IR's New albums - Ver 2008

Regarding "ULiyin Oasai" , I read few of you mentioning "Kaalathai vendra " song to be based on Kiravani . I beg to differ. I feel it is loosely based on "VakuLabharanam" scale. Iam reminded of hysterisis whenever I listen to Bhavathaarini with that annoying lag.
Coming back to the song, IR has once again creatively interjected the shenoy or nadhaswaram sound in one of the charanams , befitting the lyrics . I remember in "vayasu puLLa" song from the jinxed movie "en aNNan" , preceding the line "nadhaswaram munnala thaan naanum neeyum pinnodu thaan" , there comes a very spectacular nadhaswaram piece in the middle , playing the "mohanam" .

Vineeth's interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDNL-TI84oY

After long time, I like this IR's album (UO).....This is Vintage Raja.....

Thumburu,

I too didn't think 'Kaalathai Vendra' was Keeravani. It has a Mayamalavagowla feel to it but it is not Mayamalavagowla. I didn't think of Vakulabaranam. I guess Vakulabaranam in the next raga to MMG in the Melakartha scale. Maybe that is why I heard the MMG tinge (?)

I too noted that very brief but a lovely nadaswaram in this song. Excellent stuff.

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I too noted that very brief but a lovely nadaswaram in this song. Excellent stuff.

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Isn't it shenoy? It sounds like it.

I guess you are the right Judge :)) It does sound like a shenoy.

S.Suresh

The Hindu review of UO ! Positive ! :thumbsup:


http://www.hindu.com/cp/2008/07/11/s...1150050200.htm

"M. Karunanidhi’s script, Ilaiyaraja’s music and B. Kannan’s camera work combine to make J. Nandhini Arts’ Uliyin Osai interesting. "

Another version from "The Hindu" !


Has a separate section for IR's "Background score" :clap:

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2008/07/11/s...1150050200.htm

Background score

"Ilaiyaraaja’s acumen in re-recording is evident in a number of scenes, particularly where Muthunagai comes to the sculptor’s place to inspect his work. The background score flows like a beautiful river pausing for a second before resuming. Work of the highest order.

Most of the seven songs are pleasant, ‘Kalathai Venra Kalainganivan,’ sung by Bhavatharini and Sriram Parthasarathy being the most appealing."


I read in thatstamil report that people are clapping for IR's rerecording in Mayajaal multiplex. I did not believe it, but now think that it could be true !!! :D

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read in thatstamil report that people are clapping for IR's rerecording in Mayajaal multiplex. I did not believe it, but now think that it could be true !!!

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Are you sure people clapping for re-recording and that too in Mayajaal?

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read in thatstamil report that people are clapping for IR's rerecording in Mayajaal multiplex. I did not believe it, but now think that it could be true !!!

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Are you sure people clapping for re-recording and that too in Mayajaal?

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I had the same doubt :? Mayajaal crowd don't react to anything :x

in a mediocre movie anything remotely good also will be applauded by the suffereing audiences. If the good thing is raaja's music I wouldn't mind clapping myself.

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in a mediocre movie anything remotely good also will be applauded by the suffereing audiences. If the good thing is raaja's music I wouldn't mind clapping myself.

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in a mediocre movie anything remotely good also will be applauded by the suffereing audiences. If the good thing is raaja's music I wouldn't mind clapping myself.

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Wait !.. By the reviews so far, I don't think the movie is mediocre !
I waited for the review by The Hindu and then came to the conclusion that the movie is good.
"The Hindu" rarely exaggerates facts !

And almost all the reviews have appreciated other areas like Camera, not only IR's music..

>>I waited for the review by The Hindu and then came to the conclusion that the movie is good.<<

Because the head of a big political party is involved, you cannot trust any review:-) ( Possible attitude like "pattum-padAma konjam praise paNNi vittAl kadhai mudinjadhu. edhukku anAvasiyamA thitti ezhudhi vambai vilaikku vAngaNum?". People are not going to stop reading The hindu because it praised a mediocre movie, isn't it?)

That apart, till date, I haven't read a single opinion by any hubber who've seen this movie. This is one indicator of the (non)acceptance level in TN.

a_e,

If you are going to wait for some hubber to give his review, it will be a long wait and you cannot judge based on that !

Because the people who post here are very less and many among them are out of TN !

As far as I know, The Hindu doesn't show political loyalty on reviews..though they some times are not bold enough to criticize politicians on their moves.

In this review, you will notice that MK is referred by just his name, not by his title or post. This itself needs neutrality nowadays

r_f, may be mu-ka has done a decent job as he has capability to excel in senthamizh.

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumu...07-16/pg15.php
Kumudam, in general, ridicules the movie, praising only mu-ka & IR.

