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Both wonderful but I seem to prefer Amirbai's version. I do not know the exact word but there seem to more life and spirit in it through out, Shamsad Begum's is a bit flat in a few places. Thanks for a wonderful song.
Has anybody posted Lata's ' eri maito prem divani' from Nau bahar. I like it more than Geeta Roy's version from Jogan though I normally like Geeta Roy's songs more than Lata's
Taxi Driver - Jeye To Jaye Kahan - Talat Mehmood
Music Director: S.D Burman
Raga Jounpuri
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XLhptDlJN0
Thanks to Vinatha man for reminding me of such gem :D
............of course, you like Malkauns! :) Here is a song from Opera House(1961) to dance to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tk5mIR8kWM
I made a quick and rough post linking to some articles un Upperstall covering the evolution of Hindi film music from thirties to fifties. I have no expertise in this area, do not even know Hindi except for a few words, but immensely enjoy sons of this period partly because my mother used to sing them. Here is the link
http://gaddeswarup.blogspot.com.au/2...steryears.html
raj sir,
Thank you for Naghma song; kaahe jade kiya. Both versions were good. Sorry, I don't understand why you said 'lyricist did not like Amirbai's version'. Those days, lyricist chose the singers too? Please enlighten us. Also thanks for Chitragupt classic from Opera House. I have not heard much of Chitragupt, except Alibaba aur chalis chor, mien ladki and few more. He has a different style. This classical song definitely is different from other of his period.
Apart from that, I wanted to convey and understand the 'sandham' part in hindi songs. Many times I see (even the old hindi songs to today), based on the tune and sandham they try to fit in the lyrics, even if it does not fit exactly. Like for example this song, there a line 'jadugar balma'. But she sings 'jadu' as a separate word and 'gar' as a separate word. Similarly 'baalma' is a word. But they break it into 'baalu' and 'ma'. There are many such examples. Another one that comes to my mind is 'Aap ki nazron ne samjha'. But when they sing, they sing like 'aapu ki nazuron ne samjha'. They add a 'u' extra whenever the sandham does not fit into the tune. It does not sound glaring when we just dissolve in the tune, but when we closely hear the lyrics, sometimes I get distracted by these and looks awkward. But when we speak like that colloquially adding 'u', it clearly sounds that we are not from North and alien to that language. But it is fine when you sing that way. There are lot more like this. I have not seen much like this in our lyrics, except in recent times. Just wanted to convey this since I was having this doubt for a long time.
Sunil,
Terrific selection from SDB; Jeye To Jaye Kahan. My favorite. I used to also listen to Lata's version of it. Thank you. All songs in Taxi driver is masterpiece.
Swarup,
Thanks for 40's classic; Inhen logon ne. Great song by Shamsad Begum.
Here is a song from Mirza Ghalib(1954) by Suraiya:
Yeh na thi hamari qismat............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzi5ifhNSz0
This is a popular ghazal sung at a faster pace.
Here are a few singers at slow pace:
Tina Sani, a Pakistani singer in Darbari kanada:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Tcno3ZQ4w
Habib Wali Muhammad, another Pakistani singer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiEL_sSsQDA
Farida Khanum, another Pakistani singer in Bageshri:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUQ253pSObs
Begum Akhtar:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oh2KBWWcI1s
Rafi:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g7T_8fvZjYs
Noor Jahan:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZKect_7OrTg
There are a few other singers. I will post their renditions later.
Have a ghazal filled (Memorial Day) weekend! :)
V_S: Adding vowels at the end of a word or between adjacent consonants is permitted in Hindustani classical and Hindi movie songs to fit the tune/ragam and thaalam. Long time back I discussed this with a linguist. He said that it was bacause they had difficulty with double consonants. They have a name for it, I forgot. That is why swarna (Sanskrit) became swaran. He gave me some other examples. Splitting words is also permitted. In fact, something similar happens in carnatic music. There is a Harikambhoji composition - dinamani vamsa tilaka......lavanya. They will sing it as 'dinamani vamsa...........tilaka lavanya'. In spoken language it is unacceptable. In singing it is fine. In the composition 'samaja vara gamana...' saama nigamaja sudhaa maya becomes saamani gamaja.... These are not that bad. Current crop of singers mutilate words. I won't go into that. What is worse than changing 'bhagyadha lakshmi baarammaa', a Purandara Dasa compostion to 'bhagyadha lakshmi paarammaa'! :lol: More later.
