Saagar,
That is really surprising indeed. For I see most of the kids here go for the modern sounding beat driven songs. Maybe it has to do with what they are exposed to in childhood. She has good taste for sure :)
Saagar,
That is really surprising indeed. For I see most of the kids here go for the modern sounding beat driven songs. Maybe it has to do with what they are exposed to in childhood. She has good taste for sure :)
You're probably right Suresh,
There could not have been a bigger coincidence - Just as I'm into this, one of the singers in idea Star singer sang "Nee Pournami endrum en nenjile..." today & she came running to me after that wanting to Know if we have this song - "pls play it for me...!" & It's the first time she is hearing this song!
Sagar,
Wow. That's all I can say. If a kid of 4 loves 'nee pournami' on the first listen, you can rest in peace regarding her taste in music!!
:shock: :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saagar
she has already spotted the layers of vocal harmony in different sthaayis and different styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
one group singing 'Om Shaanthi' in western style in high pitch, with one group singing it in lower scale - Indian style - they create a sound effect which is very unique and catchy.
One more thing I have taken a liking to in that song is the brief connecting electric guitar bit that ties the lines in the charanam giving tempo - neatly done. Also the lyricist has got a good musical ear in coming up with phrases like 'kaalusthu peloosthu' Which to my Telugu lacking ear sounds exactly in sync with the tune.
Suryakanthi (Kannada) is likely to be IR's first movie release for 2010.
This movie is likely to release for Sankranthi (Pongal).
Too much Jai - dont give us an inferiority complex :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Per recent interview of IR to The Hindu, onething is very clear.
He's not going to work on any non-filmi albums unless some big music company produces it (highly unlikely at this point of time).
So, unless Agi music does some compilation of his pre-2K BGM and things like that, there may not be another instrumental album from his in the near future. Instead, he'll look for ways to make some quick bucks from films (even if that means just singing alone, like in the case of Goa).
No great issues, we have enough works of him to listen for years anyways.
Just one small wish, that some big firm pays him to release his symphony #1 ( Can Agi or Balki do something about it?)
andha symphony vishayathhula yedho thaaru maaru nadandhurukku - otherwise he wud have released it long ago - either in terms of quality or copyrights related issue, there is something serious abt the symphony - i dont think either AGI or balki can do anything abt itQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
besides even if it is released, namma buddhi/vetkam ketta makkal will download illegally - there is no incentive in it for IR in anyway, UNLESS someone buys it from him at a decent price
"Buddhi ketta makkal" are not there exclusively for spoiling IR's chances. These people do it for any music from anybody.Quote:
besides even if it is released, namma buddhi/vetkam ketta makkal will download illegally
IR needs to stop fuming over the system and learn to swim in the new trend currents !
My 4 yr old son love IR songs. His first ever song was Tiruvasagam (when my wife was carrying him). His first "visual" song was "Janani" from "One Man Show" dvd. When he saw IR on the screen, he lied flat on the ground ("namaskaram"). This was when he was about year and half. Since then, he has been IR fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
He (like every other child) is adicted to Nintendo. Nothing can take his focus out of Nintendo, except IR songs. He dont turn his head to even TV commercials. A soothing 80 melody is the only thing that can disturb him.
He is hooked on to "Raasathi Onna". He sing with perfect notes. Hoping to put him into Carnatic lesson and let him feel music. Y'day, I played "Vaanilae thennila aaduthae paaduthae" - He instantly caught onto it and asking for repeat.
Kids are open minded. They take what we give them.
njv,
Going by what I am hearing from you, Saagar and Jai, a new generation of Raja fans is already on the way. In a decades time they will be dominating this forum and we can retire peacefully :) (Not that anyone is forcing us to continue. Many may want us to take VRS now itself :lol: )
I heard 2 stories so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
1. SONY want full copyright for the Symphony. IR never gives copyright of his music to anyone (most recently ARR started this and this created some conflict with T-Series). Full copyright includes paying royalty to SONY if IR himself re-use this music or to perform in any shows.
2. Some one who reviewed this questioned authenticity of the music and IR was pissed off and decided not to release.
I believe the former because IR has had issues with this through out his career. Later - hmmm... also believable.
Hmm.. Thats true.. every composer/artist is facing the same issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Coming to kiddy preferences,any tiny tot aged above 2 in kerala knows "thannannam thaanannam" from Yatra,something Ayya composed back in 80s.I dont know from where my 3 year old daughter learnt it,i dont remember playing it in my stereo often.Ofcourse 'thumbi vaa' and 'kiliye kiliye' are staple diets for kids in every kerala household.Sad they get corrupted once they age and discover something called 'new' in music
Been listening to 'Ramana Saranam Saranam' album first thing in the morning for more than a week now. I had earlier posted regarding the songs of this album. I want to now post some thoughts on the devotional albums of Raja.
