||Rajinikanth+shankar->Athiradee|| The music of Shivaji

Saw the making of part 3...

Boss explained quickly about how they came up with Sahana, Vaaji and Style... How he had to convince for over an hour Shanker from London to use Sahana. The Vaaji song was supposed to start with the "Vaaji Vaaji" part but Shanker felt that it was too Hindiish... so just before recording the song they quickly added the "Poovanbai ambal" part. Na Muthukumar told some interesting tidbits also...

Apparently ARR was so impressed with the second half of the movie that he wanted apt BGM for that so he enquired AVM about using a foreign orchestra and they readily accepted. Amazing stuffs are in store for us if they ever release the OST! Apparently there are plans to do it....

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Apparently ARR was so impressed with the second half of the movie that he wanted apt BGM for that so he enquired AVM about using a foreign orchestra and they readily accepted. Amazing stuffs are in store for us if they ever release the OST! Apparently there are plans to do it....

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You are kidding. It's the 2nd half bgm that i find it irritating. It just gives an headache. When it comes to using an orchestra, people like ARR, Vidyasagar, etc just don't seem to have it. They end up over doing it and it really becomes a noise.

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Apparently ARR was so impressed with the second half of the movie that he wanted apt BGM for that so he enquired AVM about using a foreign orchestra and they readily accepted. Amazing stuffs are in store for us if they ever release the OST! Apparently there are plans to do it....

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You are kidding. It's the 2nd half bgm that i find it irritating. It just gives an headache. When it comes to using an orchestra, people like ARR, Vidyasagar, etc just don't seem to have it. They end up over doing it and it really becomes a noise.

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Mozart have spoken :lol: :lol:

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Apparently ARR was so impressed with the second half of the movie that he wanted apt BGM for that so he enquired AVM about using a foreign orchestra and they readily accepted. Amazing stuffs are in store for us if they ever release the OST! Apparently there are plans to do it....

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You are kidding. It's the 2nd half bgm that i find it irritating. It just gives an headache. When it comes to using an orchestra, people like ARR, Vidyasagar, etc just don't seem to have it. They end up over doing it and it really becomes a noise.

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Mozart have spoken :lol: :lol:

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and peter illch tchaikovsky has just rolled in his grave.... 8-)

[tscii]Sivaji bothers Black colour
-Kanimozhi M.P in Hatred!

The writer and Poet Kanimozhi who participated in the Tamilnadu Mutpooku Writers Association conducted function has conveyed her negative views about the movie Sivaji.ITs not even a month since the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M.Karunathi who gave the bravery sword and crowned Rajni and appreciated at the Chandramuki's Success Function. In a fraction of days from then, his daughter has come out with negative sense about the movie Sivaji, this has turned everyone's attention.

What has Kanimozhi told about this?

Todays world has started working towards destroying the nature and tradition of tamilians and pluck them from their roots. Sivaji the movie is a perfect example of this. They proudly say that Black colour is the colour of Tamilians in the beginning of the movie. But, after some scenes have gone,the ? mark is , why they go in search of Fair & Lovely to Remove the Black Colour which they himself told its a Tamilians colour.Is it reallly Fair on there part?

What was so embarrassing was that, they made use of our respective Tamil Professor(Soloman Poppaiya) to act in a scene as if he is criticising and addressing Tamil Womans, that is name containing proper grammer and as well typical Tamil womens who's appearance are Black, while Kanimozhi went indepth and was keep on speaking with involment about this issue, the crowd who gathered started applauding.

Since the poet and writer has got an additional responsibility as an M.P, the whole Tamil film industry has turned their attentions towards this complicated issue.

-R.S

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Alas somebody is taking notice. it takes time to realize such things (by way of comedy, really hurts)

sivaji songs are still online music listeners' favourites: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/ut/s/tamil/20/

all songs still up there, and also munbe vaa after a year is at 13 place.

sivaji songs are still online music listeners' favourites: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/ut/s/tamil/20/

all songs still up there, and also munbe vaa after a year is at 13 place.

