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Thiru,
The south indian and north indian versions of indian epics have quite a few differences. As such ACK has been the best and most reliable. They have well researched narrations and in 85-89 ran a complete series on the Mahabharata running to close to a 100 issues.
Gokulam is incorrect, that I know :) Tinkle and ACK are both from India Book House, so contentwise they are the same.
"Thiru"
// Sudhaama... As per rules of the war, a person should not attack the other person below the hips... when bheema hit dhuriyodhana on the thigh, that was supposed to be against the rules of the war... The reason that bheema hit dhuriyodhana on the thigh was because that was the area that dhuriyodhana covered with banana leaf (as per krishna's instructions) when gandhaari opened her eyes..//.
There is a Yudhdha-sasthra... part of Raja-Dharma-Sasthra... which stipulates... varying YUGA-DHARMAS... varying from yuga to yuga...
For example Vanavasam in Ramayana 14 years... Mahabharatha 13 years.
In Thretha-Yuga... hitting at a NIRAAYUDHA-PAANI... was Unlawful...
But In Dwapara-yuga ... Kali-yuga... allowable.
Similarly... hitting below the hip was unlawful until Thretha-yuga End..
But subsequently during Dwapara yuga... it depends on the Vow taken at the time of completing his learning under the Guru...which too varies from one Guru to another... because the Guru... or the so called Teacher of Warfare... have been given the option. suiting to the situations.
When Arjuna... hesitates to hit at Karna... being a Niraayudhapani... attempting to manage to restore the stuck-up chariot...
( since his Charioter Salyan... had deserted and eloped... leaving Karna helpless)
Krishna urged Arjuna to attack Karna... irrespective of his armlessness... since the object of war itself is to make the Enemy... HELPLESS... and Accept the Defeat....
... Or else the Enemy to be eliniminated by Finishing him... as per Law of War.
Similarly... in case of Duryodana... on the instigation of Karna... Bheema patted on his Thigh and called Draupadi to sit on his lap... because she had become his Slave....
Then Bheema... became FEROCIOUS... on this Insult... took a vow.. that with bhis Gadhjayudha... he will hit on the same thigh... and kill him... until then ... will not drink water by hands... but only the sprinkled water caused by hitting on the water-surface... with the Gadhayudha..
Draupadi took a vow... that she will not tie her Hair... until.. she smears the blood from Duryodanas thigh (which was shown by Duryodana as her seat) on her hair..
Both these vows were fulfilled by Bheema... by hitting at Duryodanas thigh... and applying the blood on Draupathis Hair.
Knowing this possible Danger to her son... Gandhari... tries make him stronger by passing on her spiritual powers through her Eyes... but due to Krishna's trick.. Duryodana... violated his mother's instructions to stand before him naked, after his morning-bath...since he covered his Upper-Leg-regions with Banana-leaves... as per advice of Krishna...
Thus his Thighs... could not be fortified... and became VULNERABLE... to suit the Vows of Bheema and Draupathi... all because of the timely trick played by Krishna
Part of this story... although I had written in this thread... just yesterday... I have repeated here once again for your convenience.
Please go through that posting... which gives more details and justifying points... on the embarassing circumstances... due to theFOUL-GAME played by duryodana... an attempt to cheat and kill Bheema...was solved by TRUTHFUL means.
Stories vary from author to author.... so we should rely opon the Moola-paatam ... Mahabharatha by Vyasa... which only is authentic... based on which I have furnished the particulars here.
Thanks sudhaama for the clarification..
btw, I read vyaasar virundhu when I was young but my parents strictly told me that I shouldnt read it because not anyone can just read it...
Me and my sister didnt heed to their advise and started reading it... and we both suddenly started getting boils in our body all of a sudden and people started blaming our reading of vyasar virundhu for it... Though it seems crazy and funny now, we had to drop our efforts in reading the full book.. has anyone heard something like that?
Mr. Thiru,
"Vyasar-virundhu' by Rajaji has been republished... in the name ofMaha-bharatham by Rajaji.
He has correctly written strictly conforming to Vyasa... without any addition of his own Fictions... but true to the Original of Vyasa .. unlike some others . who have deviated ..from the Original ... at a few places.
