Hearty congratulations Karthik (inetk) !
thanks,
Krishnan
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Hearty congratulations Karthik (inetk) !
thanks,
Krishnan
Ajanta Audio...well provided theres some interesting situations in the movie which produced raa gumma raa in anumanaspadam..then we might as well look forward to BGM scores..the directors of ajanta seem to be IR respecting rather than demanding also :cry:
after Mayakannadi... I have very little hopes . IMO lets keep our fingers crossed and hope we should be saved from the jarry synths...
I have been a regular visitor of TFM since 1999 every raja album receives such reviews when it gets released and after few months the views gets a U turn and gets all praises from almost all, Mayakannadi will also get the same, Ulagiley, Konjam Konjam and Yele ne enga vantha will be praised NOTE down
So the bad reviews are normal than....well to tell you the truth i like mayakannadi album especially ulagile azhagi and yele yengey vantha....perhaps the other bad reviews made me feel negative..whatever the songs coming for ajanta..we all are assured of good interludes and preludes thats for sure..:P
What to expect from this film ?
Everybody is unknown to us except IR. I am afraid that IR's effort will be again wasted as we saw in Manasellaam, Konji pesalam, Manam virumbudhe unnai, Kaadhal Rojave etc etc.
Rediff reviews Maayakkannadi:
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2007/mar/15ssmaa.htm
thanks,
Krishnan
See the title of the review. Though it is true, it shows rediff's attitude towards IR's music.
Any info on the audio sales ?
Inimae Naangadhaan in April
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/29918.html
Nagu.
After a long time, 3 movies of IR releasing in the same month ? MK, Ajantha and Inime Nangathaan.
btw..I read in Hindu Friday review that Prathap Pothen is going to direct a film with Madhavan as hero. Will he go to IR as usual ?
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After a long time, 3 movies of IR releasing in the same month ? MK, Ajantha and Inime Nangathaan.
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Nothing to be very happy about...MK is bad, and IN is nothing to rave about...Hmm...I just remember 1982 deepavali when NizhalgaL, and Eera vizhi kAviyangaL hit the screens...Just think about those songs and these...Has Raja really lost it ?
No... he is not going to do with IR.... :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
the music will be by Shankar, Ehsaan and Loy..
Though I hate to tell this, I have nearly lost all my hope and confidence in Raja. He is obviously losing his touch. Call it his lack of involvement or inspiration. When he could churn out hits after hits for average masala films in 80s, why can't he come up with quality music for the few movies he sign nowadays. Analysing in chronological order, even for the directors who work only with him now and for whom Raja also holds respect, like Fazil, Balumahendra, the songs he give are sub standard (leave out the exceptions, I am comparing with previous projects).
Listening to Maayakannaadi, I was frustrated. I pay Rs.95 for this mediocre album. He signs only 2 or 3 films a year. Can't he do justice to them?
Recently I read an interview of Vidhu vinod chopra, speaking about RD Burman. At one point of time, all RDB's compositions were flops and he became so insecure that, trying to keep up with trend, he made further worser compositions. Vidhu vinod chopra had counselled him, gave him all the time and confidence and RDB came out with 1942 Love story, which was a huge success and RDB went to grave with pride. Some how I was reminded of Raja.
Can't he make a Collosal leap and like a sphinx , can't he give us a Huge Musical treat?
Vignesh, I agree with you. He doesn't have that much work load and why is he doing this to people who place faith in him?. when he displaced his contemporary musicians didn't he know that he has to keep up with time and has to constantly give out quality music?. I have lost all hope in him, and i realise that it is futile to keep expecting that he will give out some quality stuff in future albums. Atleast he should listen to his son's music and understand that his style of music(if you call that music) has gone stale and people don't like his preaching or his voice over on songs. I felt like barging on to the stage of the music release function and then venting out all his fan's anger. Is there somebody who is nearer to him whom we can report our concerns?.
For the past 15 years(ever since roja was released) he has been promising his so called musical feast and we are the ones who have been disappointed continously.
Down with the maestro(This is coming out of a fan who has been listening to his music for the past 20 years). There would be movies where every IR fan would think, oh if only IR had done the music for this movie. I don't think anybody should even hope for such an hypothetical situation any more.
ramki, vignesh etal, Raja is not God . He is old and it is impossible to recreate magic. Let us accept the fact and move on to the current breed instead of flogging a dead horse
IR does need someone/script to inspire him - for all the relative junk he does, how did he manage to give "Mumbai Xpress" - most likely it is the Kamal factor!
at this stage, he is not going to work with any of the biggies! so the only way I see IR coming up with something absolutely pathbreaking, would be when someone in the younger crop, as TALENTED as Kamal, works with him!! which is something that is doubtful! I cannot think of anyone in the current crop of filmmakers, with a passion-commitment plus knowledge of cinema and music in the league of Kamal! therefore, no point in expecting some great stuff!
unless of course, ppl get together to lure him to an artistically lucrative and viable project to enthuse him, I dont see much ahead either!