As everyone knows Raja has been releasing devotional albums at regular intervals. In his biography he says that he tuned 4 Kannada devotional songs and lot of people were touched by those songs. I searched hard for it and got it. Only to realize that I already had the Tamil versions of these songs in the album, 'Geeta Vazhipadu'. The devotional albums that Raja has released that I know of include: 'Illayarajavin Geeta Vazhipadu', 'Ramana Malai', 'Guru Ramana Geetham', 'Geeta Vazhipadu', 'Amma Paamalai', 'Manikanda Geeta Mala' and 'Ramana Saranam Saranam'. I am unable to procure 'Amma Paamlai' though I have tried hard. If someone lets me know where I can procure it, I will be grateful. I have heard the songs though on thiraipaadal.
When I hear these songs what I realize is that not only in the sphere of music is Raja an integrator, but also in the devotional field. What I mean here is that whenever people talk about devotional song or devotional album, they immediately have a standard template in mind. If it is a Hindu devotional, the expectation is that it will be based on some carnatic or a light hindustani ragam. The same way, the Christian and Muslim devotionals have their own templates. Everyone thinks that devotional songs are different from film tunes. A statement like 'That devotional song sounds like a film song' is usually made in the pejorative sense. Raja, in most of these albums, doesn't bother about such expectations. He seems to believe that 'bhakthi' is the same, whether you express it as a 'film song', or as a folk song or as a semi classical song. The overall feeling should be what the lyrics want to convey. To his credit, he does convey the sense, though at first people's reaction is somewhat confused as to what these type of songs are doing in a devotional album.
I remember the time when I bought 'Ramanamalai' tape in the ashram and drove back to Bangalore playing that tape. My wife's reaction was "This sounds like a film album." Later it went on to become a very important devotional album for her. Same was the case with 'Guru Ramana Geetham'. When she heard one song based on Mayamalavagowla, she remarked, "This sounds like 'Oru chiri kandal' " Slowly this album too went on to become a favorite. If you hear 'Manikandan Geeta Mala' you will have the same feeling. Infact one of the posters here had said that one song sounded like a Christian devotional. My feeling is that in these albums Raja wants to break that barrier of saying this type of music is suitable only for this type of songs. He wants to convey the 'bhakthi bhavam' in every possible way. Be it a filmy melody, be it a folk melody, be it a qawali beat based song or a christian choir like song. Raja goes beyond the brahminical version of bhakthi to try and incorporate the bhakthi bhavam prevalent in different strata of the society.
Well, atleast that is my theory :) Not sure how many of you will agree with it. Your views most welcome.
whats brahminical version of bhakthi?... in musical sense... is it vedic chants? that case he incorporated them into many of his songs... y get into needless controversy?....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
eagle,
I am definitely not trying to be controversial here. When I meant 'brahminical version of bhakthi' I meant something which is very formal, something which is more raga based, has less of folk elements etc. (I am not sure how to explain this without getting into controversy so I will point you to a short story of Jeyamohan titled, 'maadan moksham'. That probably gives a clear idea of what I wanted to say.)
andha new trendu ennaannu konjam velakureengala .. please..Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
naangalum andha aathula neendhi paakuromE konjam...
oru egjampil is something in MS Subbulakshmi's voice like a bhaja govindam or vishnu sahasranamam or suprabatham - adhu - if you observe all the current carnatic singers singing devotional try to channel MS and it is very evident.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
non-brahmin version atleast among ladies is 'veppilaikkaari' template with LR Easwari singing out loud with louder orchestration..
Raaja's is as usual the middle way - understated and strained in emotion - classic example - 'Kaaranamindri kanneer varum' adhan raaga thala vistheernangal kuriththa aaraichi thevayatradhu, adhan bhaavam nijamaagave kanindha manangaLil kanneer varavazhaikka koodiyadhu, konjam kuzhaivodu nammai andi nirpadhu.
Indha paadalai isayaaga ketpadhai vida, youtube videovil Raasappu paadum bodhu innum unarchi ponguvadhEnO?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
"Maa Ganga" Naan Kadavul Title songa Repeat panni irukaar intha album la.
interesting give back - dont u think?Quote:
Originally Posted by K
devotional albumlendhu 'Pichai paathiram' Baala eduthaar.
Avar padathulendhu Raaja 'Maa Ganga' vai edukkirar....
Jai,
You have very precisely explained the difference. That was what I was trying to convey.
The bhavam in almost all the songs of 'Ramana Saranam Saranam' is very touching.
Yes, 'Maa Ganga' is remade in this album but with a minor twist which makes this more a South Indian melody compared to the North Indian bhajan that was 'Maa Ganga'. The change starts right at the beginning, when Sriram hums the raga. I am happy that he has expanded this to two stanzas. Nice give-and-take analysis :)
Overall a very emotional and touching album.
Suresh,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
were there two albums by Geeta Vazhipadu and Ilayarajavin Geeta Vazhipadu? or are they both same?
And the Ramana Maalai you mentioned here is 'Ilayarajavin Ramana Maalai' right?
raagas,
Yes, you are right. In both cases you need to prefix Illayaraja :)
Ramanashramam had a stall in recent Chennai book fair. I saw all the three Raaja 'Ramanar' albums (moonu thanE?) there. Missed the chance to buy :(
Suryakanti movie review from Rediff:
http://movies.rediff.com/report/2010...uryakanthi.htm
"layaraja is very good in creating the background score. His two song compositions Edheya Baagilu Thattadhe and Mouna Neenu have raised above the bar of excellence.
