The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

Can God be CURSED by anybody...?... And Can God DIE.. ?

Yes... both these mysteries have occurred in Mahabhaaratha... in case of Lord Krishna.. who was cursed by Gandhari... which had befallen on Him and His posterity innocently...

And this is the only Awathaara... where God Himself DIES during the Awathaara.. that too a cruel-death !!

How then Krishna deserves to be named as God or God's incarnation?

A Punyaathma or a Saint cannot be cursed and if cursed ... it will boomerang back on the Curser.... Then about God it is needless to say.. that it will definitely boomerang by the multifold degree.

But it has not... in case of Krishna .. Why?

Until Mahabhaaratha War... Krishna was immaculate... free from even the least extent of Sin.

Whereas... after Krishna received the Sins and Virtues of Karna...as Dhanam... Krishna became a Paavi (Sinner)... similar to any Ordinary man on Earth .

So Curse can reach an ordinary Man Sinner... easily...the dire consequence of which had to be unduly faced by Krishna... just because of His good intentions to save Karna from an indefinite stage in between Life and death on Earth....

But for Krishna's grant of Mukthi to Karna... he would have been rotting on Earth as a handicapped... Valetudinarean... with the support of a littlle quantum of Punya(Virtues) he had gained on one side...

...alongside the comparatively large amount of Sins on the other side...

Such grave sins since taken over by the God Krishna... He had to die out of Cruel punishment as an innocent victim for an inadvertent hit by a hunter

Thus God Krishna had sacrificed Himselves... just to save an INNOCENT AND IGNORANT Criminal Karna.. basically a Noble-Man.

Sudhaama Sir
Is not Krishna's death also a part of HIS divine play? When he felt the need to leave the earth, he shed this mortal body.As per the law of Karma, the hunter who shot the arrow aiming at Krishna's toe was Vaali in his previous birth.Rama killed Vaali by foul play and he too had to die likewise according to Law of Karma.

According to some versions of Ramayana, Rama too died by committing suicide by jumping into river Sarayu.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

Can God be CURSED by anybody...?... And Can God DIE.. ?

Yes... both these mysteries have occurred in Mahabhaaratha... in case of Lord Krishna.. who was cursed by Gandhari... which had befallen on Him and His posterity innocently...

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yes this happened after the war, when Ghandari, dhiritharatchar, kunti and lord Krishna visits the battle field, and ghandhari was very upset by seeing many perished bodies, and the weeping of all the widows, mothers,..etc.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

And this is the only Awathaara... where God Himself DIES during the Awathaara.. that too a cruel-death !!

How then Krishna deserves to be named as God or God's incarnation?

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yes, but GOD has taken an avatar as a human, his death proves that no body escapes from the vicious cycle of Karma

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

A Punyaathma or a Saint cannot be cursed and if cursed ... it will boomerang back on the Curser.... Then about God it is needless to say.. that it will definitely boomerang by the multifold degree.

But it has not... in case of Krishna .. Why?

Until Mahabhaaratha War... Krishna was immaculate... free from even the least extent of Sin.

Whereas... after Krishna received the Sins and Virtues of Karna...as Dhanam... Krishna became a Paavi (Sinner)... similar to any Ordinary man on Earth .

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Yes, one becomes a sinner, when one deprives the property of another

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Originally Posted by viggop

According to some versions of Ramayana, Rama too died by committing suicide by jumping into river Sarayu.

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Yes, I saw that bit Ramanad Saagar's Ramayan, but I did not know Rama Committed suicide :shock:

"viggop"

//....According to some versions of Ramayana, Rama too died by committing suicide by jumping into river Sarayu.//

Oh ... how painful it is to hear this sort of CHEAP look ... on the Divine-approach!!!.... Similar outlook may also give a like-meaning that Seetha jumped in Fire..... Twice.... to commit Suicide!!!"

According to Valmiki... Rama invited all the people who were with him... including the whole lot of Ayodhya people... asked them to PURIFY themselves... by getting the ablusions with the Punya-Nadhi Sarayu River...

... and Rama bestows all of them Mukthi / Moksha... the Liberation from further births....

Except Hanuman... who wants to preferably SERVE in Earth... continuing his duties for the Devotees for EVER...

And Dasaratha... deemed UNFIT at that stage... for Moksha... but only SWARGA..