Portion relevent to music :
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இதற்குப் பொருத்தமாக இளையராஜாவின் இசை... உளியின் ஓசையை உயிரின் துடிப்பாக, தன் இசையால் உருமாற்றியிருக்கிறார் ராஜா. பாடல்கள் திரும்பத் திரும்ப கேட்க வைக்கும்...
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Could anybody post Kalki's review of "UO"?

I mean post the gist of it from Kalki weekly

Is anyone aware of a new devotional album by Ilayaraja, called "Amma Paamaalai"? The featured singers are Ilayaraja and Bhavatharini. Ilayaraja made some nice raga selections for the songs IMO (i.e., Kamavardhini, Sudha Saveri, Maand, etc.)

'pularkindra pozhuthu' - UO song reminds me of 'vanthaal mahaalakshmiye' from Uyarintha ullam, esp in interlude and saranams.

For the way IR used gatam with mirudhangam in this song :notworthy:

Also "Azhagi varaa" is just a rehash of "Thookku chattiya.." from Ejamaan.
Same situation and so same formula from IR..hmmm..

just a rehash?!?!?! :roll: - they come from two very different parent scales - one would have to work out of their skins to rehash a harikambhodhi tune to natabhairavi !

Tabu in a Balu Mahendra film
IndiaGlitz [Wednesday, July 16, 2008]

Noted Bollywod actress Tabu is back in Tamil Cinema. She will be playing the lead in a movie titled 'Anal Katru' and the film is to be directed by none other than veteran film-maker Balu Mahendra. Designed with an off beat story the film is produced by Mumbai based ANKK Movies.

Reports indicate that Tabu was mighty impressed with the story when Balu Mahendra narrated it to her. She immediately gave her consent to be part of the mega project.

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So looks like Anal Katru will be started pretty soon......

oru vazhiya BM script ezhuthi mudichuttarappa :)

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just a rehash?!?!?! :roll: - they come from two very different parent scales - one would have to work out of their skins to rehash a harikambhodhi tune to natabhairavi !

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For experts like you, can differentiate the raagas and appreciate. But for ordinary people, both songs sound the same. And that makes the majority of the population, hence if it is same, novelity is 'unseen'.

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'pularkindra pozhuthu' - UO song reminds me of 'vanthaal mahaalakshmiye' from Uyarintha ullam, esp in interlude and saranams.

For the way IR used gatam with mirudhangam in this song :notworthy:

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Easily the best song of the Album :) The rhythm keeps changing as the lyrics build into explaining various Poses. Especially the second Charanam goes into exploring some unknown Postures like
'Udal Uzhithum kalaikkatha Uzhaipaalar Nilai Kaattu...
Patham salikka saliyaatha jathiyodu Nadai Poadu...
Patham vilanga Porul koorum Mugabhavamthanai Kaattu...
Aaanantha soundaryam...
Azhagoottum Sringaaram...
Aacharaya Anavaratham...
Agora gora Samhaaram..
kongaigal aada...Kulalmalar aada Chalangaigal ( Not 'Salangai' :) )aada...chathurmarai aada
Kangamanigalodu kaivalai kulungida
Imaigal imaikka maranthithaiyangal mayangida....'
Listen to the way Sriram Parathsarathy expresses The emotion behind each word - soundrayam, sringaram, anavaratham, samhaaram...He is easily another Jesudass/SPB rightly fed by the composing genius in this album

also in the song 'Aganthaiyil aadavanath' There are few lines towards the end of the song
'Paaloottum Oarthaayin parivaana mugabhaavam
Pasithanil Parithavikkum Paattali mugabhaavam
Parathaiyar pinsendru Paazhaana mugabhaavam
siraththinai koithaalum sirikindra thidabhaavam....
and the lines that follow... every single words emotion/expression is taken care off

No Other composer in the whole world except Raaja would give such importance to make a singer emote for a song like this. Its this emotional connection that Raaja keeps intact till date which make us never abandon him come what may :oops:

I also like the way he builds the tempo towards the end in 'Abhinayam Kaatugindra' with the jalra sound accompanied by mridangam and violin.

Iam so immersed with the songs of UO... Its compositional-Lyrical-Rendering beauty that Iam afraid to see it onscreen :evil:

Are Dhanam songs out?

Ad in a paper says that "Coming Soon". Dint mention if its the movie or album

I guess its the album!!!

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Also "Azhagi varaa" is just a rehash of "Thookku chattiya.." from Ejamaan.
Same situation and so same formula from IR..hmmm..

