Nandhalala : Myskin

rprasad - u have a valid point - what bemuses me is when IR was doing some 30-40 movies a year, his outputs like Agni Natchatiram, Poonthotta Kavalkaran etc had good recording, whereas now, when he is doing relatively fewer films, the sound quality has gone down as compared to even his earlier outputs! maybe he doesnt care much these days - but he has to - am sure that noone is better qualified than IR when it comes to estimating quality of 'sound', but times have changed and perhaps he simply doesnt bother to use latest sound engineering techniques - am not sure how updated the Prasad Studios recording equipment are, but my wild guess is that Panchathan or even Kothandapani recording equipments are state-of-the-art

One thing is genuinely - the sunth beats he uses in Oorndhu and the glide and voice mastering for his own voice in the same song - sounds good to me. It kind of adds a 'waltzy' feel to the song. So there could be a genuine 'deliberate' though behind that 'sound' . So at the end of the day - you either like it or not. I dont buy the notion of doing extra smoothening or altering to sound like a 'ARR song' or 'Yuvan song'. I hope u guys get the drift. With Respect to Nandhalaala - it is the sound track of the past 5 years for me as far as the melody and the 'feel' aspect is concerned and that alone is worthy of writing hundreds of pages on it IMO.

Let's not make excuses for when IR uses cheap synth sounds. He simply hasn't mastered more modern use of technology in his music, which is understandable because he is of a different generation than his sons, ARR, etc. I don't know if he just doesn't listen to modern film music and doesn't know how dated those sounds are or what. IR's forte is real instruments, and when he sticks to that he still produces good to great songs.

As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

is "mella oorndhu" based on same raga as "niram pirithhu" from TIME ? and "oru vaandu kootamey" the same raga as "kaakkala kannamma" from Yathra Mozhi ?

the prelude flute of "onnukunu" is something I have never heard from IR before (the mallu effect is predominant here) and the beats/rhythm have a 'ghatam' like sound in it! its this IR we have been missing for a long time

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Let's not make excuses for when IR uses cheap synth sounds. He simply hasn't mastered more modern use of technology in his music, which is understandable because he is of a different generation than his sons, ARR, etc. I don't know if he just doesn't listen to modern film music and doesn't know how dated those sounds are or what. IR's forte is real instruments, and when he sticks to that he still produces good to great songs.

As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

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your posting is perhaps best left unanswered for its tone of condescension and below-the-belt intent is shamelessly apparent

so what are you ? a B.Tech in Modern Sound Technology from Indian Institute of Modern Sound Technology, eh ?!

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As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

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:lol:

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As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

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No your esteemed sirs!
We eat good food sitting in tea kadai bench. we are pretty much like that only.
you are the guys trying to fit in to a 5* restaurant thinking of 'how to sound 'in' '

I think the flute phrase in Kai veesi pallavi sounds like the end piece in the bit song Aasai raja aararo (Moodupani). Anybody can see the similarity? Also the flute type sounds Chinese.

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Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan

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As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

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No your esteemed sirs!
We eat good food sitting in tea kadai bench. we are pretty much like that only.
you are the guys trying to fit in to a 5* restaurant thinking of 'how to sound 'in' '

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All your comprehension skills be damned when it comes to IR. Unga manasula irukradha pathi mattum thaan yosipeenga, aduthavanga enna solla varaanganradha purinjuka mateenga.

I thought Dragon's analogy was quite apt. Perhaps you will understand in Bharathi's words

"nalladhOr veenai seidhey, adhai nalan keda puzhudhiyil erivadhundO"

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Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan

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Originally Posted by Dragun

As for recording quality not being important, would you serve a five-star meal on paper plates and say, "just concentrate on the food?"

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:lol:

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No your esteemed sirs!
We eat good food sitting in tea kadai bench. we are pretty much like that only.
you are the guys trying to fit in to a 5* restaurant thinking of 'how to sound 'in' '

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All your comprehension skills be damned when it comes to IR. Unga manasula irukradha pathi mattum thaan yosipeenga, aduthavanga enna solla varaanganradha purinjuka mateenga.