Chaithanya's Suryakanthi is worth a watch for Ilayaraja's work and superb outdoor shoot. "
thanks,
Krishnan
I bought the Ramana Saranam saranam Cd there for Rs.50. They said Raja has done this album in free for the Ramanashramam, the other 2 CDs were RamanaMaalai and Guru Ramana Geetham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
Since nothing new on IR's new albums side, i have to digress to comment on some new albums which have come out in Tamil(i am not naming names here to avoid controversy).
I dont seem to understand why our present composers go out of the way to make the song sound as unIndian(is this a word?) as possible. I mean none of the songs from the two albums i heard sound Indian at all. I mean it is an Indian/Tamil movie right ? Is it considered out of fashion to compose a song rooted in our Indian sounds? While one album though catchy has a complete western sound to it, the other album has a singer screaming a word constantly in high pitch throughout a song and this is supposed to mean experimentation with song? on top of it the Director of that movie on the audio launch function comments that the London audience loved the songs as they sounded so international. Why are we so infatuated with trying to get our songs to sound like other foreign songs?
I mean IR's music has many international elements to it but his song always had that Indian sound rooted in its melody and i am glad he has still not compromised on it. Eventhough his orchestration has a lot of western elements it never makes the song sound any different from an indian song.
Sorry for the digression.
rprasad,
IR himself recently said that we cant get judgemental and everyone works according to their own requirements. Know what, i came across an interesting quote once - There is nothing like Good Music or Bad Music; there is only Music which we like and which we dont like. And IR too says the same thing, when he said that there is nothing like Hit song and non-hit song. It is just what we like and dislike. So be it. Why do we want to discuss what London audience thinks?
And sounding something international is an interpretation.The Chorus part in "Poovar Senni Mannan" is akin to vedic chanting for us, but for budapest philharmonic orchestra people, it is operatic and more choral.Tell me, did IR intend to sound Indian or western there? It is all up to listener's interpretation.
I think, be it any composer, not just IR, it is good to ignore others interpretations and opinions and listen to it as you would listen to just any thing. if you like it, it becomes good. else, it isn't. It doesn't matter if someone in London or Singapore or Budapest or Moscow loves it or not.
I guess discussing nativity is a different subject altogether. Let us not get into any unnecessary discussions regarding what other music directors are doing. Will not help anyone.
I don't mind a good discussion on current musical trends. But that is for another thread and definitely another day :) Need to get some work done now :)
Just checked this link: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/trad.../index_in.html
No sign of release of Hindi film SRK anywhere :(
IR-Gulzar's combination, still lying in cans.
Raagas, I never commented on a song being bad or good. I am fully aware that every one has their own taste for music. Again i dont know where you got the impression that i wanted to discuss about what London audience thinks. I only quoted a director to drive home a point. I think you totally missed my point here. I am mererly trying to point out that there seems to be a trend/craze among the present day composers/directors to try to make the songs sound more western/international instead of trying to make good Indian film song. and i disagree on your point that nativitiy in a song can be subjective or interpretative. But as Suresh says this can be a separate thread some other time.
IR has signed yet another Telugu film - "Gaayam 2". (Sequel to RGV's Gaayam)
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/publis...an_jan1509.php
Hmm. 'Gayam -2'? I guess the first 'Gayam' had story by Manirathnam and direction of RGV. It had Jagapathy Babu and Revathi. The film was a pain. Before 'Gayam', RGV had made 'Antham', which was also a pain!! One of my friends remarked (in Telugu)after watching 'Gayam', "Ram Gopal Verma munde antham ayyi poyadu. Inka emi vaadiki gayam?" :D Not translatable though.
Suresh, i liked Gayam . It was more raw and not as polished as Shiva but certainly one of the better ones from RGV at that time period. and it was pretty succesful too in terms of box office. Jagapathi Babu potrayed his character prefectly with restraint and a sort of underplayed aggression. While Antham was terrible, Gayam certainly was a much better movie. Though i am not so optimistic of the sequel since it is handled by a another director who has no track record as such. Lets hope he can atleast get IR to give some good songs like Mallepoovu.
rp,
Agree that 'Gayam' was probably better than 'Amtham' but we were tired with very similar RGV style at that time. As you say, hope the director is able to inspire Raja to give him some excellent songs.
song recording starts today...
'kulasekaranum koolippadaiyum'
cast: Nattu, Prakash Raj, Vadivelu
Crew: G.Siva, Ilayaraja, RD Rajasekar, VT Vijayan, Thottatharani......
From Indiaglitz:
‘Suryakanthi’ is worth watching once for many reasons – the tall, lanky and beautiful Regina, handsome Chetan, extraordinary cinematography from HC Venu, exotic locations of Uzbekistan, Goa, Belgaum, three marvelous tunes from music maestro Ilayaraja – what else is required for a commercial cinema!
Any idea how Suryakanthi is doing at BO? Has anyone seen yet ?