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குஷ்புவுக்குக்கோயில் கட்டிய நாட்டில் இருந்து கொண்டு டேட்டிங்கைக்குறை சொல்வதும், கண்ணாடி வீட்டிலிருந்து கல் எறிவதும் =:-)
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குஷ்புவுக்குக்கோயில் கட்டிய நாட்டில் இருந்து கொண்டு டேட்டிங்கைக்குறை சொல்வதும், கண்ணாடி வீட்டிலிருந்து கல் எறிவதும் =:-)
kushboo is not a representative of our women! huh! how odious! kOdi janathogaoyil oru siRu sathaveetha kiRukkarkankaLai, kEnaiyankaLai vaiththu moththa thamizagaththai edaipOdalaamaa? is it fair?
Asia-la orgies nadanthathunnu naanEthaan sonnEn! appO enga intha america? nEththu penja mazaiyila muzaicha kaaLaan!
oru paanai sotrirkku oru soru padham nnu solradhu nyayamaagum innaatil :-) idhu en saathiyamillai .... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
romba fast dhaan ivanga ;-) nadandhadhu angayaanaalum .... romba fast aa accustom aagardhu inga pola irukke :lol: jkQuote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
>>inga vEsham pOduRaaLkaL-nnu eppadi adichi solReenga? ellOrumaa?<<
I don't think the intention here is to apply tar on our own people, which includes myself and my own relatives / family members:-)
All this exposure of indecency / immorality prevailing in our own homeland is only because you chose to blame / attack "foreign" sources for the situation (and also stereotyping the western people alone as promiscuous)
oru pazamozi - enga paatti solvathu: ambattan kuppaiyai kiNda kiNda masiruthaan varum! It is already very late for me to go sleep! :wave:
And you're blaming these 'kALAn's to influence the 'kOdAnu kOdi' yOgyarkaL?:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
:lol: adhula poi naama moolaiyai theduromo :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
inga nadakkardhu is not patti mandram - to see who is winning :-) when sharing things ... lot of the times ... we have to face some branches too ...... adhu sambandhapattadhaaga irukkira varaikkum thavaru illai ;-)
unga pazhamozhi la vellai mudi, karuppu mudi, brown mudi nnu kooda branch out panna mudiyume ;-)
thisai maari pogardha neenga feel panraadhu sari nnu ennala othukka mudiyala :-)
Good Night :wave:
Also, thanks for accepting the "great past" of the east (much before they were corrupt with western influences):-)
:thumbsup: app .... absolutely right !!!!Quote:
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:lol: thirindhi irundhaangalO ennamo ;-) jkQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
நாங்கள் சில குறைகளை சுட்டிக்காட்டியதற்காக, இப்படி தமிழகம் முழுவதையும் (அல்லது இந்த இழை முழுவதையும்) "சிகை அலங்கார நிலையமாக" வர்ணிப்பது -ஆனாலும் கொஞ்சம் ஓவர்:-)
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:roll: ;-) PP maam kochukka poraanga :yessir: ;-)
representative aa illadhadhukke ;-) kovilaa :PQuote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
app.....
wat do you think about her statement on pre-marital sex .... ? avanga sonna statement enna ???? :roll:
bingleguy, I deliberately chose NOT to read the alleged opinion of Kushbu about TN girls or virtues (for that matter anything she can have on our culture and morality):-) To me there are more authentic and better sources to understand TN's status quo / culture:-)
On the other hand, I agree that she too has karuththu sudhandhiram. If we don't like, trash it. (epporuL yAr yAr vAikkEtpinum...) Why all this riot (thus giving a lot more publicity for it)?
:lol: well .... familarity varume :PQuote:
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inga ippadi pesuvaanga ....
anga shreyamma ... 4 inch skirt oda CM function kku varuvadhai mattum paarthu rasippaangalO ;-)
enna sir idhu .....
avanga glamour queen dhaan ... appo avanga appadi vandhadhukku kaaranam avangalaa ;-) illa appadi vandha dhaan paakiravangalukku pudikkum/edhirpaapaanga ngardhukkaaga appadi vandhadhaa ?????
