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"now you are saying IR is responsible for HH's screw up"
I didnt say that HH screwed up in the first place. I said IF you think that was a goof up then he was just following IR's hand signals. Lot of things go on stage. Many times the musicians themselves were interrupted or had to re-start following IR's hand singnals. does that mean the entire string section is incompetent?
"appada...i was waiting for this...a very convenient exit strategy...nice try again.."
exit strategy?!! what are you talking about? :-) you cant differentiate an improv from a goofup. even other DFers here who didnt like HH's improvs just mention that they dont like it, thats all. They never go ahead and call HH incompetent for his improvs. Its a matter of taste.
Incompetence is when you make obvious mistakes, like when you cant even read what you yourself have written on paper, thrice. Then, its not a matter of taste anymore.
Anyways, since you have yourself agreed earlier that u were just trying to find excuses for Shreya's goofup, we'll stop it here, because you seem to have run out of excuses.
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looks like you are back on the hwy...next exit is after 1 mile...at the speed you are going it is going to take forever...
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Shall we call a 'naattaamai' and ask him to maathify his theerpu? You guys are going hammer and tongs at each other..!!! :-)
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I guess you never even made it to the highway in the first place, to make that assessment :-)
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kingvj, neenge forumukku pudhusaa...this is probably the mildest of fights happening in forumhub...but probably the first shreya vs hari"the incompetent"haran...
vijayr...enjoy the ride...
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kingvj, inga theerpukku'dhan sandaiye....adhukku appuram maathi vera sollanuma :) As thops asks, are you new to this forum?
BTW, I completely missed yesterday's (13th) installment of IR's concert on Jaya TV. The only glimpse that I got was when IR was saying something (my house was full of people y'day, so audio was not clear) to HH (about a raga???) and HH responded with an alaap. It was good & I liked it. I have not heard it before. This was just before the instrument piece (dham...dham..dham...(Olangal)). I was able to listen to most of this instrumental piece aswell. But there was lot of noise in my house, so I could not enjoy it that well.
Any reports on yesterday's installment? Was it the last one?
thanks,
Krishnan
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Hi Krishnan, yes that was the last part of the instalment. The "3 note piece" was a clear winner among y'day's goodies and which deservedly bagged thunderous applause.
Especially the charanam of this piece was a pleasant surprise with a great flow.
HH's "kaapi" raga Hindusthani alaap b4 "thumbi vaa" was apt. I would have liked "thumbi vaa" in its original without the "dham dham"s . MadhuBalakrishnan sounded quite uneasy in KJY's songs. Last but not the least, Shivamani rocked with his rythms gymnastics providing the fitting finale.
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On this whole HH fiasco, I guess it is just *taste*. To the classically inclined, there could have been nothing wrong with his performance. He didn't lose key, did nothing that can be classified as 'incompetent'.
However, to anyone who sees these songs just as *film music*(and therefore linked to certain emotions and situations), HH was bound to be jarring. For example, his improvisations on "Ennai Thaalatta" made it sound as if he is making fun of someone (the twist on varuvaalo was less like yearning and more like "aiye!inna vanduduvala!Somma gamnu kida!idhaiyellam pattu padihcunu keeriyae" kind of emotion. Ofcourse, this sort of thing cannot be articulated as easily as a loss of key, loss of tempo or inaccurate pronounciation.Which is why people are finding it difficult to refute vijay.
IR, as vijay said, was noticeably off key and lost tempo, shruthi and what not right through the concert at various places. But guess what? Who cares?!!! Except classical purists like vijay. (vijay, hope you dont take it as a slur -I mean it as a compliment!). We have to accomodate that point of view as well because hey its music, finally.It will be judged on its faithfulness to the classical form, as well.(As vijay said, in this concert, IR's strong point of emoting beautifully was also not really visible)
In the context of this concert, IR's mistakes didnt jar on me. It was just enough that he was performing and enjoying it himself(infact, I had actually believed that this concert wouldnt really help him and posted that view here but it changed after seeing the concert - if nothing else, IR must have taken back a positive feeling that people will appreciate his innovations even in TN - I just hope it reflects in his creative process) A vast majority fo the fans were enjoying as well so no regrets, really from anyone's POV.
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Dear All,
Yesterday I saw a program called 'Andrum Indrum Endrum' by Dr.IR on Jeya TV, has anyone seen it?
It featured Greatest Legendary Singers like Dr.SPB, KS.Chitra and included other singers like P.Jeyachandran, Hariharan, Mano, Vijay Yesudas, Swarnalatha, Shreya G, Sadhana Sargam, Bhavatharani, etc
The opening song was by Dr.IR by him self, guess what the song was, 'Janani Janani' by Dr.IR, man ppl cried of enjoyment, me too, It sent Shivers down my spinal cord, cha I wish I was there!
Parthipan was conducting the show, as soon as he said, 'I call Mr.S.P.Balasubhramanium', before he even finished , the crowd were screaming out loud, thunderous applause, whistles, etc etc, it went on for abt 1-2 mins, it was ONLY Dr.IR and DR.SPB who recieved such welcome, SPB sang amazing songs like 'Mantram vantha thendraluku' , 'Pothi vaicha maligai mottu', 'Sundari kannal', etc, SPB and IR huged each other with great affection, man what a treat for the ears.
KSC sang ever green song, Yethetho enam from Punahai mannan, then PJ sang awsome number like 'Raasathi unnai', and then Mano sang 'Shenbahame shenbhame', man I Mano was a terrible choice for this, really ! then Hari sang songs like 'Enai thaalata varuvala', etc etc
Has any one seen it, if so post ur views
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rajdes, theerpu solla enna avasaramo? any kickbacks ? :)
Losing shruthi is a binary factor , whether 'yes' or 'no' and I have already registered my take on HH .It was just not his day . IR's singing is well known and nothing new. He pretended to concentrate on conducting the orchestra to cover up his pitfalls.
I really missed some of the golden female voices esp SJ/VJ/PS/KJY [curse the ageing]. Wanted to have more of SPB [who doesn't want to?]
RVU recounted an interesting incident with IR just before the show. IR asked RVU the reason for his crestfallen look outside the recording theatre just before a song recording . The orchestra, singers etc were all ready to commence the job. RVU collected all his courage and dared tell IR that he was unhappy with his tune as he felt it did not fit into the situation perfectly.IR instantly shot up with anger as to why RVU had to point this out at the last moment after the score sheets were distributed to the orchestra and they were getting ready for the "take". Then after an afterthought, IR asked RVU to again narrate the situation. IR listened intently and composed the song in 20 minutes . RVU was happy with the song and got it recorded immediately. Thus was born the evergreen "muthu mani maalai" from ChinnaKounder
