when he grew up, he might have used hindi who knows?
Remember that only we see naicker's history in 3 hours. For people in dharavi, how many would remember his childhood? Whether he knows hindi or not will be his word taken at face value. The man survived an alien land for tendulkar's sake. You cannot expect to reveal himself fully to everyone all the time. There will be surprises. Ofcourse, mudaliar might have had darker secrets than the honourable, loyal friend, won't do drugs, punish the rapist do gooder that mani showed us. But that's hardly the point right?

I have met people who have been from their childhood in Detroit (not one or two just too many of them, from various backgrounds - middle east / euro / hispanic / namma sub-continentu etc) who can max say 'no speak inglees'.

Whether they really can't or pretend to others I can't say.

To think that MR is too dumb in this case - i.e. to show Velu Naicker using an interpreter, so as to be picked on by the likes of us - sounds simply funny to me:-) It is a deliberate portrayal I say, not a "miss"!

and yes, Maniratnam, himself has lived in Mumbai for some time - so i dont think he can miss it......going by mani's style, maybe varadarja mudaliar never spoke hindi in real life :)

Plum,

A setu has come to demolish your house and knowingly you simply chose not to speak hindi... he...he....

Its not just velu naicker alone the whole environs were unable to speak till the end of the movie and to his cinematic favour all the officers, a constable, inspector, wife there speaks tamil. I am not nitpicking since the locality was foregrounded it sounds highly inconceivable to me and some others.

Lets move on.....

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Originally Posted by Scale

A setu has come to demolish your house and knowingly you simply chose not to speak hindi... he...he....

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:exactly:
If at all there is a possibility, its that he can't speak Hindi and not that he won't speak Hindi, IMO

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Lets move on.....

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Idhuvum correct dhaan :)
That point was just a nitpick but kind of an irritant, nevertheless!

That is exactly when the facade is useful. Sari vidunga, we don't want to agree. Like app also pointed out, this is very well within realms of possibiility. Idhai oru nitpick pannanumne avasiyam illai.

Oh, taking such liberties to avoid the hassle of subtitles. :cool2:

Subtitles wasn't put in to use in late 80's I was googling... What was the first film Is it 'Roja?

He would have certainly considered it. As you said, it was Mani's idea to use them in Roja. I'm sure he would have rolled subtitles in "Nayagan" if Nayakar had spoken Hindi.

BRangan's 3 yr old blog on Maniratnam and how he made movies exclusively for us (chennai guys) :thumbsup:

http://brangan.easyjournal.com/entry.aspx?eid=3299165

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He used to belong to us, and now all of India had staked a claim in ownership, so much so that even the spelling of his name is no longer the way we’d write it – Mani Rathnam – but the way they would. It’s Mani Ratnam now.

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excellent point :thumbsup: with roja's and rahman's national success, Mani had to travel north.....quite inevitable.....i still loved iruvar, dil se, alais, kannathil and guru(to an extent) post roja.....infact, wy would someone not like thiruda thiruda too :lol:

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BRangan's 3 yr old blog on Maniratnam and how he made movies exclusively for us (chennai guys) :thumbsup:

http://brangan.easyjournal.com/entry.aspx?eid=3299165

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He used to belong to us, and now all of India had staked a claim in ownership, so much so that even the spelling of his name is no longer the way we’d write it – Mani Rathnam – but the way they would. It’s Mani Ratnam now.

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excellent point :thumbsup: with roja's and rahman's national success, Mani had to travel north.....quite inevitable.....i still loved iruvar, dil se, alais, kannathil and guru(to an extent) post roja.....infact, wy would someone not like thiruda thiruda too :lol:

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iruvar is my fav mani film.....his best fro sure....love u lalettan....u r the best 8-)

Mani Rat(h)nam's latest interest is Golf. Madhavan is the guy who introduced him to the sport.

Can anyone tell is Raavan's shooting over?...heard portions of it were shooted under the direction of Suhasini Manirathnam after Mani fell some ill..!!

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Originally Posted by vishwwa

Can anyone tell is Raavan's shooting over?...heard portions of it were shooted under the direction of Suhasini Manirathnam after Mani fell some ill..!!

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shooting allready over,ippa post production nadakuthu!movie release in april.

suhasini maniratnam movie-ya direct panna, padam out-than! :(

avalo raasi ammavukku![pombala leg thatha] :(

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Originally Posted by A.ANAND

suhasini maniratnam movie-ya direct panna, padam out-than! :(
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இயக்குவது மட்டுமல்ல. மணி படத்தில் இவுங்க, யாராவது ஒரு முக்கிய கதாபாத்திரத்திற்கு குரல் கொடுத்தாலும் அந்த படம் out-than! தயவு செய்து ராவண் படத்திலாவது அப்படி இப்படி ஏதாவது ஏடாகூடமா ஆயிடக் கூடாதென வேண்டிக் கொள்கிறேன். எனக்கு இவங்க குரலை கேட்பதும் ஒன்றுதான். இவரே அந்தப் பாத்திரத்தில் நடிப்பதும் ஒன்றுதான். அத்தனை ஆளுமை. அதனாலேயே சுகாவின் குரலை இன்னொரு கதாபாத்திரத்திற்கு.. சகிக்க முடியவில்லை.

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Originally Posted by vishwwa

heard portions of it were shooted under the direction of Suhasini Manirathnam after Mani fell some ill..!!

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boss suhasini is only writing the dialouges for the film...remember she also wrote for iruvar....awesome dialouges it had....

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Originally Posted by A.ANAND

suhasini maniratnam movie-ya direct panna, padam out-than! :(
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இயக்குவது மட்டுமல்ல. மணி படத்தில் இவுங்க, யாராவது ஒரு முக்கிய கதாபாத்திரத்திற்கு குரல் கொடுத்தாலும் அந்த படம் out-than!

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:rotfl: i cant sit to watch her reviews on jeya tv - i dont think i can survive her direction........i guess these are all rumors knowing the perfectionist Mani

Indira naan bayandha aLavukku mOsamA illai enbadhai solla kadamai pattirukkurEn.

the dubbing is over....and sources close to the unit say its his best so far(sources sify)..iruvar,nayagan,kannathil,roja,mouna ragam etc....boy its tuff to beat all these i guess....

my fav5 mani films in order:
1.iruvar
2.agni natchathiram
3.nayagan(bcos i have watched godfather)
4.roja
5.kannathil