I thought Dragon's analogy was quite apt. Perhaps you will understand in Bharathi's words

"nalladhOr veenai seidhey, adhai nalan keda puzhudhiyil erivadhundO"

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Our comprehension skills are very much intact.
If you go back this thread a few pages, you can get the drift of discussion clearly. All aspects of this 'soundu quality' have been covered.
1. Financial aspect: Raaja -despite being a genius and all that doesn't charge what other music directors charge. most of the other MDs charge mainly to buy latest computers latest programs, train people staff etc., this aspect also has been covered in this thread by Mr.Judge. Prasad studios has not updated its computers for sometime or trained its staff offlate is something that has been accepted - though not in enough words to make you jump with glee. Add to that there has been to and fro between IRIR and c_rajkumar as to the quality of sound - even the accoustic ones in Kamal movies - The reason being Kamal invested significant portion of money to recording the albums, BGM and took care to present it equally well.However the marketing strategy of Virumaandi and MEx were quite puzzling and that has been done to death
2. Aesthetic aspect: This is where we have been discussing where you guys came in and asked 'saappadu paper plate analogy'. The context has been totally missed. For a given financial params Raaja gives an output that is commensurate with the requirements of the project and within the financial boundary. Unlike elite composers of today charging more - the director of a low budget movie approaching raaja knows that Raaja will lift the movie with BGM (even if it is recorded in non Dolby or non DTS and with probably one flute and two violins) and if you care to see his discography the past 5 years - more songs of his went directly to mp3 discs than exclusive 90 Rs CDs recorded in 256 track DTS. For Nandhalaala BGM too he requested Mysskin's permission to get 3 musicians from Budapest unlike star music director studio where a singer turns up at 3AM sings one alaap for some movie she doesn't even know for 30 secs in a song. However if you care to rewind back to 1999 when a non descript producer by name kandasamy made a movie with some unknown Bala as director with songs that didn't sound million bucks in a discotheque, and songs that pretty much contained the same melodic electric guitar (some guy asked me why doesnt he let the guitar a riff and that cool sound!!) and synth beats that sounded the same (part of reason why some genius review blogger says it is outdated - but pleasant???) and yet what impact was delivered was on a cost effectiveness and ROI scale gargantuan!!! Music is different from sound - though music is made of distinct sounds!!! So there is no reason for anyone to teach Raaja of all people how to record a sound.

As a corollary - The inside of Sony studios our raaja also knows. Though he did not go there to record Nandhalaala or Naan KAdavul - the likes of it can be done pretty much within the walls of Prasad studios. He went there for something much grander and much more important - for Thiruvaasagam!!

The ears can become tainted and biased with 'sound' reviewers - but not your senses and heart. If you go by that token, you will never apply the analogy of 5* food in paper plate. Some of the best experiences in life are free - like the priceless words you are reading now!!! Raja served it up even for person with no peengaan plate to eat. Travel outside chennai in a bus and you will stop in wayside motels in Krishnagiri where the blaring latest iPOD hit will sound the same as 'mama mama konjam podi kodu'. Jeevan of the song is more important in a film song and that is what is intact in an album like nandhalaala.
And the teakadai bench guy in village has no iPODs or CD players. they dont buy CDs and complain that the synth sounds are outdated - That is because they have from days of GRamanadhan and MSV known to filter 'sound' 'gimmick' from 'Tune' and music.

one more thing - some one was involved in the experiment of ripping Thiruvasagam off all voices and just extract instrumental tracks for God knows whatever reasons. However if they do the reverse for Raja's songs they will appreciate the point. So as an exercise for them, let them rip off the 'Onnukkonnu thunayirukkum' song of all the priceless bits of instrumental music and just listen to the naked tune in yesappa's voice - the power of Raaja's music will be evident.