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Apparently ARR was so impressed with the second half of the movie that he wanted apt BGM for that so he enquired AVM about using a foreign orchestra and they readily accepted. Amazing stuffs are in store for us if they ever release the OST! Apparently there are plans to do it....

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You are kidding. It's the 2nd half bgm that i find it irritating. It just gives an headache. When it comes to using an orchestra, people like ARR, Vidyasagar, etc just don't seem to have it. They end up over doing it and it really becomes a noise.

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using an orchestra? ok then hear warriors of heaven n earth. dont compare a.r.r with anyother music director in india

shivaji bgm was mindblowingsongs awesome

Digression (esp for people like Music4ever...or was it musicislife...):
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Repo...-07-29/pg1.php

nAn sonnadhu mAdhiri nadakkudhu pAththeengaLA?:-)

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Digression (esp for people like Music4ever...or was it musicislife...):
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Repo...-07-29/pg1.php

nAn sonnadhu mAdhiri nadakkudhu pAththeengaLA?:-)

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Digression (esp for people like Music4ever...or was it musicislife...):
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Repo...-07-29/pg1.php

nAn sonnadhu mAdhiri nadakkudhu pAththeengaLA?:-)

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what is it about... im lost! :oops: :? :cry:

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Digression (esp for people like Music4ever...or was it musicislife...):
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Repo...-07-29/pg1.php

nAn sonnadhu mAdhiri nadakkudhu pAththeengaLA?:-)

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what is it about... im lost! :oops: :? :cry:

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its about that thing of devotees rushing to temple because shreya does the same in sivaji to get rid of that jadhaga dhosham!

namba makkala thiruthave mudiyaadhu :( :( :(

PS : but i have no idea why this article came up in Music section of Sivaji?!

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Digression (esp for people like Music4ever...or was it musicislife...):
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Repo...-07-29/pg1.php

nAn sonnadhu mAdhiri nadakkudhu pAththeengaLA?:-)

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If it was directed for me, I am not able to follow the link!! and relevance. Anyways, this is the reason i always believe, especially in TN where RK is a statesman of belief for people (though RK says he is an actor, very well he may be, but that is not the way people look to him, that is not his fault), he has to be very careful in each and every scene of his movies (a tall order). But still I will and be an ardent fan of RK (as I tell my friends and family, RK fan following is in my blood, rathathule oornthathu, rathathin rathame!!)

Sorry guys, I'd like to be polite but quite frankly I think the music from Sivaji is awful. I know you guys will hate for saying this but please respect my opinion.

ARR is a brilliant composer, his music for Muthu and Padaiyappa were good, not his best but still good, they matched Rajini well, he did a good job. So what is with this Sivaji? Some of the songs are lifted out of MTV primetime, doesn't match with Rajini at all. Even the intro song is a wasted opportunity. All the parts with SPB singing are great, but the "Balelakka" chorus and the solo girl who sings two lines are just bad, and IMO they ruin the song.

Of course Sahana/Sahara are good.

Athiradi/Style, I don't even want to mention them. I will skip these whenever possible, ARR who forced you to make these songs?? Such a genius in film scores and film songs, in melody, orchestration, why do you resort to this sort of thing?

The BGM was good.

Maybe I'm just a grumpy guy but what's wrong with "Oruvan Oruvan", "Athithom", ""Sundari", etc, etc. Why does ARR have to give music that sounds like it's from "Boys" now, for Rajini? It doesn't match at all.

Dono firsttu ellam ungala mathirithan sonnanga bt nw everyone like the songs bt nenga yen yeppadi solringa?
rajiniya orey mathiri pakkathinga even hj rk fans liked the songs very much
shivaji is the best among a.r.r-raJINI combo

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Sorry guys, I'd like to be polite but quite frankly I think the music from Sivaji is awful. I know you guys will hate for saying this but please respect my opinion.

ARR is a brilliant composer, his music for Muthu and Padaiyappa were good, not his best but still good, they matched Rajini well, he did a good job. So what is with this Sivaji? Some of the songs are lifted out of MTV primetime, doesn't match with Rajini at all. Even the intro song is a wasted opportunity. All the parts with SPB singing are great, but the "Balelakka" chorus and the solo girl who sings two lines are just bad, and IMO they ruin the song.