IR is known for natural and soul touching music with long interludes and variations.You wont see any artificial sounds there.
You can't expect that type of music today.Even if he does something like that,most of you will call it outdated.
His case is the one like Sachin.People expect a lot from him.whatever he does,people won't be satisfied and would always complain while they would praise a 40s and 50s from a newcomer, they would not praise a sachin 70 or 80.Same is the case for IR.
People who are so called IR fans seem to be making some ridiculous statements here.
Vignesh, IR has not lost it. As i said earlier IR is no longer in that Age or at that stage of his career where he would give hits for even average masala movies. Why dont you guys understand this? Just because he does only 3 or 4 movies (which are basically average movies with directors who have either lost their touch or do not know how to extract good stuff from IR at this point)does not mean he will be inspired to give great music. At his age and his stage of career he needs more than that to be inspired to do good music. Ofcourse he has given some wonderful stuff still like Mumbai exp, Virumandi which are brilliant scores. So as long as there are movies like that we know that IR will come up with the good stuff. So there is no reason to be down on IR. by the way Balu Mahendra and Fazil have lost their touch and do not produce the same quality of movies anymore and its hardly suprising that IR does not get inspired to do more with their movies. remember the last Fazil good movie Kadhaluku Maryadhai - had great IR music.
Ramk1: your views seem to be really ridiculous asking IR to listen to Yuvan is the stupidest suggestion i have come across. IR's music is not jaded maybe ur taste has become jaded. So what does he learn from Yuvan? how to remix old songs or where to copy songs from?. IR is too good for that. His music is a contemporary as it can be for the right movie/director. As for IR not giving musical feast after 1992. you must be either deaf or not listened to any songs. Anyone will list the number of brilliant numbers IR scored during that period. Pl do not post such silly stuff.
thumburu - raja is not god - but creativity has no age bar! in fact, many of the great composers (not the masters from the bygone centuries) in the West, actually mature only when they reach the age of 60 and then on, only get better! IR belongs to that creed!
Konjam konjam is very impressive indeed :)
older age is not an issue at all, because some month back the same person has given mind-blowing siva. At the same time, age factor will reduce the speed of IR not the quality, I believe.
I think, MK songs not for his HC fans, it is for normal people.
My comments are not ridiculous. Asking IR to listen to his son's music is not ridiculous at all. Few years back, IR and ARR was compared by Madhan in his kelvi badhilgal in AV. He aptly summarized how a genius works. During the formative years, learning would be more, listening to contemporary music would be more, and the eagerness to create and excel in one's musical output would be more. But after certain time, the eagerness dissipates, one begins to think his creative musical output is the best. I feel IR is in that mindframe right now. All i want him to do is, just sit up, think that his output is not all that great, and create good music that's all. He may be a genius, but how long can one keep praying that he would come out with a good one which would be atleast 50% good in comparison to his peak time songs?.
I think you are missing my point here. what i meant by IR being at this age is not that he is too old to compose good music. What i meant was at this age he is not too driven to compose great music for any average movie or situation as he would have in his peak time. This i think is a natural progression for any composer or artist. While his skills or knowledge/creativity is in noway diminished, his desire or enthusiasm to drive himself to create great scores for every average movie is no longer there. But again his average score is still much better than the kuthu music being dished out by some md's today. We just have to listen with an open mind and not constantly expect great stuff or try to compare it to his other hits.
ramk1: Where did you come to the conclusion that IR does not listen to any contemporary music or artists? I bet he does more than you and i can think of(I bet he listens to Rahman numbers since he hold him in high esteem). and by the way Yuvan has not reached that stage where listening to his music would be called listening to quality modern music.That does not mean that he should make his music trying to sound like the them. He has his style and he always trys to implement modern sounds without disturbing his signature style. That is the mark of a great composer. He has composed quite a few great songs during the past decade or so. I am not sure why you are not able to locate them. Maybe you need a list of them to listen to . Then you will stop this ranting i think. listen to Raa Gumma song from the telugu movie Anumanspadam movie and then you will realize how IR has implemented modern sounds to his signature style to come up with a stunning number. also listen to Dheemi Dheemi song from hindi Shiva movie. Another stunnig modern and stylish number. So pl stop this ranting and enjoy his songs with an open mind.
Sometime back there was a thread in the DF that asked for suggestions for a new IR album...and among many suggestions, one was to pick & tune old Thamizh literature and orchestrate...Obviously that thread was not the direct reason why IR did TbI, but it definitely (well, kind of...) reflected the nature of attempts that could inspire him to score some good music (which he REALLY did in that acclaimed work).