... followed by subsequent Rebirth on Earth... to clear off his Karmas. during Rama-Awathaara.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

"viggop"

//....According to some versions of Ramayana, Rama too died by committing suicide by jumping into river Sarayu.//

Oh ... how painful it is to hear this sort of CHEAP look ... on the Divine-approach!!!.... Similar outlook may also give a like-meaning that Seetha jumped in Fire..... Twice.... to commit Suicide!!!"

According to Valmiki... Rama invited all the people who were with him... including the whole lot of Ayodhya people... asked them to PURIFY themselves... by getting the ablusions with the Punya-Nadhi Sarayu River...

... and Rama bestows all of them Mukthi / Moksha... the Liberation from further births....

Except Hanuman... who wants to preferably SERVE in Earth... continuing his duties for the Devotees for EVER...

And Dasaratha... deemed UNFIT at that stage... for Moksha... but only SWARGA..

... followed by subsequent Rebirth on Earth... to clear off his Karmas. during Rama-Awathaara.

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Yes, sudhama sir is correct, viggop, the whole of ayodhya went along with Lord Rama.

Sudhama sir, I am asking you this many times,please reply to my PM regarding bhramins, Your message was not intended for me, but some one else, but accidently, you have sent it to me, for which I have replied, so please kindly reply back, thank you.

Thanks Sudhaama for this clarification. Sorry if I had pained you by my meagre knowledge and false interpretation of the story.

Is .Sarayu-River. of such a SANCTITY to get PURIFIED from ALL Sins?

For this Question our Acharyas render a beautiful reply. Worthy for Human-Life.

If we want to get milk from the Cow we can get it ONLY FROM ITS TEATS. And Nowhere else even though the Milk is the Transformation of the Cow’s Blood spread over its whole body.

Similarly even though God’s every part of His Body is Holy for us we can get His Grace ONLY FROM HIS HOLY-FEET.

Krishna says in Bhagawad Geetha

Sarva-dharmaan parithyajya …“MAAM-YAEKAM SARANHAM” vraja
Aham thvaa Sarva-Paapaebhyoa Moksha ishyaami MAA- SUCHAHA.

to mean “ When you are placed in such a GRAVE SITUATION unable to decide what to do LEAVE IT TO ME by Surrendering at my FEET. I will save you from ALL YOUR SINS and also ..Liberate. DO NOT WORRY .””

… A High Sense of Hope and Assurance… by God to Humanity.

Same sense applies here in case of Rama who took all his family –members as also the Ayodhya People along with Him to Sarayu-River…. by Leading them

… Rama FIRST walked into the Sarayau-River… then… STANDING WITHIN Knee-deep water . addressed all His followers

… All of you Come Now… take BATH in this Punya-Nadhi which will purify you free from all Sins thus Qualifying you to attain Mukthi / Moksha following me thereto.

How could He say so?... Because Rama was standing on the River-bed.. His holy-Feet IMMERSED in Water

Because of contact of His Feet with the water while the people concurrently take bath His Grace reaches them to purify free of Sins.

Thus all the people could get QUALIFIED to accompany Rama to His Abode Vaikuntam.

The Secret behind “Mukthi” Liberation from SINS and Cycle of BIRTH or..

while under. UNSURMOUNTABLE DIFFICULTIES in Human-Life.

Sudhaama,

In mahabharatha there is a sequence when Hanuman meets Bheema.. Can you elaborate on the significance of this meeting? Also, I read somewhere that Hanuman and bheema were almost like brothers (hanuman was born to vayu & bheema was born by the grace of vayu)...

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Originally Posted by Thiru

Sudhaama,

In mahabharatha there is a sequence when Hanuman meets Bheema.. Can you elaborate on the significance of this meeting? Also, I read somewhere that Hanuman and bheema were almost like brothers (hanuman was born to vayu & bheema was born by the grace of vayu)...

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Yes, Lord Krishna wanted get rid of bheema's ego, so during the Pandavas's vanavasa,
he resquests Hanuman, to take an avatar as a very old & weak monkey, so hanuman ji did
and was sitting , under a tree, bheema came in contact with him, and he had to cross hanuman ji,
bheema full of ego, starting saying how greater warrior he was and this old monkey does not know him and respect him,
all hanuman ji said was, I am an oldand weak monkey, I am unable to get up, please move my tail and go pass me, bheema thougt that a greatest warrior like him was being insulted by an old monkey.
so he got angry and tried to move the Old monkey's tail and he could not even move it at all, he realsied that this monkey is indded a mahaatma, and appologises for his sin and hanuman ji shows his true form and blesses bheema.