Of course Sahana/Sahara are good.

Athiradi/Style, I don't even want to mention them. I will skip these whenever possible, ARR who forced you to make these songs?? Such a genius in film scores and film songs, in melody, orchestration, why do you resort to this sort of thing?

The BGM was good.

Maybe I'm just a grumpy guy but what's wrong with "Oruvan Oruvan", "Athithom", ""Sundari", etc, etc. Why does ARR have to give music that sounds like it's from "Boys" now, for Rajini? It doesn't match at all.

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thats what happens when ARR+Shankar join! Why do you need this combo if you want songs like athithom or aathanda ithaanda? We fans expected something new, innovative, creative. and we got it... thats it! :) you can wait for rajini+Deva combination to listen to ur type of songs.

What is new or innovative or creative about the Shivaji soundtrack? What is so new and innovative about bringing over crude rap music that is unappealing and feels so out of place? You didn't even mention anything I said about the songs.

Also why do you mention rajini + Deva? I didn't even mention any song from Rajini + Deva :? Oruvan Oruvan is by ARR and the other two are not by Deva.

Most of the combos have been good for music, Rajini + Illayaraja, Rajini + AR Rahman, Rajini + Deva, have all been okay for the most part. Remember Muthu, Padayappa, those were both ARR albums and they were good.

But Sivaji score is just bad. It is disappointing as an ARR album, it is disappointing as a Rajini album.

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What is new or innovative or creative about the Shivaji soundtrack? What is so new and innovative about bringing over crude rap music that is unappealing and feels so out of place? You didn't even mention anything I said about the songs.

Also why do you mention rajini + Deva? I didn't even mention any song from Rajini + Deva :? Oruvan Oruvan is by ARR and the other two are not by Deva.

Most of the combos have been good for music, Rajini + Illayaraja, Rajini + AR Rahman, Rajini + Deva, have all been okay for the most part. Remember Muthu, Padayappa, those were both ARR albums and they were good.

But Sivaji score is just bad. It is disappointing as an ARR album, it is disappointing as a Rajini album.

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brother, where were u last 2 months + ?? :lol: Sivaji audio is one of ARR-Shankar combo best and def the ONLY youthful album for Rajini....

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What is new or innovative or creative about the Shivaji soundtrack? What is so new and innovative about bringing over crude rap music that is unappealing and feels so out of place? You didn't even mention anything I said about the songs.

Also why do you mention rajini + Deva? I didn't even mention any song from Rajini + Deva :? Oruvan Oruvan is by ARR and the other two are not by Deva.

Most of the combos have been good for music, Rajini + Illayaraja, Rajini + AR Rahman, Rajini + Deva, have all been okay for the most part. Remember Muthu, Padayappa, those were both ARR albums and they were good.

But Sivaji score is just bad. It is disappointing as an ARR album, it is disappointing as a Rajini album.

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when it comes to shankar + arr combo, kokku saiva kokku or ohohoho kicku eruthu wont work. it has to be songs like style or athiradee to match shankar. remember its not just ARR or Rajni, there is another important guy. u cant expect non-shankar songs in a shankar film. thats what i am trying to say. but w/e like Dinesh asked where were you for the last two months, thoongi elumbina mathiri kathaikureenga :lol: its august 10 and sivaji songs have been ruling since april 10 thats a third of a year. how much bigger does it have to get to accept that the songs are good?

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it has to be songs like style or athiradee to match shankar.

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What about Mudhalvan, Indian, Gentlemen, etc...

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how much bigger does it have to get to accept that the songs are good?

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Any songs from a Rajini movie will sell well. But it depends if you want to judge this album based on mass popularity of based on musical quality. ARR, like Illayaraja before him, usually gives music that is real quality while other MD's out there just pump out stuff for the masses. Even when ARR puts out stuff for the masses it still has quality. So if you judge Sivaji front that point, it is a disappointment.