[tscii]http://indiablogs.searchindia.com/2008/03/10/incredible-india-unsafe-for-tourists/
Tourists to India - Beware.
You could lose your life, be molested, raped and attacked. And the Indian police will do little to help you or investigate the incident.
India’s police will most likely deny the incident and attempt to cover it up.
India’s tourism campaign is called Incredible India.
But the campaign might more aptly be called Incredible Murders, Incredible Rapes & Incredible Attacks.
A few months back, there was the case of two NRI girls being attacked in Mumbai near the J.W.Marriott Hotel.
Before that there was the case of foreigners being raped and murdered in New Delhi.
Now there is the tragic case of rape and murder of a young British girl Scarlett Keeling in Goa, which the Indian police initially tried to cover up stating that she drowned after taking drugs. It was only after the 15-year-old girl’s mother raised hell that a second autopsy was conducted and the truth about the teenager’s rape and murder came to light.
A Reuters‘ story quoted Goa’s Tourism Minister Francisco X. Pacheco acknowledging the murder of the young girl:
This is a clear case of murder and it has gone out of proportion because the police tried to cover it up.
India is already a miserable failure on the tourism front.
Already pathetic, India’s tourist inflow will further decline as news spreads of the heinous crimes against foreigners.
According to the figures from the World Tourism Organization, tiny Croatia got 8.47 million international tourists in 2005. In the same year, India got a piffling 3.91 million international tourists while its communist neighbor China got a whopping 46.81 million tourists. Go figure.
What a disgrace that the Indian Tourism Ministry spends millions on “Incredible India” ad campaigns (including ads on NYC buses as above) but fails to ensure basic safety or infrastucture for tourists visiting India.
How far this is true :?
Well there lies the culprit .... Do we have any defined rules in terms of safety n regulations ..... I will not agree tat India does not care about the tourists ... it is somewat money minded but still we dont wanna get a bad name ......Quote:
What a disgrace that the Indian Tourism Ministry spends millions on “Incredible India” ad campaigns (including ads on NYC buses as above) but fails to ensure basic safety or infrastucture for tourists visiting India
Sometimes ... its evident that we lack care in ourselves ... its not a place with 100 ppl where u can define whos wat n where etc ... and say go here go there ... take care .... Tis a giant land with overflowing population ... we just stop by saying BE CAREFUL - which is the culprit ... we must jump further to ensure that its been taken care of ....
well - its the ppl who have to change ... not Tourism / Govt or any other .... We have a RICH HERITAGE - but unfortunately not able to make them tourism oriented .... as we dont give much importance to that as an individual !!!!
Regarding Kushboo controversy I had posted an article elsewhere, 'Much ado about nothing'- That was what it was! To take tinseldom seriously is a joke!!!
ajithfederer, have you not come across news of many incidents in which foreign tourists indulge in debauchery, exploiting our minors, hapless maidens etc?
Sometime ago in the advice column of an Indian blogging site a girl asked if she may consent to her boy friend's insistent desire to have sex. A majority of the many replies advised her against premarital sex. An indicator we are not in a hurry to jump on to the bandwagon! Heartening, isn't it?
Giving piece of advice is the most happiest thing somebody can easily do :-) When it comes to them .... if they are ready to put their feet and say :-) i decided it this wat -> well tats wat i would really call decision making -> straight from the heart ..... !!!Quote:
Sometime ago in the advice column of an Indian blogging site a girl asked if she may consent to her boy friend's insistent desire to have sex. A majority of the many replies advised her against premarital sex. An indicator we are not in a hurry to jump on to the bandwagon! Heartening, isn't it?