So Vyasa Virundhu is wholly dependable... but it is only a brief version in a story-form... without the aspect of justifications.
Mahabharatham at Home?
There is a unfounded belief ... amongst Tamilians... that the Mahabharatha-upanyasam should not be conducted at Home... and if violated it will cause undue misunderstandings amongst brothers of that Family.
But Ramayana is not so... since auspicious for the Family... if Upanyasam conducted at Home.
But I have not heard from anybody in my life... about the Stipulation of
... BAN TO READ MAHABHARATHA by anybody at Home...
Only the Upanyasam is banned ... Not reading the Book... or discussing...
Your Illness has nothing to do with reading Vyasar Virundhu...
ILLNESS after .READING it.... Kaakkaa utkaara Pazham vizhundha Kadhai...
I know.. but when you are 10 years old, you dont have the say :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
In my Opinion ... Illustrated Indian-Epic-Stories ... aiming towards educating children ... are in some aspects APPRECIABLE... especially for their venture to enlighten the Budds of tender-stage... and as healthy-seeds.. on our Great Indian-Heritage...
... But at some places... their versions are far-deviating from the Originals
... as also in some respects ... TOTALLY WRONG AND MISLEADING...
Perhaps because they give more importance to the Subsidiary Literatures sprouted from the Original-Epics....
So to say ... they are based on Thulsidas Ramayana.... in case of Raamayana... in preference to Valmiki...
How can I say... some parts .... of Pictorised Children's stories... as WRONG .... and MISLEADING ?
.... [In this country America... these Children's Stories in English... especially... illustrated..... on Indian-Heritage... are VERY POPULAR... amongst Indians here...
And with my embaraasing expereience with my Grand-children.... who have grasped the contents verbatim... as it is in the books... are raising some WISE-QUESTIONS to me..... I find often placed in embarassing position ... Neither I am able to say... they are Wrong... Nor I am able to explain to them... in a convincing manner... logically... and perceptibly to Wisdom.]....
For example in Ramayana.. it says... that the King-Janaka ... sent calls to different countries... inviting the various Raja-kumaras
... to prove their best Challenge ... to TIE-UP THE CHORD... of SIVA-DHANUSU... a TOUGH-TASK...
.. on a STIFF BOW... So difficult and challenging on the Might of a Warrior.... even to BEND IT... just the Primary-process.... for the sake of tying its Chord.... and then hold it at the same stage with a single hand... that too... LEFT HAND... leaving the RIGHT-HAND FREE...enabling to Tie-up with the other end of the Bow....
Whereas the pictorial children story says... that the challenge was to BREAK THE SIVA-DHANUSU...
Will any King INVITE THE WARRIORS... to BREAK a Bow.. a Holy-weapon
... Especially... the BLESSED ONE ... received... from Lord Siva Himself?
Valmiki says the former... and further justifies... that Rama... proved His Might one step higher and beyond... the MINIMUM STIPULATION...of only ..JUST TYING UP THE CHORD...
Valmiki also justifies... why unusually and unconventionally... Janaka stipulated this Bow-Challenge?...
Because .. one day while Seetha-devi was playing the Ball-throw and Catch-play along with her Friends in the Garden...the Ball thrown by Seetha was so forceful... that within a few seconds... it reached INCREDIBLY too far... the very REMOTE... Aayudha-Godown .. through its window.... and beneath the Box of Siva-dhanusu....
...All the play-mates followed by Servant-MALE-MEMBERS...searched and found it hiding beneath the Bow-Box...
But none of them ... EVEN JOINTLY... could not lift or even just to move the Bow-Box ...
... Then Seetha said... what all of you the MALE MIGHTY WARRIORS... employed to protect we the ladies... Can't you even lift this Single Box...?
.. Saying thus... she CASUALLY LIFTED UP the Bow-Box just with her LEFT-HAND ... and Retrieved the Hiding-Play- Ball.
,,,Just at that moment... the King Janaka passing by at a distance... noticed all this Episode.. and got AMAZED to note such UNUSUAL AND INCREDIBLE VALOUR of... an AFTER-ALL A Weaker-Sex... LADY!!!..
Then he .. decided... to carve out a plan of... Judging-Test on Might and Valour... on the same Bow....
.. to select the APT MATCH ... of UNUSUAL MALE-MIGHT... to suit...