Enjoy the ghazals! I like them! :)
Classical music competetion from a Pakistani film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxW3wFGfQEc
Priceless gems! :clap: Thanks raj sir for Ye na thi hamara qismat. I liked Suraiya and Noor jehan's version very much. Can't believe one single Mirza Ghalib's composition can be sung in different raagas like these. How flexible it should have been. :notworthy: Thanks for explaining about the consonants aspects in detail.
Back to Pankaj Mullick and K L Saigal. From the film My Sister (1944). Some peerless and timeless ghazals in this film. The youtube audio quality is not quite good, but mp3 versions online are quite good.
First one, Aye Qatib E-Taqdeer Mujhe. It seems this ghazals was hugely popular and celebrated. One of K L Saigal's best. Hear how the melody was constructed by one and only Pankaj Mullick. Brilliant! The melancholy is transported from KLS to us instantly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLNDMWhQUD0
(little clear version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hn4jQ9WqaJM)
Next one, Do Naina Matware from the same film. The beginning sitar tugs our heart strings. While the former is about pain, this one is very light to our hearts. Hear how baritone K L Saigal goes and within seconds goes high. Just the beginning tune for the first line is enough to rewind, it is that sweet. There is also Pankaj Mullick's (singing) version in youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_URwqxX5lE
Listening to these compositions is itself a big gift. These compositions does not only belong to earth, but also to heaven, which is very rare of todays' songs.
Another song from Mirza Ghalib:
nukta cheen hai gham e dil........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRtiZTTIyio
By K.L.Saigal in Yahudi ki Ladki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozY5ItOpLsA
By Noor Jahan in another movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6CdkNOxVug
I chose a song from 1954 because it is a special year for me. 1953-54 was a memorable academic year for me. That was my final year in high school. I sat for the statewide school final known as Secondary School Leaving Certificate (SSLC) examination with a letter from a doctor certifying that it would not affect my health adversely because I was underage (avasara kudukkai :lol: ). In that examination I came first in the school, first in five of the seven subjects including Tamil for which I won a gold medal, one sovereign worth (called savaran or pavun for pound in Tamilnadu). If I remember correctly a British sovereign sold for Rs75 those days. I hear it is about Rs20000 now. I still have that gold medal. It will be a heirloom.
Avvaiyar, a Tamil movie with K.B.Sundarambal in the lead, was released that year (1953). That was the only movie my father accompanied me to the theater. He left at the interval asking his clerk accompanying us to take me home after the movie. I also attended my first carnatic vocal concert by K.B.Sundarambal. I still remember the main piece- Rama nannu brovara. She repeated the line 'neppulakai kanna thaavu ...' several times. Next day I sang that line to the amusement of my classmates! :) Avan, dubbed version of AAH was released that year. That is my most favourite Hindi movie ( for the songs). Another memorable event was watching the drama 'KaLvanin kaadhali' by T.K.Shanmugam brothers. It was made into a movie later with Sivaji Ganesan in the lead.
I acted in a Hindi skit ( Don't laugh ! :) )
Above all my first story was published by KalkaNdu, edited by Tamilvanan. I sent (posted) the story and told my friends about it. They started laughing uncontrollably. I did not know why? Then one of them explained that people who wrote for KalkaNdu were twice or thrice my age and there was no chance of my story being accepted. But, to my surprise, the story appeared in KalkaNdu a few issues later. It was time to rejoice with the three rupees reward promised by Tamilvanan. I waited for two weeks for the money order for three rupees.
It never came. Then I wrote to Tamilvanan, with no response! :( Next time I visit India I will stop by KalkaNdu office and demand that three rupees with interest for nearly sixt years! :lol:
Will somebody do the calculation and let me know how much I should ask for? :)
( I am sure all of you have memorable years. Time to record it for your children and grandchildren! :) )
Have a good weekend! :)
Rajraj,
What a coincidence. I too passed S.S.L.C. at the same time, underage and first in the class. I too used to sing songs from Premalekhalu (Telugu version of Aah). But the rest of the story is tragic. One of my older cousins told me that I should sing in private and killed my singing career. I got gold medals later but they turned out to be plated. Anyway, here us a song which I heard much later. about 1970, and which I have been listening to recently. Apparently, it was a private song ( with her husband Kamal Dasgupta composing the music) and was used in a film in the fifties. I cannot find it but there is a morphed version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQpd...eature=related
Kaml Dasgupta himself was good singer, there is very nice Bengali song from 1942 'Katodin dekhini tomay' on YouTube.
raj sir,
Congratulations on becoming school first! It was wonderful to read your school day memories and your first publication, listening to Mirza Ghalib's Nukta cheen hai gham e dil. All three versions are competing to be the best. Thanks!
swarup sir,
Congratulations to you too! Thanks for introducing these unknown gems and also for introducing Kamal Das Gupta and Firoza Begum. What a beauty of a song and what a singing! I am now on searching spree. Thank you!