May be those who said to her - would have said in the agony that they werent in her bf's place :lol: - u could always hear in the crowd ppl saying that - "do u think i would have left her in a dilemma ? " :lol:
cmon maam ... I respect ppl who really have their heart in responded to her question ... but i see that the percentage would have been very less :-)
hardening ;-) not heartening though!!!!
hmn .... tats a strong comment to make :-) !!! In TN ... :-) Tinseldom rules ;-) dont they ???? We have a lot of ppl from varied industry mergning into the field of Tamil Cinema and many from the industry who have gone to varied fields :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
I see the Tinseldom in TN atleast .... has its root in the very core :-)
It needs to be reiterated that our place has not become totally a bedlam! Occassionally we hear heartening, boosting news like the principal of a college in our state capital who put his foot down on a matter of dress code in the case of a 'forward-thinking' lady from the tinselworld. Ah! Who cares a hoot if she huffed & puffed!!!
Pardon my curiosity ma'm but who was this 'lady'? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Not Kushboo again!
Don't you feel it is hot enough now? Why aggravate it? :D
The intentions of my previous posts were not to slur our epics or the characters in them.
The epics were brought in just to point out that failed marriages and out of marriage relationships were prevalent in our society for long.
And the main point I wish to make is that, in those days we did not have women emancipation (comparable to the current levels) and no major influence from the Western society.
So it would be wrong to blame the problems on ‘The West’ or the ‘Feminist’ movement.
The feminist movement in India has come a long way in making sure that at least a portion of the women have access to fundamental rights like education. Much has been done for women empowerment, but there is still a long way to go.
We still have female infanticide and with technology it has developed into female foeticide.
Even for women who have access to same right as men, discrimination is a way of life. The Chennai buses are a good example.
Under such scenario, it would not only be faulty to blame the feminist movement or women emancipation (whatever you like to call it) but would seriously damage the cause. After coming so far, it would be a shame to fall back for all the wrong reasons.
We (Indian society) have our own share of skeletons in the cupboard. The skeletons are coming out, because the cupboard is being opened with a key (feminism).
It would be wrong to blame the key. It would be convenient to blame the West for our skeletons. But that is not going to clear the cupboard, is it?
Quite interesting to go through the posts about the cultures of the West and ours. I'm reminded of one incident which happened a year ago in Dubai.
It was a Mother's Day and a colleague from the US asked me if I had called my mother that morning. I told him that I didn't. He was surprised and started explaining me about motherly love and how I should take care of my mother. I started explaining him that I loved my mother, but he could not understand me.
Then I asked him how often he called his mother and he told me, "Every Mother's Day I call her and wish her. Last year I even took her for dinner".
Now I was shocked and told him that I called my mother almost everyday and I did not need a special day to SHOW my love to her. Also I told him that I was going to Bankok the next day and I might visit her if I get a return flight via Chennai.
Then he asked me in disbelief, " Do you go and meet your parents just like that, without any prior notice ? What if they have any other engagements ?"
I told him that I would go to my parents any time I wanted to and most of the time it would only be a pleasant surprise for them.
Then he told me that he had to inform his mother well in advance if he wanted to meet her, so that she could plan accordingly. He also told me that he hadn't seen or talked to his father in years.
And at last he said, " You are indeed very lucky to have such a nice family."
Good that in India, we still do not need any Mother's Day or Father's Day !!
How relevant or frightening are those skeletons now, after so many centuries? What is happening NOW in our shrunken global boundaries? How are we tackling our problems, challenges & ordeals? Who is against women getting educated? Who is talking about keeping women slaves? ( It was our Big Brother who shipped Negroes from Africa & ran a flourishing slavery trade to sweat in the hot zones cultivating cash crops like cotton!!!)