... for his Daughter Seetha...of Proven... UNUSUAL FEMALE-MIGHT.
Which one amongst these Two different versions are BETTER CONVINCING?....
Similarly...such UNREASONABLE... and MISLEADING VERSIONS...
...on.. Mahabharatha too... have spread in the Society... contrary to the Originals.
For examnple... I ask one Question ...on Mahabharatha...??????
While Yudhistra or the so-called Dharma-puthra... the eldest brother of Pandavas... were getting CHEATED by the onslaughts of several Wicked- tricks... especially during the Chess-game...
... Dharma innocently and ignorantly was YIELDING to all the NEFARIOUS MACHINATIONS... of his Enemy... in the Robe of so called ...Bothers
... and thus became a SCAPE-GOAT ... and pitiable VICTIM... not only himself but also his affectionate brothers... who honour their eldest brothers words as Veda-Vakku ...
... On such situations... what was the reaction of the brothers... ?
Was it CORRECT and JUSTIFIED... just to SUCCUMB... ignoring one's OWN- WISDOM?
Here Vyasa... and other Authors differ.
Same thing was shown in Ramanand sagar's Ramayan(Feb 1987).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Congrats to Arun Govil :D
thiru wrote
It is your parents way of telling you to stay away from adults only stories. Considering the subject matter of Mahabaratha it definitely classifies as something only mature people can comprehend. In fact the stories are so tumultuous that even mature minds are not able to digest major portion of mahabharatha.Quote:
btw, I read vyaasar virundhu when I was young but my parents strictly told me that I shouldnt read it because not anyone can just read it...
"jaiganes"
....Considering the subject matter of Mahabaratha it definitely classifies as something only mature people can comprehend. In fact the stories are so tumultuous that even mature minds are not able to digest major portion of mahabharatha.//
Yes.. that is the GREATNESS cum Mystery of Mahabharatha... giving adequate...
... Scope for HUMAN -WISDOM-APPLICATION... to understand the DIFFERENCE...
... Between the TRUTH and REALITY... in Life ... where we meet Beastly-Men... alongside Godly Human too.
... Indian-Epics are the Great Eternal Lessons for the Global-Humanity...
If Good-people ... do mistakes... it leads to BLUNDERS from others...
.. is the EXLUSIVE Message of Ramayana...
... where Nobody amongst the Main-characters were basically the BAD ...including Kaikeyi, Mandharai.. and even RAVANA..as also Dasaratha...
But all these people ... slipped a little out of the way at one stage... which lead to a big History and Purana...as Ramayana...
Even the Lord Rama... God... slipped...ONLY ONCE... which lead to worst consequence.... of capture of his Divine-wife...
Thus God himself shows to posterity... Oh my dear Children.. How others and I burnt our fingers... due to our mistakes which lead to subsequent Blunders and unnecessary sufferings for all...
... while at some other stages others and I have stood like Rock ... to establish .
..... the High-values of RIGHTEOUSNESS... and such other Rich Human principles...
... to make YOUR OWN LIFE MEANINGFUL... WORTHY...and SUCCESSFUL
Similarly... if Bad-people come to power... what will happen?... ..
... MAHABHARATHA.... in which Ramayana-Lessons are subtly INCLUSIVE.
And even with all the various sorts of Mights and Supports ... cunning-games ... Foul-plays...Invincible Greats by Dharmic-power coupled with Warrior- Talents ... all those cannot Win ...
And ... in such cases... God will DEFINITELY INTERFERE by coming as the Total-supporter to the Righteous section of Mankind...
... and that God will SELFLESSLY go to any extent to Protect the inerests of such Righteous people... establishing the Moral-Values... in Human Life.. as a Society... irrespective of His fetching ILL-FAME.
... Further showing that God will even accept the BLAMES...UNDUE CRITICISM... for the sake of Righteous people...
...and will even be preapred to become a SINNER BY RECEIVING the Sins of others.... and suffer for it unduly....
... just to save RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE... including Pandavas and Karna.(the Right-Man at the Wrong place)
"You my dear Children on Earth... better take the lessons".....God Says and Shows.
... as ETERNAL-LESSONS by action more than Words ... Divine Message through Mahabhaaratha