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Amaamaam Same situation same formulathaan. Evalothaan Oru manushana Paada paduthrathunukku oru Alavae illaya?
Ithae maathiri themes/situations kuduththu kuduthu uruvi eduthaachu pala varushama! Aaana nammallalla rendu pattukku edaila konjam resemblence kandupudikka mudinjittu Perumoochuvittukka vendiyathuthaan
Listen to these songs with similar situations to understand the variety he has given for this particular theme (Relating to Food/Eating) and come to the conclusion of what else could we expect from him not to sound repetetive

Nitham Nitham Nellu soru - Mullum Malarum
Soru thinnu Naalaachu - Ninaivu chinnam
Ada Ada Vaasanai - Jothi
Kozhi muttai kozhi - Sakkalathi
Enna Samayalo/Samayal Paadame - Unnal Mudiyum thambi/Manipur maamiyaar
Enna Venum Thinnugada - Uyarntha Ullam
Kokkarko kozhi - Devathai ( A bit song )

these are some songs that comes to my mind immediately but there are many more songs in the same theme (Eating/Drinking/Food/cooking)

If we consider songs like 'Antha Kanji kalayatha' - MuthuKaalai, 'Sorunna Satti thimbom' - Kanni Raasi....Hmmm.... Intha Perumoochu avar intha chinna areala evalo experiment panni irukaarnnu nenachu paarthathunaala varathu.

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For experts like you, can differentiate the raagas and appreciate. But for ordinary people, both songs sound the same. And that makes the majority of the population, hence if it is same, novelity is 'unseen'.

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sadly, its this very population, that didnt understand the novelty (or didnt try to understand the novelty), talk ill more often and more louder than people who understand the novelty or atleast try to appreciate the novelty...kali kaalam sir

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'pularkindra pozhuthu' - UO song

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Easily the best song of the Album :) The rhythm keeps changing as the lyrics build into explaining various Poses.

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Yes, this was my pick of album in the first listening. But the pallavi of kallaai valarnthen is so addictive, I changed my opinion :)

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Listen to the way Sriram Parathsarathy expresses The emotion behind each word - soundrayam, sringaram, anavaratham, samhaaram...He is easily another Jesudass/SPB rightly fed by the composing genius in this album

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Lot of singers have mentioned that singing for IR is tough, bendedukkaama udamattaar raja.

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Its this emotional connection that Raaja keeps intact till date which make us never abandon him come what may

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That is the prime reason for his excellence in bgm, IR's music is unarvupoorvamanathu.

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Iam so immersed with the songs of UO... Its compositional-Lyrical-Rendering beauty that Iam afraid to see it onscreen

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Yes, the best from IR in recent times. I was about to miss this album but after reading the +ve reviews here, I picked up the album and I am happy that I bought it.

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sadly, its this very population, that didnt understand the novelty (or didnt try to understand the novelty), talk ill more often and more louder than people who understand the novelty or atleast try to appreciate the novelty...kali kaalam sir

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Happily I belong to this very population, which doesnt understand all your Kaambodhis,natabhairavi etc.
I respect your raaga knowledge, but if I had been knowledgable as you are, my life would have been spent in breaking the songs in to details, instead of tasting the beauty as a whole ! So no regrets :)

Also only this very population made IR a great celebrity, the simple ignorant people who just spent all their energy in tasting rather than peeping in to the kitchen on how the recipe is made etc :)

Whatever Kambodhi or Bhairavi is there, I still assert this song is just a rehash of Ejamaan song..

Even IR would not have thought about all this Raaga stuff for such songs ! Oru nimisham ucchanthalayai thottuttu harmoniathil kai vaippaaraam..avlo thaan avaroda effort :D
Michamellaam engalai pondra arivillaadha koottam paartthu kollum !

judge, the reason why you felt "kallil uyir " resembled "VandhaaL mahalakshimiye" is due to Kalyani in both the songs although the former is a ragamalika. It starts with early morning raga Bowli from "pulargindra pozhudhu" and then from "KALLIL UYIR" upto most parts , in Kalyani. He introduces Hamsanandhi at the last 2 lines of pallavi and brings it back again in the 2nd charanam . The 2nd half of first charanam transits from Kalyani to Dharmavathi. The last portions of 2nd charanam just before "thathi tharikita" is in Vasantha. A great song marred by Sriram's faltered singing, very surprising for a trained carnatic whizkid to struggle even in easy ragas like Kalyani. I would blame Raja here for not retaking .
How I miss KJY here!!! But to alleviate my grief, he does an impeccable rendition in "agandhaiyil aduvadha"

To identify a rotten apple, one need not have any music knowledge, just a pair of hearing ears is enough. wHETHER IT IS Natabhairavi or SindhuBhairavi, "Azhagi vara" is worser than a nursery rhyme, may be Raja's sound boy composed it.
Regarding the rehash of "thooku" song, it is easy to compose n songs with different scales with the similar sandhams like a formula. Raja has done it so many times . Take the case of "Chola vaLa naadu" set to Pahaadi scale which is simply a rehash of "pacha mala poovu" or "endhu paranjaalum" in Shankarabharanam scale. Even a lay person like me can use the same sandhams and retune in say a mohanam or Vasantha or some xyz scale. Idhu enna pramaadham?

raja_fan and thumburu, excellent posts, very enlightening. thank you both for the brilliant insights into IR's capabilities. Goes to prove what i said.