Surkh Aanchal Ko Daba Kar Jo Nichoda Us Ne
Dil Pe Jalta Hua Ek Teer Sa Chhoda Us Ne
Aag Paani Men Lagaate Hue
Aag Paani Men Lagaate Hue, Haalaat Ki Raat
Zindagi Bhar Nahin Bhoolegi
Mere Naghmon Men Jo Basti Hai Vo Tasveer Thi Vo
Naujavaani Ke Haseen Khwaab Ki Tabeer Thi Vo
Aasmanon Se Utar Aai Ho
Aasmanon Se Utar Aai Thi Jo Raat Ki Raat
Zindagi Bhar Nahin Bhoolegi Vo Barsaat Ki Raat
Ek Anjaan Haseena Se Mulaakaat Ki Raat
Zindagi Bhar Nahin Bhoolegi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drU9yX50g00
Roshan ji's fantastic once in a lifetime composition for absolutely marvelous poetry by Sahir Ludhianvi :notworthy: and rendered flawlessly by Rafi saab for perfect onscreen couples Bharat Bhushan and Madhubala. How the songs of love have been then, and how shattered now!
V_S,
Thanks. Kamal Dasgupta was the music director of Jawab (1942) and other films. There is a nice song "aye chand chup na jana" by Kanan Devi and many others in that film. There are several uploads of it which are somewhat scratchy; you may be able to find a good one. There are a few in the blog post
http://cinemacorridor.blogspot.com.a...-dasgupta.html
Regards,
Swarup
From Kagaz ke Phool
Waqt ne Kiya Kya Haseen Situm........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paAptFpHBm8
V_S: Thanks. When I was in high school my ambition was to become a writer like T.Janakiraman. When I went to college for Intermediate in Science I met three others with similar ambitions. We all wrote to different magazines. When I went to Engineering I had not time to write except for the annual manuscript magazine edited by a friend. Strangely, some of my engineering classmates remember me for my writing than engineering! :lol: Soemtimes I wonder whether I took the right turn! :)
Swarup: :)
Suraiya and Rafi in Naach(1949) :
Ai Ishque Hame Barbad Na Kar....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--5TkBmRag
I posted a few songs in this raaga earlier! :)
Have a good weekend! :)
V_S: The word my linguist friend used was "chandabangam". If singing the way it is written(pronouncing correctly) results in 'chandabangam'(affects chandam) the words can be altered adding vowels where appropriate or splitting words into syllables!
Thanks Swarup sir for sharing the valuable blog. I will listen to Kamal Das Gupta's compostion and also need to have it in my collection. These are the things which will be memorable when looking back after few years.
Thanks raj sir for SDB classic from Kaagaz ke Phool. Whenever I listen to this song, somehow I mistake Geeta Dutt's voice as Lata's. Her voice is so close to Lata in this song. Also only few times in that era, we can clearly hear the bass lines. This song is one of them. Also thanks for explaining the chandabangam. Chandathirkku bangam vanthuvidum. That's the point I am also deriving it. I get it, somehow these vowels congeals well with the hindi words, so it does look so awkward, but was just wondering, if they could have composed without using that liberty. Atleast in our thamizh film songs (in classical we have, because that's is more of singing skills rather than lyrical skills), I didn't find this much, may be it will look awkward, as the language is very strict?. It's good anyway not to take that liberty. :wink:
Regarding Ai Ishq Hame Barbad Na Kar, is it Darbari (Kaanada)? It takes me to Chinnanchiriya vaNNapparavai eNNaththai solluthamma. Great Composition by Husnlal-Bagatram.
V_S,
Of those Kanan Devi songs, I find the Bengali versions are better preserved and I posted some links in my blog
http://gaddeswarup.blogspot.com.au/2...evi-songs.html
Rajraj,
I do not know much about ragas. I started recognizing a couple of ragas but then decided that I just liked the songs, some of the MDs seem innovative use ragas in different contexts from which they were meant and sometimes even mix up ragas.
There is an interesting article about 'Lapak Jhapak' which links to a discussion about it in the Hub
http://www.svabhinava.org/abhinava/S...apak-frame.php
It also says "We have here an apparently bizarre situation where everyone is ravished by Lapak Jhapak and attributes its musical appeal to the sublime power of the underlying rāga, and yet there is little agreement and much confusion as to its identity!
Online listings of film music tend to classify this song as Darbarī Kanada or Miyan kī Malhār, though instances of its being labeled as Megh Malhār, Adānā, etc., or even “Jai Malhār” (invented solely for the occasion :-) ..."
Some of you might find these mixes profane, but it’s definitely a treat for the new generation. Personally, the way the sensibilities have been bridged is a true representation of the best of both worlds.
http://soundcloud.com/republic-of-br...nowhere-movie/
1st mix – Kabhi Kabhi
2nd mix – Chalte Chalte
3rd mix – Phoolon Ka Taron Ka
Refer to http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...l=1#post875516
Thanks swarup sir for highlighting this forgotten singer; Kanan Devi. After your post on Kamal Dasgupta and Kanan Devi, I am completely bowled by her singing and the innocence she brings to her voice. I was listening to Aye chaand chup na jana continuously last night. Brilliant ever! Even Lata ji has paid tribute to her by singing this song, but not even close to that innocence. Not to forget that 'Toofan Mail'. It seems it was so popular those days. Every song in Jawab (1942) is something we don't get to hear at all nowadays. I think they would have said the same thing in 60s too. As I think there is a huge difference in hindi films songs from 40s to 60s. I tend to favor 40s and early 50s mainly because of these forgotten/rare singers like K L Saigal, Suraiya, Kanan Devi, Amirbhai Karnataki, K C Dey, Kursheed, Zohrabhai, Noor Jehan, Uma Devi, Shyam, Timir Baran, Pankaj Mullick, Firoza, Surendra, Shamshad Beghum (and so on...) and for the composing syles being so rooted.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaddeswarup
I collected Jawab songs and tried to remove some noise to atleast be audible. Please let me know if the songs are from the film. I also heard some wonderful voices in PC Barua, Anima Sengupta and the composer himself.
http://www.mediafire.com/?avbp210kapk2w38
V-S,
Thanks. I will check it out. Actually I know very little about music, neither ragas nor film music. People like Rajraj seem to know much. I got interested in mathematics around 1957 and did not pay much attention to any thing else. But some of the songs I heard in forties and fifties mostly Telugu, some Tamil (I went to college in Madras),and some Hindi songs which I picked from my mother, friendsand Radio Ceylon stayed with me and now with YouTube, it is possible to listen to many more. Strangely, I find myself drawn to the same singers you mentioned. There are some articles on the evolution of Hindi film music in Upperstall, I posted the links in my blog
http://gaddeswarup.blogspot.com.au/2...steryears.html
Sometimes I go to old threads in the Hub which has a lot of information about old film music in various languages. Recently I found about Periyanayaki from one of these old threads.
I was searching for a particular song and I came across this song by Madhubala Jhaveri. Her voice reminded me of M.S.Rajeswari in Tamil movies.
From Dost(1954) -Music: Hunsraj Bhel
Dekho chanda se khelen sitaren..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyY-_wtG1Bc
Swarup: The song 'lapak japak' seems to be humorous song or a song in a comic scene. If it is so I would not be concerned about change in the ragas. Darbari Kanada and Adana are close ragas from the same parent scale.
Moving from one to the other is easy. Megh Malhar is from a different parent scale. It takes changing notes completely. I suspect the music director did it intentionally. Megh Malhar is sung to bring rain. Watching the movie will give some clues! :) I have not watched the movie. Some of the songs I posted follow the ragas faithfully.
V_S: I had lunch with my linguist friend today. He said some of the words used in Hindi songs are not used in conversations or writing - piya,sajan,saajan, sajni, sanam,baalam etc. Looks like they have a separate dictionary for songs in movies! :lol: In Hindustani music importance is given to raga exposition. In Carnatic music both raga and composition have equal importance because carnatic compositions are devotional. Nobody would think of singing the Tamil equivalent of 'kya karoon sajani aaye na baalam' in a Carnatic concert ! There are a few romantic compositions in carnatic classical !
raj sir, Thanks for taking time in clarifying my doubts. Now it makes more sense and I am relieved. :smile: But you didn't confirm the raagam of 'Ai Ishque Hame Barbad Na Kar'. Am I right or wrong? :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajraj
V_S: It is Darbari Kanada ! :)
Uncle
Neenga eppO hindi kathukiteenga ? :)
Thanks raj sir. Good to know that I am right. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajraj
Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
I took Hindi until I finished high school and came first in school in Hindi in the statewide examination! :)
Rajraj,
"Her voice reminded me of M.S.Rajeswari in Tamil movies." It was only last night that I was listening to her songs in Or Iravu.
I did not really check whether this is already posted in this thread. This is sort of national integration song from 'Hum Ek Hain' (1947) (Dev Anand's first film)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV7ZIogZ9vI
There are several other excellent songs in the film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV7ZIogZ9vI
A multilingulal song from Hindi film 'Teen Batti Char Rasta' (1953)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrTQ...eature=related
Oops, same song posted twice. I meant 'nadia kinarey' choreographed by Guru Dutt for the second one.
well done uncle :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajraj
"Mehdi Hassan: Pride of Pakistan, ghazal king of India"
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entert...e1-870970.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=4C03gLRHn6s#!
It is a great loss to the music world. Mehdi Hassan saab is an icon in music, mainly in ghazal world. What a sad day! :sad: May his soul rest in peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9PFe7aMbo
"Best Songs of Mehdi Hassan"
"Ghazal Maestro Mehdi Hassan is no more with us, but his golden voice and his unforgettable melodies will keep him alive in our memories. Here are some evergreen ghazals of 'King of ghazal'." (From The Times of India)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/e...s/14090864.cms
Mehdi Hasan. May his soul rest in peace.
Mehdi Hasan was considered to be one of the best exponents of Darbari Kanada in ghazals.
Here is a clip from Meri Pasand (My favourite) in Pakistan TV:
ku ba ku (also spelled 'kou ba kou' ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7mYWijfriA
Longer clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAA3n55wSd4
A short clip (about 6 minutes) with lyrics and a list of his ghazals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzkI2A8Gho
In the second clip he talks about Darbari Kanada and Jaunpuri, and sings in those ragas to show the difference and how you can move from one to the other. Darbari Kanada, Jaunpuri and Adana have the same parent scale. If you listen to these clips a few times you will never forget Darbari Kanada! :)
Have a good weekend!
A popular song from Malhar(1951). Music: Roshan
Bade armaan se rakha hai balam teri qasam..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shjfQSqswDU
The tune was used in the Tamil movie VaLaiyapathi(1952).
Kulungidum poovil ellaam thEn aruvi kaNdadhanaal.....
http://ww.youtube.com/watch?v=PIUTLcyYeP4
A Binota Chakroborty song linked here
http://gaddeswarup.blogspot.com.au/2...akraborty.html
Lapak jhapak from Boot Polish(1958):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3XCe4e2gc
A comment quoted made fun of the music director accusing him of drifting to other raagas in the song. I thought it was in poor taste. I searched, found the song and listened to it a few times.
The song is about water/rain and clouds heralding monsoon. The viewers identified darbari kanada,adana (from the same parent scale),megh malhar and mian ki malhar(from a different parent scale). Megh malhar and Mian ki malhar are called monsoon ragas that bring rain. The lyrics has words/phrases like 'aa re badharwaa', 'pani la', 'panghat' and 'barso' indicating water! After listening to the song I was convinced the comment was in poor taste. Obviously the person who made such a comment has no sense of humour, knowledge of ragamaligai used in carnatic music! :( I suppose that is freedom of expression in the internet age ! :lol:
This is probably the best comedy song in "classical style" !
Have a good weekend! :)
If you are interested in viewer comments:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ja3XCe4e2gc
Rajraj,
Thanks for posting the song 'Lapak Jhapak'. Even though it is an old song I found it only about five years ago listening to one of the cassettes I picked up in India. I was stunned and then called a friend to listen to it. He too was fascinated and it actually rained. Since then I have listened to it several times. I hesitated posting it since I was not sure whether it was posted before. Here is another MannaDey song (duet) which came out first in Telugu/ Tamil with Ghantasala. Both songs are in the link, I preferthe Telugu version nd again I am not sure whether it was posted earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRYB13mUW4
rajraj sir,
Thanks for introducing Lapak Jhapak. What a classy composition by Shankar-Jaikishan ji! Only Manna Dey saab can sing such classic. :notworthy: Luckily I have listened to the other song you posted by Roshan ji for Malhar. I am not a big fan of Mukesh's voice, but no complaints in his singing, especially the sad songs, he is the one to beat on emotions. This one but for a happy song, he did extremely well.
Swarup sir,
Beautiful songs. Thank you. As you said telugu version definitely stands out mainly because it was originally tuned for telugu nativity. The sweetness of the language and Legends Ghantasala and Balasaraswathi taking it further.
From Zeenat(1944):
Bulbulo mat ro yahan....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgOycsqF4bo
V_S and Swarup: You are welcome! :)
Preetam aan milo by C.H.Atma:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=153BNbmkf1M
This is not from a movie. But, Geeta Dutt sings in Mr and Mrs 55 (1955):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpGE8VSxhH4
This song has been sung by a few other singers. Here is one M.Kaleem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEe0v-yAk4
Have a good weekend! :)
( There are a few more Atma songs I like and will post them later.)