IR Compositions: Lyrics and Situation

The writer mentions that he is not focussing on ir in this song. However his part is there in the delineation between the tune for venkatesh(reverent, uptight, classical) and the one for bhanupriya(free flowing, carefree, folkish) which represent their mind states at tha point of their life

Out of turn, I was listening to Oru vaandu kootame from nandalala - the lyrics are no great poetry by any stretch of imagination, but they are at such a simple level complementing the music which tries to 'sound' simple and kiddish It is like a hand and a glove stitched for it. Perfect match...

True Plum. Subtly done but generally Raja is even more subtle :) He could have easily used either of them as a separate song. I generally feel that the number of ideas that Raja gets into one song is phenomenal. When I hear the latest songs of various MDs, you can see that the whole song is based on one catchy idea and the rest come more as fillers!! Good for the MDs that people are satisfied by that one idea, whether it be an original one or transposed from somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Going through the discussions again, I think one point out discussed is that there are lyricists in other languages who are equal or better than vm. We tend to overrate vm. A sirivennala sitaram sastry is no less. I can talk about this now since I have now learnt telugu almost as well as tamil. Even veturi, who is kind of the vaali equivalent has some great lyrics for Raja. If you take Swathi Muthyam, the telugu lyrics sparkle in comparison to the tamil version. Vm oblivious to the situation and the characters, uses "varam thandha saami" when a brahmin character is unlikely to use the word "saami". And the telugu lyrics sit on the tune much better. I am not sure if it was veturi or sastry who wrote for swathi muthyam.
Even granted the limitations of dubbing lyrics, vm has done a poor job there. Same with saagara sangamam. I quote this because vm fans have the habit of ubbishing javed akthar for dil se lyrics in comparison to uyirae trying to imply that vm is the best in india. I am not that familiar with malayalm to talk about mallu lyrics but the way the words sit on the tunes, I do think raja has had some good mallu lyrics too

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No one is saying VM is the greatest poet/lyricist in the world. (unlike you claim IR is the greatest in the world). As far as I know Gulzar is equal or better than VM. But VM is a better lyricist than IR. And IR does not want to work with talented lyricists like VM. It is again and again proven and told by many people that IR is not a team player. (latest being Pazhassi Raja controversy). It is either his way or no-way. Accept and move-on!!

genesis,

This is the problem. There was strictly NO CONTROVERSY in IR's speech. It was there on youtube for any person to see.

That some idiotic political elements chose to twist his innocent speech, for their own presence in the news is the problem.

Definitely IR was not to blame in this case. Period. In the case of 'Adhi ushus', he did tune to the pre-written lyrics of ONV. Where was he trying to twist the hands of the lyricist? He was just boasting of himself in adding the "feeling of loss" by his composing, to a lyric that had "military march" sandham.

That way, VM had problems with ARR also - supposedly the holy cow when it comes to relationships / humility etc. WHY?

App, leave it. People who haven't even listend to the speech are trying to settle old scores based on reports :lol:

To vm fanatics who are trying hard to tarnish raja desparately
In your own idol's words:
Pazhaya bAkki irukkudhA
AiyAa(kkaL) manasu thudikkudhA?

genesis,

I would have argued with you but for this statement, "As far as I know Gulzar is equal or better than VM". My personal feeling is that Gulzar, in film music, never touched the heights that VM did. Suffice to say, app_eng has clearly given what the problem is in arguments that you come up with. You assume that everyone else is as pure as the 'jibba' they wear and only Raja is not as pure. Once you try and find out the behavior of your idols honestly, you will find that you can easily accept Raja's behavior as well.

So ahead and tell me what you consider are the bad points with Vairamuthu.

genesis,

I find that we are in agreement. You agree that VM is not the greatest lyricist in the world and we agree that Raja is the greatest MD in the world :lol: Peace.

Since i am unaware of the genius of VM, i wont comment on VM vs Gulzar issue. But i always felt that it has been gross injustice to put IR's miniscule (but grand) Hindi repertoire in the hands of Sameer (Hey Ram, Cheeni Kum). I mention these 2 films because:

1. Hey Ram had a partition angle to the story and Gulzar had himself written poetry/short stories on Partition issue, which has been one of his muses.

2. Cheeni Kum - This whole concept of Love doesnt know age and old man falling in love with a middle-aged lady is new and it is Gulzar's territory. He did a terrific job in the song "Dil Tho Baccha Hai Jee"(film: Ishqiya, music: Vishal Bharadwaj... give this album a listen...it is a brilliant soundtrack,ignoring the remixes). The premise of Cheeni Kum and this song's lyrics match so well that Gulzar would have really elevated or complemented the music by soaking the music in much more sweeter thoughts/wordplay. Not this song alone,but as such, gulzar has a fine understanding of deeper human emotions, subtleties and relationships. And his flair for putting across those sensitive images is stunning and unique. I really missed Gulzar in Cheeni Kum.

Govt of India announced Padma Bhushan for IR today. It is an honor to the award.

app_engine and plum,

I am not a VM fanatic. I am more angry with die-hard IR (DHIR) fans than IR himself. It is a clear fact that IR does not want to work him VM for some reason. To justify that lot of DHIR fans have made fun of VM. I do not think it is fair. That's all.