In true sense of Bharathi's puthumai peN we want our women to 'kaathalan oruvanai kai pidiththu avan kaariyam anaithilum thOL koduththu' enjoy life on earth. To take intelligent decisions, to share domestic administration, to make life enjoyable & happy for herself & her family. Not send children to creches, elders to old age home, join the rat race & become nervous wrecks & physical patients. Not to take divorce as a taunting tool or a cowardly, arrogant convenience indulging in pure egotism. Not to try 'masculine' sensual weakness out of pure adventure & mistaken sense of freedom( No one is here condoning men's 'weakness'! Men who have the courage of self-restraint are the real heroes, any day, anywhere!) Idea of marriage is a beautiful, complex concept with mutual duties, expectations & rights. Sex is one of the many things shared by the couple. Sex does not exist outside marriage, before marriage. But the world is rocking on titillations, cheap pleasures, sensual gratifications with no moral responsibility whatsoever. consumerism, materialism, epicureanism at the peak! It is difficult to just sit & watch your world crumbling down! It is inhuman, unnatural! Of what use is our sixth sense? Do we discriminate? Are we discerning? Are we behaving differently from beasts?
AhAh, one excellent post from PP:-)
(BTW, my assamese friend often ridicules me after reading somewhere that "koththadimai" is still being practiced in TN and I had to be defensive. sondha oorilEyE slave is as bad as slave captives taken abroad)
Now, to summarize your above post in one word - "What are the values today for people and who sets it (or what should be the values / authority for values)". Do you have an answer PP mam (without resorting to attack on people outside your borders)?
:clap: @Punnaimaran! I am overwhelmed by your post! Almost choked to tears! How beautifully you have showed by relating an incident while I am here crying myself hoarse with no effect at all!!!
app_engine, your posers baffle me! I have had the notion of such things being inherent, subconscious, unspoken lessons/edicts, automatically absorbed, embedded in our lives! A scientific world, a dissecting approach, a black-white written programme- are all very distasteful to my temperament! I believe in intuitive understanding, empathetic communication & emotional bonding more than dry, practical treatises. Can't help it if you will brand it as escaping!!!
>>I have had the notion of such things being inherent, subconscious, unspoken lessons/edicts, automatically absorbed, embedded in our lives<<
Per your own acknowledgement in the previous post, the above "embedding" does not seem to happen. (You're asking whether humans are behaving as beasts and wondering about the world crumbling down). So, what's your suggestion / methodology to make such "embedding" happen and the world won't crumble down?
By preserving the family concept! Living as married couple, bringing up children, father & mother setting example of womanliness & manliness, the right & wrong, tender love & strict discipline sweetly blended, training the children to respect elders & themselves , nurture in them civic sense, prioritising ability, faithfulness, honesty, unselfish affection, a correct sense of values which are to be devoutly followed. Consideration for others, sharing what must be shared, fairness in desires, demands, compulsory obedience to pursuance/furtherance of the good of the family. The responsibilities of man & woman- man as a chivalrous person, woman as a motherly person- are the pivot of meaningful living within the beautiful, civilised, restrained bounds of marriage. nallathoru kudumbam palkalaikazagam.
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I always enjoy reading the beautiful English.. apt-worded deeply MEANINGFUL Expressions... by Ms PP Madam.
Her unique way of handling the matter in the right emulative HUMANITARIAN APPROACH...
...as clearly laid down already by the Advanced Concept of the Global Mankind...
..further strengthened by practical demonstrations...
...more by actions than by words of Literature and Culture of the Traditional India...
..especially the Tamilian-culture spread over the World... is quite impressive.
Just one Unparallel Tamil-Proverb..." YAADHUM OORAE YAAVARUM KAELHIR"
..must alone suffice to fathom the depth of Humane spirit ...
...and the extent of its Widest spread in the Global perspective.!!!
I will be happy and thankful to Ms PP Madam... if she can make it possible...
..to write a Serial Article under the Title:
. Human-Values for the Modern World
..in our monthly Hub Magazine.
It can have the WIDEST REACH...
...as she may prefer her Unique Humanitarian Thoughts...
... and Valuable Social- concept to serve its due purpose EFFECTIVELY.!!!