Rather than too much worrying about his movie projects and lamenting, what I would do is appreciate the couple of sparks here and there (like dheemi-dheemi in Shiva or the addl. arrangements that vidiya vidiya got in jOsh mEin or the beautiful ending of ninu vethiki vethiki choosi etc.) and be happy about it. And listen to his classics for most of the time (or listen to other sources like "smooth jazz" FM, munbE vA, aRiyAdha vayasu...)
I haven't listened to MK as I don't have real player installed...so can't comment now...However, going by the statements in this thread, it's mediocre (or probably more retro)...The least IR can do is to listen to his hardcore admirers in just one aspect : "PLEASE DON'T SING MORE THAN ONE SONG IN ANY ALBUM!"...it was OK during his prime to do more numbers. It'll be considered overdose now.
IR still has many years of good music in him, to score real classics and he is definitely not too old to compose. It's good that he does fewer movies, but should do more instrumentals (whether they are received well in market or not). They'll speak more about him in generations to come as he is a real master in that! What about a "piano main" or "guitar main" kind of work (Like violin in HTNI and flute in NBW)?
Prasad, why are you using rude words?. I am trying to post my views and i don't think i am against anybody personally. I am not pointing you are wrong. I am just saying what i feel.
I do accept that he has produced few gems over the past few years but again what i am trying to say is with his level of creativity and his genius, he can come up with better output. An output which we IR fans can rave about. There has been only 'thiruvasagam' which was a complete album and apart from that, there has been an occassional drizzle here and there. That's what i am not able to accept. He was the same guy who elevated 'poonthotta kavalkaran' movie to great heights and he was the same person who gave 'kaattu vazhi' in 'andha naal nyabhagam'. The reason iam mentioning poonthotta kavalkaran is because, the movie was a dud and all the songs were good. But the recent 'andha naal nyabhagam' had only one song that was good. PK's music was scored when he was having 20 films in pipeline and ANN was scored when he had hardly 5 movies on hand. If he does not have his creative trigger any longer in film music, then as a musical genius, he should embark on initiatives which sustains his creative output. There were people who waited in line to get his 'thiruvasagam CD' and people still whistle when his name appears on theatre screens. For those fans of IR, he should produce 1 complete album with his soul stirring music for which he is famous. I don't want to hear just a sample of it in 'Dheemi Dheemi' or in 'Kekkalayo' song occasionally.
rprasad, If you happen to know someone close to IR (I suspect so, going by your postings), why don't you please take up the sincere suggestion to do an instrumental album with a main lead instrument (as suggested in my post above and not movie OST)...minimally orchestrate around the main melody being played by that instrument...I'm sure it'll be a channel to his creativity and we'll get a real treasure for years to keep...(For that matter even if the main melody is one of his yesteryears' movie song's tune, it'll still be worth the effort...as this work would ensure a long life for the original song and can happily be showcased to our friends of different nationalities without any language barrier...)
app_engine
The songs have come in www.musicindiaonline.com.
So you can listen there without real player :)
As mine is the same case as urs, I listened to the album quite late after those incisive remarks on the album.
My 2 cents :
IR's song - "kadhal illatta" is a good song with lot of meaning. As I like all songs with IR's voice, I somehow liked it. It may not be as melodious as other songs such as "marathai vachavan", it is still a good song.
Konjam konjam - a melody - but sounds like "enna solli" from en mana vaanil.
Oru mayalogam - a very pedestrian effort from IR. Just no point beating about the bush here I suppose.
Other songs are not very catchy - and I lost patience here and went back to listening to his "oru kunguma chengamalam" from Aaradhanai.
As I have already stated in this thread here, this over the hill IR looks like a totally different avatar from the one in 80s and 90s. It may not be entirely due to senility, but also could be due to lack of motivation.
Ramk1, I did not use any rude words. But i apologise if you felt offended. I was only trying to explain the difference in IR from now vs IR in his prime years.When you compare the output from Poonthotta kavalkaran and the songs in Balu mahendra movie of recent times. you have to understand again that IR was in his prime and was very much striving to make his mark in the music field and was fill of enthusiasm and vigor and hence the output was good even for a dud movie(atleast most of the times). But now even a Balu mahendra movie unless its a good one(like Marupadiyum which had excellent songs)it does not excite IR anymore and for his friendship sake with BR he gives one good song like a teaser and then gives average stuff for others. BR again falls into the category of too much respect for IR and does not push IR at all. Now come to Kamal, he is an interesting guy and is not afraid to challenge IR with his ideas(i think that is the case). So IR does get excited for his movies(some of them atleast) and gives some nice wholesome albums like Hey Ram, Virumandi and Mumbai Exp. We need more directors like that(Mani would be one if atall he can find a script for IR as he claims) if you want to hear real creative stuff from IR in movies any more. I agree that he needs to do more non film stuff to satisfy his creative talents.
app_engine,
I do not know anyone personally who are close to IR. I know some people in the film industry(who are related to Ram Gopal verma who made Shiva). I also agree with your suggestion that IR should do an Instrumental album. Just listening to his BGM's gives me an impression that he can compose excellent non western classical music peices as well as the fusion pieces he did with how to name it or nothing but wind. I do suspect he is planning to do something . I cannot imagine him being sitting idle just doing the odd junk movies. I guess he has to recover from Thiruvasagam and then recharge himself before launching another album. But i can certainly try to get the message across to him if possible through my film contacts.