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Regarding the rehash of "thooku" song, it is easy to compose n songs with different scales with the similar sandhams like a formula. Raja has done it so many times . Take the case of "Chola vaLa naadu" set to Pahaadi scale which is simply a rehash of "pacha mala poovu" or "endhu paranjaalum" in Shankarabharanam scale. Even a lay person like me can use the same sandhams and retune in say a mohanam or Vasantha or some xyz scale. Idhu enna pramaadham?

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I disagree !
Oruvar velai-yai paarthu, idhu enna pramaadham-nu ketkkaradhu easy. To do it is talent.

I can tell it is a rehash. But to rehash is IR's talent.

He has already told "Music is a cheating business", with examples from MSV's "Veedu varai uravu", "Pesuvadhu kiliyaa" etc.
Sari avare sollittaare, naamalum cheat pannalaamnu try panninaa appo theriyum...Avar avar thaan...naama naama thaan..:)

I didn't mean to belittle IR's efforts. It lacked novelty to ordinary people. As raja_fan said, it is these people that made IR the greatest and also has the capability to pull him down as well - which is quite evident now.

When annakili song came out, nobody cared about ragas or stuff - it was flowing like a honey in the ears to everybody.

Now, I think we cannot accept the fact that IR lost his charm, and hence trying to excuse ourselves by analyzing and finding things that can be worth to talk about from his music.

I am wondering, being IR fans, are we all 'sub consciously' doing that as we are yet to accept that his time is 'over' (which is not a bad thing either)?

While 'Endu Paranjalum' is a retuning of 'Pacha Mala Poovu', the effect that he gets in 'Endu Paranjalum' is amazing. While it could be easy to use the sandam and come up with a new tune in a different raga which impacts you as powerfully as 'Endu Paranjalum' requires a genius. Love that song.

முன்பு ராஜா ஒரு காட்டாறு! வழியில் இருந்தது எல்லாம் ஒதுங்கி கொள்ள 'ஜோ'ன்னு கொட்ற இசையருவி கீழ நின்னு அதை ரசித்தோம். இப்ப நிச்சலனமாய் கடந்து போகும் நதி! மூழ்கிதான் ரசிக்கனும். வேண்டாம் என்பவர்கள் கொஞ்சம் பின்னோக்கி போய் அருவியில் நனைய தடை இல்லை. நதியின் ஆழத்தையும் அமைதியையும் ரசிக்க நினைப்பவர்கள் இங்கு வரவும் தடை இல்லை.
இதில் உயர்வென்ன தாழ்வென்ன? என் அவா சிக்கிரம் அவர் கடலாய் சமுத்திரமாய் மாற வேண்டும் என்பதே. ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்து 'சிம்பொனி'களாவது அமைக்க வேண்டும், என் வாழ்வு தீர்வதற்க்குள் கடலாட வேண்டும்.

nice analogy about "samudhram" rs:-)

There were postings by many about the aruvi-ARu comparisons from time to time, including one by myself long back, but you've gone one step further!

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முன்பு ராஜா ஒரு காட்டாறு! வழியில் இருந்தது எல்லாம் ஒதுங்கி கொள்ள 'ஜோ'ன்னு கொட்ற இசையருவி கீழ நின்னு அதை ரசித்தோம். இப்ப நிச்சலனமாய் கடந்து போகும் நதி! மூழ்கிதான் ரசிக்கனும். வேண்டாம் என்பவர்கள் கொஞ்சம் பின்னோக்கி போய் அருவியில் நனைய தடை இல்லை. நதியின் ஆழத்தையும் அமைதியையும் ரசிக்க நினைப்பவர்கள் இங்கு வரவும் தடை இல்லை.
இதில் உயர்வென்ன தாழ்வென்ன? என் அவா சிக்கிரம் அவர் கடலாய் சமுத்திரமாய் மாற வேண்டும் என்பதே. ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்து 'சிம்பொனி'களாவது அமைக்க வேண்டும், என் வாழ்வு தீர்வதற்க்குள் கடலாட வேண்டும்.

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Fantastic lines. I don't know how to type in tamil in this forum. Else i would hav replied in Tamil. Fantastic Wordings!!!