Yeah, I get that it's Shankar + ARR, whatever. But if Shankar's going to make a Rajini movie then they've got to change up the formula bit. Shankar can't make a Rajini movie the same way he made "Boys".

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brother, where were u last 2 months + ??:lol:

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but w/e like Dinesh asked where were you for the last two months

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I was in the hospital the last few months, so I can only listen to the songs and comment on them now.

I don't know, I thought ARR fans would the ones disappointed with this album. I mean, you guys know what kind of great stuff ARR can do, isn't it disappointing to see him reduced to making this kind of stuff?

dude, appreciate ur akkarai towards ARR fans :P :P dont think any of sane Rahman fans would expect a BOYS kinda music for Rajini film - and its a well known fact that no other MD wud have done music for Sivaji so well as ARR. you gotto first understand that its not a Rahman album you are looking at - its an album for Superstar Rajini - plus its for Shankar movie and for him to have satisifed all those audiences its well more than what any ARR FAN would ask for.
Now if you are talking abt a pure Rahman kinda album, well wait for Sakkarakatti and then come and comment here. And as someone already said, if you are looking for the kinda music you see in all Rajini movies, well you need not have ARR there - you can get any TDH music dir or some well known Rahman COPY CATS and get some songs - to experiment in a Superstar movie and to come out ROCKING is possible only by ARR!!

Avarukku athiradi, style pattu pedikalaya. evanga ethukku mela enna yethir pakkurangalnnu therila. nan pure rahman fan bt yenaku pedichurukku ena i want 2 listen both melody and fast so sahana, vaaji vaaji slow athiradi,style fast.

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it has to be songs like style or athiradee to match shankar.

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What about Mudhalvan, Indian, Gentlemen, etc...

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how much bigger does it have to get to accept that the songs are good?

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Any songs from a Rajini movie will sell well. But it depends if you want to judge this album based on mass popularity of based on musical quality. ARR, like Illayaraja before him, usually gives music that is real quality while other MD's out there just pump out stuff for the masses. Even when ARR puts out stuff for the masses it still has quality. So if you judge Sivaji front that point, it is a disappointment.


Yeah, I get that it's Shankar + ARR, whatever. But if Shankar's going to make a Rajini movie then they've got to change up the formula bit. Shankar can't make a Rajini movie the same way he made "Boys".

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brother, where were u last 2 months + ??:lol:

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but w/e like Dinesh asked where were you for the last two months

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I was in the hospital the last few months, so I can only listen to the songs and comment on them now.

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o u better now? sry...
but it makes sense now, initial reactions of some people to style and some other songs were just like urs... so dont worry u will like the songs soon enough.
as far as quality goes, we fans think this album is loaded with quality. but quality isnt enough, look what happened to a masterpiece like KKS. there has to be some elements in an album to reach to the masses. in that way sivaji had a lot and plus there is a lot of quality in the album its just hidden, keep listening buddy.. u will see what we mean. :)

btw did u watch the movie yet? u will see that there are many other kind of songs that can match rajni and with style and athiradee shankar and ARR showed some examples.

Prashanth, welcome back. Hope you are feeling better now :)

I am a Rajini fan and I like IR better than ARR. But I absolutely loved the songs of the BOSS and I feel its much better than padayappa/muthu/baba. If you take shankar movies, there always has been an athiradee kind of song in all his albums and needless to say those songs were the chartbusters (chikkubukku, mukkala, akkada etc.., ) and i am extremely glad that shankar has not compromised his music sense (at least :P) for Rajini. Did not you enjoy those songs on screen? Those two songs were testimony to Rajini's style and amazing screen presence and I am really thankful to shankar.

With the hype surrounding it I don't think no one could have matched ARR if they were to score music for this film and dude the same ARR gave sok last year. That just goes to show how versatile he can get.

Even when IR was at his peak, he gave songs like aasai nooRu vagai and pEsakkUdAthu in the same film, did not you enjoy both?????