Prasad. Thanks. We are all venting out our disappointment over IR's current movie. that's all. Just because he has influenced us with his music in our formative years, we feel more closer to his music and are eager for his music. if he disappoints, we are upset and feel that he has let down his fans. I also feel, that there should be one director who has the respect of Raja and yet possessing a contemporary style should work with him. And IR should also have the inclination to come out with a product that would satisfy the appetite of his music fans. if not a film album it could be an initiative like 'TIS'. Otherwise over time, the praises heaped on IR(during MK music release) would become false adulations. How muchever we respect him, there should be atleast 1 person who can get nearer to him and vent out all our recent disappointments and make him know what his fans want. Hope that happens. I cannot wait for my entire liftetime for his so called 'feast'.
All that Ilayaraja has to do:
1) STOP SINGING - that includes his daughter
2) Get back to his strong point -orchestration
3) Give us songs like "Onnu rendu moonu naalu" from Dharmadurai. What a song man!!! I donno how many would have realized the amazing orchestration - especially the prelude. I want that Raja back!!
What happened to the trumpets, the bass, the flutes and the violins?? His sync music is just plain jarring, to say the least.
I share your pain fellas, he just keeps disappointing with his mediocre stuff, and he needs to be watchful of his jalras and use common sense. Does he seriously think movies like "Madhu" or even "Ajantha" will stand even 10 days in the BO?
Thank you Vem for the link.
Actually I liked some of the songs (may be because I started with very low expectations):-)
'ulagilE azhagi nee dhAn' is nice...(edhu first? idhA `ninu vethikki vethikki'yA?)...There are some differences in orchestration between the two versions. The opening prelude is much better in MK (actually awesome) and so is the 2nd interlude. Overall, the Thelungu song is more polished...Vijay sounds more like his dad in this song than in any other, IMO. My pick of the album.
'konjam, konjam' is sweet to listen too...though the orchestration shows Raja's total lack of interest in this 'basic love feel song':-) pazhaya notes edhAvadhu eduththukkoduththiruppAr, then the "arranger" would've done the rest...
I liked the 'Oh my love, love' part in the mAya lOgam song and also the voice of Manjari...sweet...
Songs sung by Raja may be situational and reflect some old time period in the story...should wait and see the movie...
Remove the superlatives that people shower on Raja in such audio releases (don't even look at it as a Raja album but an average TFM album)...then perhaps we can enjoy a couple of songs...
guys - i gave MK a second listen - hmmm.. this is my take:
the 2 nos by IR by all means will become popular in B and C centers! donno why am saying this, just my gut instict!
'ulagile nee' has a great prelude, really good interludes, but the whole tune definitely gives me 'deja vu!'
'mayalogam' has interludes tat only show shades of IR's stamp, much of it has a 'B-grade' TV serial music feel
overall, the music, though might not appeal to HCIRFs, could very well become popular - not the way IR's yesteryear classics became appealing to HCIRFs and also the not-so-HCIRFs, but still popular
and perhaps 'just popular' is what Cheran might have planned for, and IR delivered just that -
guys - lets keep aside MK - here is the link for the Hindi version of "Katril" from Jhonny
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/musi..._director.504/
IR has introduced some subtle changes towards the end of the charanam tune, and Asha Bhosle's rendition is sweet (if not as good as that of SJ in the original)
and the instrumental choice is so contemporary as well!
Another blogger's review of MK album:
http://mkarthik.blogspot.com/2007/03...post_1754.html
Saw the new trailer of MK
quite interesting.... :cool:
it is better to listen in head/ear phone
so many echo technology almost in all the songs
in Konjam song, between karthik & shreya there was a competition? surprisingly both have won in their own way. especially karthik while singing "Kathal ulangalin thunbam poga hey hey" and shreya while singing "Chelam chelam" (how sweet her voice)
ithey paadalgalai vidyasagar allathu veru yaravathu potirunthal ingu paadal sari illainu sonnavargal rasithirukkalam. because we expect a lot from IR
Now, my cellphone ringtone is "Oru Mayalogam" :cool: nice tune for ringtone
dont apply your great music listening knowledge to MK song