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>>By preserving the family concept! <<
Fair enough, good idea. Since this process involves millions of people, that too of a wide variety, aren't some minimum principles needed as standards? My previous post was as to who is qualified to give these principles (again on what basis) and also has the power to make sure they are followed?
If they are not relevant now, then why are we discussing failed marriages and out-of-marriage relationships?Quote:
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By blaming the wrong sources ??????Quote:
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We can pretend that Indian society did not do know abt 'slavery' and treated all human beings as equal or should I rephrase that to 'all men as equals'Quote:
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Hmm domestic administration... equality within boundaries? Was that the concept of Bharathi's puthumai peN ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Creches and Old age homes are failure of our society's flexibility as a whole and not because women are liberated. Better maternity leave options and flexibility at work place to accommodate family can be a start.
To quantize with an example, if a women starts working in a man only office, the management must make sure that there is a ladies restroom. And this accomodation should spread to other areas including maternity leave.
Self-restraint men are heroes, but self-restraint women are way of life. Talk about equality !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Good questions Are we looking in the right direction for these answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
:ty: Sudhamma! I am overwhelmed by your compliments. Since I am reiterating my beliefs in all my writings I feel no necessity to start a separate serial for them. Having already earned the nickname of avvayaar in Hub I have no intention of sounding didactic with more harangues!!!
app_engine, as for your persistent question about who is responsible for laying down principles - it is a combined effort: like charity it begins at home, to be inculcated by parents, elders; by society, in its codes of behaviour, judiciously adapted as the times change; by government, by regulating marriage laws & associated concepts, by not giving legal status to 'living together', 'homosexual marriages', stringent rules against adultery, untenable reasons for divorce, more strict enforcement of female infanticide/foeticide laws, dowry control, domestic violence, censorship of unhealthy relationship portrayals, obscenities in MEDIA etc.
dsath, we are going nowhere quoting outdated stories; let us take good samples of conduct in old literature & ignore extinct customs. My personal opinion is woman's place is home, her forte is homemaking, why should she strain beyond her realm? As for your grievance about difference about what self-restraint is for men & women I can only say it is a simple truth that both are 2 different species endowed with different traits, entrusted with different responsibilities, expected different capabilities from, automatically different yardsticks for assessment of results!!! This 'equality' is a much maligned, misunderstood term. Both of us have understood Bharathi's character of puthumai peN differently? :wink: :huh:
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I wish you reconsider the TRUE SENSE and high difference between your present form of delivery to the needy...Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
..and that I suggest you to have a NEW DOORWAY.!!
If anybody has nicknamed you as Avvaiyar... I don't find anything wrong in it.
In fact... in a good spirit.. I say... You DESERVE it. Yes.
Avvaiyar is Saraswathi Awathara.. the Greatest pride and privelege of Tamilians.
She was NOT AN OLD LADY... although appeared so... as she preferred to have...
...by the Grace of her Ishta-Deywam Vinayaka.
She was an undisputable leader in every and all respects.
So all these pride and attributes go to you too.!...
... Yes. It means so.!!!
..Nothing to feel ridiculed or mocked at or decried.!!!
I would suggest you.. to feel free and bold to go ahead on what you feel right for Yourselves...
..irrespective of others Comments.
Vaazhndhaalam Yaesum.. Thaazhndhaalum Yaesum..
...Vaiyaham Idhu thaanamma.!!!
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In fact... in a good spirit.. I say... You DESERVE it. Yes.
Avvaiyar is Saraswathi Awathara.. the Greatest pride and privelege of Tamilians.
PP maam, Though a couple of times i ve been kinda confronting on talks(yaarum madhichadhilla :P ;-) :lol:) .... i ve always relished and stood gaping with amazement at your knowledge and the way you deliver......
:clap: you are good guide and an inspiration :-) :clap: again !!!!
Thanks for this Sudhaamaa ji ..... :-)
:clap: Excellent PP ma'am. As you have rightly said, the human values are to be felt, not framed as commandments.Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam