New albums of Harris Jeyaraj

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Originally Posted by cadburyboy

simple comparison:
18 Vayathil-kadal konden(the opening)
http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000468.html

Maramkothiye-Ah Ahh(the opening)
http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000690.html

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well dude, i dont know whether u or me/dinesh have problems here?? :D ......that KK and AA loops are totally different......they are just beats set to same tempo........

Cadburyboy, the complaints that we have on HJ are not loop level......we know tat using same loops is not a copy.......we know that very well being ARR's fans.....my complaints on HJ:

1. y hasnt he bought a new sound to TFM like ARR did in 92??? when there was so much difference between IR and ARR, y isnt there so much difference between ARR and HJ sounds??

2. The resemblences are not just loops betn HJ and ARR, sometimes they are tunes as well.......tunes,arrangements - listen to "kannai katti kolladhe" from Iruvar and "love pannu" from 12b.....y the same beats and same trumpet bits in interludes?? now thats something irritating...

3. his songs are repetitive.........his songs always have a "already-heard-effect"........his rythms,arrangements, always seem to evoke same feel as his previous songs........

more importantly, dont take comments on HJ personal and to counter that dont make personal comments on us like clearing my ear dirt, calling dinesh cheap etc........ :D ......chillax, v r going to comment on HJ and not u, same way, i know u r going to comment on ARR and not us..... :D

songs can heard at www.tamilmp3tracks.com

I don't like the songs.

Maddy i have never denied that HJ inspired/copied arr...What made me 2 post my comments is because of some unconsiderable post by some members.....wel, to start of with some1 claimed that HJ has stealed arr's tune...u know wat tune????its VASEEGARA..he said when arr wanted 2 take HJ to court, HJ paid arr 30-40lakhs(nt sure the figure) for that thing...what a crap indeed...i denied with a fact..if i dont have fact then i wouldnt have bothered 2post...wel,maniratnam in his interview once quoted that when he askd arr 2 compose a tune for a particular scene in alaipayuthey, he presented both snegithene and vaseegara tune...this is true...he said vaseegara was the tune HJ composed when arr askd him to compose 4 d same scene..but mani sir choosed snegithene tune..later when HJ parted with arr, he bagged minnale project...he contacted arr and askd the vaseegara to be used in minnale..arr said, its ur own work and u could have it...the rest is history...

In another interview by H.Sridhar, he said HJ has helped a lot in arr compositions..being a keyboard player and programmer, he was allowed to improvise on certain tunes..not only that, arr treat all his team as a composer and not simply some1 who plays the notes..he always encourage his team 2come up with something better or improvise the tune that he composes..if he satisfies, then he'l accept it..Even MD.Rafi who sang Jumbalakka song said he has helped rahman to compose a particular tune in En Swasa Katre..It was a radio interview on THR Raaga(Malaysia Tamil Radio Channel)..H.Sridhar also said that in Thiruda Thiruda, the Veerapandi Kottayile yodelling was HJ's idea to arr(this is not a created story but based on what i read)..im sure sum of u must have read it..the interview was published on Hindu.net...

so, when ppl bash HJ without knowing the truth, thats wer al started...i have nothing against arr as i ws his fan b4 HJ..till now i enjoy his songs..Coming back 2 HJ&ARR, one has 2 understand what is beat, what is programming in composing tunes, the capacity of a instrument and many other aspects...we can easily fine similarities with the beats...gud example:Ace of the base and telephone manipol...there r goin 2 b a lot if we compare everything...

On ur part saying kannai kathi kollathe song and love pannu song has the same trumpet in the interludes, i feel(of course its clear) its not the same...if u wan listen again frm 2.12s-2.29s(KKK) and 2.37s-2.52s(LP)...

On saying HJ repetitive, yes i agree...he sounds repetitive..he's not he is forced 2do so but he wants it in that way...He said it in the TV interview for Deepavali 3yrs back...again even ARR was also askd about his repetitiveness in Junior Vikatan:-
Q : When IR was in top of music indudtry., he did music for 4 or 5 films at a time., but he was able to show some variety in songs. none of his 2 songs released at same time will be similar. But u r doing only one film at a time, u take lot of time but the final result -- ??
almost of all ur works look similar! Why this happens ??

A : This may be due to the fact that i use same set of instruments in all songs with different combinations !

Damn! everytime new HJ album out, must be some war going on here..
anyway i'm enjoying the song..
whoever want to fight keep on fight.. :hammer:
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Unnale Unnale - A decent album

Mudhal Mudhalaha rocks!

This is another blatant piece of lift from So Jaaon Mein - RKRathod Woh Lamhe for Vaigasi Nilave-UU. I came to know about this song from itwofs top 7 recent lists turns to one of my alltime favs. Tabla beats is throughout the song and the charanam part is a ripoff. Please check

Damn!
SJM - Woh Lamhe
Ist Charanam Middle: Hota se Mere at 3.09 Sham Savere Tabla beat
http://ww.smashits.com/music/hindi-f...woh-lamhe.html

Vaigasi Nilave:
Ist Charanam Beg: Toor Vaanam ena at 2.00 Tabla beat is ditto

Same way:
IInd Charanam Middle: Tu Mujko Chaaho 4.42
IInd Charanam Beg: : Nool Aadai ena Tabla beat is ditto Mel Aadai ena

Let me listen to other tracks... [/u]

"In another interview by H.Sridhar, he said HJ has helped a lot in arr compositions..being a keyboard player and programmer, he was allowed to improvise on certain tunes.."

Interesting tidbit. ARR, however, claims that Harris worked with him for four albums only. Given that Harris worked in Mudhalvan, did his association with ARR stretch as far back as 1993?

Secondly, your above observation subtly hints that Harris might have been the innovator of several interludes in ARR albums. How about the following example?

Listen to the song Musthafa Musthafa (Kadhal Desam) from 3:58 to 4:18. The guitar bit. Now move over to the song Azhagiya Theeye (Minnale) from 1:41 to 1:55.

Both bits are uncannily similar. Do you have any knowledge whether Harris contributed to this number in kadhal desam?

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

Interesting tidbit. ARR, however, claims that Harris worked with him for four albums only. Given that Harris worked in Mudhalvan, did his association with ARR stretch as far back as 1993?

Secondly, your above observation subtly hints that Harris might have been the innovator of several interludes in ARR albums. How about the following example?

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tis is rubbish.....ARR has proven beyond doubt that he has given better songs now than in 90s........where did 93 thing came here??? my uncle knows HJ thru a frnd and he was pretty jobless till 97 or 98 and used to frequent my uncle's frnds' shop........i'm sure he wasnt associated with ARR during those years......just like u cant believe that HJ stole ARR's vaseegara, we wont believe that HJ was architecht of many ARR's songs.......

Also, will u give credit to ARR for punnagai mannan, Agni natchithram scores to ARR bcos he was the addnl .programmer?? 8-)

cadbury, if u dont find similiraties betn Kannai katti kolladhe, Love pannu - then i guess our musical idelogies are totally different.....also, ARR has changed his sound a lot and innovated a lot during his initial days......
i havent seen a bombay theme yet from HJ or for that matter a duet or rangeela too in his first 3 years......also, he has not created earth quakes like Chikku bukku or Urvasi or a muqbla??

yes, we are talking abt a multiple oscar nominee, after all...... 8-)

[quote="Scale"]This is another blatant piece of lift from So Jaaon Mein - RKRathod Woh Lamhe for Vaigasi Nilave-UU. I came to know about this song from itwofs top 7 recent lists turns to one of my alltime favs. Tabla beats is throughout the song and the charanam part is a ripoff. Please check

Damn!
SJM - Woh Lamhe
Ist Charanam Middle: Hota se Mere at 3.09 Sham Savere Tabla beat
http://ww.smashits.com/music/hindi-f...woh-lamhe.html

Vaigasi Nilave:
Ist Charanam Beg: Toor Vaanam ena at 2.00 Tabla beat is ditto

Same way:
IInd Charanam Middle: Tu Mujko Chaaho 4.42
IInd Charanam Beg: : Nool Aadai ena Tabla beat is ditto Mel Aadai ena

Let me listen to other tracks... [/u][/quote

Oh..scale...The tabla beat is the prob rite?????wel, again another comparison:-
1.What about the tabla beat that comes throughout the song Kunnurupuchatti in Velai composed by YSR and Dolna song beat in Parasuram(Some might claim this ws composed far early)

2.What about Naadhavinu(Thirupugazh) and En veetu thoothatil....Both carnatic rite?????tabla beat us usual rite....

3.Vaanthin meethu(bu Ramalinga swamigal arutpa) and sowkyamaa kanne(sangamam)

4.This one is the another one(not tabla)...listen to Thump of Daud Mission impossible theme music....

5.Someone quoted about interludes...yes its same as kadal desam one....so, wat it is?????u should compare Amutha song interlude and Amelie movie tune...what a lift!!!!!

"Someone quoted about interludes...yes its same as kadal desam one....so, wat it is?????u should compare Amutha song interlude and Amelie movie tune...what a lift!!!!!"

You are asking "so what?" ?

This is significant because IF Harris was not the contributor of that bit but used it in one of his songs he certainly becomes culpable of lifting. Even more significant in light of this conclusion is that his admirers cannot anymore take refuge in the excuse that Harris worked with ARR and so contributed these bits, which he is reusing.