I haven't seen all of the movie. I saw the beginning but I had to leave the theatre because I was feeling kind of sick (not because of the movie! :D)

Anyways yea I agree that there has to be something for the masses to enjoy, but isn't that why Rahman and Illayaraja are so popular? Because they could give music that is quality and have success with the masses? Doesn't always have to be one or the other.

I don't know, I'm going to watch the whole movie tomorrow, I'll see if I change my mind.

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I haven't seen all of the movie. I saw the beginning but I had to leave the theatre because I was feeling kind of sick (not because of the movie! :D)

Anyways yea I agree that there has to be something for the masses to enjoy, but isn't that why Rahman and Illayaraja are so popular? Because they could give music that is quality and have success with the masses?

I don't know, I'm going to watch the whole movie tomorrow, I'll see if I change my mind.

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yes but the album is probably the best album in terms of quality given to rajni after the 90s when he became the superstar.

What do you mean by after he became superstar? After what movie? Cause if you mean in the 90's and after then I think Thalapathy, Veera and Ejamaan were better albums. And I know that you disagree, but I think Muthu and Padayappa were better then Sivaji album too. That's just my opinion.

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What do you mean by after he became superstar? After what movie? Cause if you mean in the 90's and after then I think Thalapathy, Veera and Ejamaan were better albums. And I know that you disagree, but I think Muthu and Padayappa were better then Sivaji album too. That's just my opinion.

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k i respect ur opinion. :) what i meant was after he became superstar its hard to give quality music because of his mass appeal... i just thought sivaji is a new attempt for rajni and its very strong music wise and mass wise. but still the best intro according to me is oruvan oruvan. but album wise sivaji for me is better.

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but still the best intro according to me is oruvan oruvan

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I sure agree with that (except if you count Rakkamma), but I also give credit to Vairumuthu for his lyrics for that song. If you just look at the music, then I think it's just okay.

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but still the best intro according to me is oruvan oruvan

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I sure agree with that (except if you count Rakkamma), but I also give credit to Vairumuthu for his lyrics for that song. If you just look at the music, then I think it's just okay.

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it had mindblowing orchestration especially the prelude. whenever i think of rajni, i can listen to that prelude in my head. i think we should stop arguing prashanth. we are filling more pages than everyone here put together. :lol:

u a fan of ARR btw?

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u a fan of ARR btw?

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I hope so, or else I spent way too much money on his CD's! :lol:

I didn't think we were arguing, maybe at first though :wink:

Yeah the prelude in "Oruvan Oruvan" is great (I think that was the theme song of my childhood ), but the interludes are kinda irritating, except when the trumpet and strings part comes in, those parts are really good.

But I think Oruvan is the best song that ARR has given Rajini. :)

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u a fan of ARR btw?

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I hope so, or else I spent way too much money on his CD's! :lol:

I didn't think we were arguing, maybe at first though :wink:

Yeah the prelude in "Oruvan Oruvan" is great (I think that was the theme song of my childhood ), but the interludes are kinda irritating, except when the trumpet and strings part comes in, those parts are really good.

But I think Oruvan is the best song that ARR has given Rajini. :)

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agreed...
but keep listening to sivaji man, you will enjoy it, after u start liking the songs (which i am sure you will) watch the movie and you will be blown out of ur shows. :) take care

songs r really nice bt the sad thing is they r nt telecasting the ful songs in all television. songs bit than podarangal. illana ennum songs reach agum. bt the album is awesome.

thts coz the rights are with that *#%#@ tv and its not even started telecast i guess :(

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thts coz the rights are with that *#%#@ tv and its not even started telecast i guess :(

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is that channel working yet? stupid ppl, atleast they couldve let sun tv borrow the rights for a while (or rent the rights) i dunno, something like that. wasting such a big opportunity

After telecasting a song many times in a channel like sun music the song becomes a huge hit. Television media has the large reach. But in the case of shivaji already 60 days got over. still they r not telecasting the songs. :cry:

i dont think they wud rent/give the rights to sun tv of all channels -- i believe the songs are being given to Raj Tv - their 'friend' channel :P yeah, even singapore radio plays sivaji songs multiple times a day and its pathetic when such politics exist :banghead: :banghead: