CTPT is by Gangai Amaran. No doubt
CTPT is by Gangai Amaran. No doubt
Sathyan Anthikaud writes about Raja :
http://www.keralaflashnews.com/sathy...ilayaraja.html
Quite interesting, coming from the #3 brand of MF field (after M & M) :-)
Here he talks about "kochu kochu santhOshangaL" composing session, for which a week's trip to Chennai was planned by him and Fazil warned him to be at the studio exactly at 7 AM :
My translation :Quote:
പറഞ്ഞതുപോലെ ഏഴിന് തന്നെ അദ്ദേഹമെത്തി. ഞാന്* കഥ പറഞ്ഞു. പിന്നെ പാട്ടുകളുടെ സന്ദര്*ഭങ്ങളും. അഞ്ചു പാട്ടുകളാണ് വേണ്ടിയിരുന്നത്. ധ്യാനനിരതനായി കഥയും സന്ദര്*ഭങ്ങളും മനസിലുറപ്പിച്ച ഇളയരാജ പതിനൊന്നു മണിയോടെ സംഗീത സൃഷ്ടി പൂര്*ത്തിയാക്കി. അവിശ്വസനീയമായിരുന്നു അത്. അഞ്ചുപാട്ടുകളുടെ സ്ഥാനത്ത് ഓരോ പാട്ടിനും അഞ്ചുവീതം വ്യത്യസ്ത ട്യൂണുകള്* . ഉടനെ ഞാന്* ഫാസിലിനെ വിളിച്ചു. ഫാസില്* അമ്പരപ്പില്ലാതെ പറഞ്ഞു. ”അതാണ് രാജ. വിരല്* ഹാര്*മോണിയത്തില്* വെച്ചാല്* സംഗീതമേ വരൂ. മനസ്സില്* സംഗീതം മാത്രമേയുള്ളൂ.”
As told, he reached exactly at 7 AM & I narrated the story. Then told the song situations. 5 songs were needed. After getting a deep understanding of the story & situations, he finished composing the music by 11 o' clock. It was unbelievable. Five different tunes for each of the five songs (i.e. 25 tunes)! I called Fazil immediately - Fazil replied without any surprise : "That is Raja. When his fingers touch harmonium, music simply flows out. There is music alone in his mind"
He ends the article this way :
"He has mentioned that when he didn't have money to get crackers for Deepavali and ended up replacing that with "tapping of tin box", it gave birth to thALam. It's not surprising that Ilayaraja can make a grand symphony. Reason? There's nothing but music inside him!Quote:
ദീപാവലിക്ക് പടക്കം വാങ്ങാന്* കാശില്ലാതെ തകരപ്പാട്ടയില്* കൊട്ടിയപ്പോള്* താളം പിറന്നുവെന്ന് അദ്ദേഹം പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ട്. ഇളയരാജ മഹത്തായ സിംഫണി ചെയ്യുന്നതില്* അതിശയമില്ല. കാരണം സംഗീതം മാത്രമേയുള്ളൂ അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെയുള്ളില്* .
http://hindi.way2movies.com/?p=14597
ennappa idhu April 16th releasaame happi?
sollave illai?
paattu eppo?
I think the admin of this forum is trying to off the lights on IR, as this topic, which suppose to t discuss IRs's latest projects and works, is not shown the main page.It was shown last time.Can some one who is responsible for this put back this topic to the main site....Thanks!
But it is being sold with IR name as MD by Oriental Records to which IR recently has given complaint to Chennai police commissioner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The next IR album should be 'katha thudarum' as the Sathyan Anthikkad's movie is expected in a month's time :
http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14935965
Plum,
IR's complaint is against Echo Recording company and not Oriental i Guess. Atleast that's what the newspaper said.
Cheers
MSK
No it seems IR has said Echo and oriental has same owner (Parthasarathy) and he gave complaint on both.
thanks for reinstating this topic on the main.thank you very much admin!
I still cant understand why Hindi film "SRK" isn't releasing?
raagas,
Still I am in Nandhala...why isn't releasing....i understood that Ayngaran going to be release nandhala during April'2010 but now they are releasing their another film called Angadi Theru.
I feel again nandhala would be postponed...
Not really a new album but a nice review by a musician (HCIRF as well) for pA :
http://skrypture.blogspot.com/2009/12/paa-music.html
Bhavna talwar talks about her movie Happi. Interesting story (revolves around music to a lot extent.
"Happi is about “rising beyond the suffering”. It revolves around a happy old man called Happi, who lives by himself in a chawl and makes a living as a singer at a Parsee restaurant. The music keeps him going till the winds of change sweep through the restaurant. A flashy young crooner takes his place and life takes a different turn till a lonely dog wanders into his life and fills his world with a fresh wave of joy."
http://www.telegraphindia.com/110022...y_12137826.jsp
Sites that say music is by Debojyoti:
http://www.songsblasts.com/songs/hindi-songs/happi.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debojyoti_Mishra
Hopefully these sites are wrong!
thanks,
Krishnan
Krishnan,
The site looks authentic though. There was some confusion about 'Happi' and 'Mausam'. I thought Raja was supposed to do 'Mausam' with Pankaj Kapoor. No clue on what is real but eagerly awaiting a new Raja album!!! Satyan's movie is the only chance. Hopefully they will release the music soon.
Even The Site Link Below says the music is by Debojyoti Mishra, while the Poster will make us smile :)Quote:
Originally Posted by krish244
http://musicjalsha.com/happi-2010-bo...ok-information
They have given the release date as 16th April! Album Engadaa?!!! :x
Oh Yes....just noticed it. It says "Ilaiyaraaja" there in the poster. Really glad. Thanks for pointing it out. Wonder what kind of music IR has come up for this character who sings in a parsee restaurant. Curious to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Bad that so far no clue on the album.
thanks,
Krishnan
Sanjeevi,
That's good news. Given the pre-review this seems to be an album with some good classical touch. I remember Jeyamohan being very enthusiastic about this album as well as another blogger called Prasanna. So looking forward to this album. Hope 'viraivil' means less than a month and not less than a year :D
Here is some news on Happi
http://www.mypopkorn.com/movies/kama...-in-happi.html
IR is not the kind a guy who listen to Parsi albums and make one for this, so this wont be anything related to parsi album you may find, but we all know, there is a room for innovation here and IR will exploit to the fullest extend :)Quote:
Originally Posted by krish244
BTW, Watched Angadi Theru, very good movie, but in the interval saw Nandalala teaser. Awesome BGM. Wonder why such movies dont come on time. By the time this movie comes, it would be out of time and wont commercially run :(
njv,
I watched parts of a movie called 'Aval Peyar Tamilarasi'. This has a setting which is very nice though the movie itself was bad. The heroines family is a family of 'koothu' artists and given the village ambience, this movie cried for Raja. If only the director had approached Raja and ensured he got him to compose the music, we would have easily got a classic like 'Avatharam'. Vijay Anthony tries his best but he is nowhere close. For some reason the new directors who are able to come up with some interesting settings are unable to approach or work with Raja. A loss to them as well as to us.
A friend of mine said he felt the same when he saw 'Angadi Theru'.
Yes, there is an angush in ourselves why the new young directors are not approching IR. The new directors think if IR is involved he will dominate and the victory of the movie will be spoken because of him, they want their name to come up in the industry. This is the reason they ignore the musical requirments and they sign with random musicians. In angadi theru the song is very slow and flat , it is our fate to see and hear these songs after hearing the stunning songs of IR's era.
These movies are not balanced in their treatment and only concentrate on the subject, either more tragedy or more pathetic.
Vasantha balan told he interviewed thousands for the face but you think he not know about the IR role in his flim, he knows but he dont want to. Everybody is having their goal in thier life to achieve that they have to be selfish.
:cry:
Regards
appu,
I guess there is some truth in what you say. It is well known that once Raja sees a movie, he _knows_ what BGM will fit and it _fits_ . There will be no chance for the director to suggest Raja as to what type of music he must give, what instruments he must use etc. For example, if you have heard Myshkin's interview before release of his movie, 'Anjadhe', he was saying how he sat with Sundar C Babu and how they decided on the music, how they decided to use certain instruments etc. I am sure this would not have happened for 'Nandalala'. Of course the output would far exceed what Myshkin would have expected but his involvement would have been negligible.
One point we must note is that even if it is a relative new comer who is in charge of the movie, Raja never dominates as far as BGM is concerned. He always ensures the film gets what it needs and he never goes out of the way to showcase his music genius. I never tire of repeating myself when it comes to the BGM of 'Aa Dinagalu'. The way Raja creates a sense of tension without being loud or without taking away the attention from the movie is a text book example of how to compose BGM.
Maybe all new comers are not 'selfish'. It could also be some market realities that they cannot use Raja. As you know Raja is not someone who is immediately commercially viable nowadays. The new directors are also puppets in the hands of the producers and financiers and they may by themselves not have a great say in choosing the music director. They may have to go with the flow and choose someone who is considered more commercially viable or choose someone who is not very costly.
In short, there seem to be multiple factors involved which are not letting the new and promising directors work with Raja. Their movie would definitely go up a level with the BGM of Raja. In the final analysis, both the directors and listeners like us are losers.
Suresh65: I am getting tired of all of this rant! haven't I emphatically said over and over again, that IR is too big a talent for the small world of Tamil (or even Indian) cinema and neither deserve his services since his talents are way beyond their comprehension ?? its entirely IR's own fault that he is selling himself short getting mixed up with filmmakers who simply speaking do not deserve his association - maybe there is a touch of arrogance in my words, but, he does not have to - after 850 plus films - go back to doing regular cinema stuff
complete/total lack of ambition is the key to IR's present status quo
Hi,
We the fans of Ilayaraja think in the perspective of how IR thinks for a better entertainment, I will not accept it is his own fault that movies are not getting signed.
If the people want to get treated well they will sure go to a good hospital, not the hospital will declare itself that it is treating well.
What i feel it is not the fault of directors and producers for not giving IR assignments, It is the fault of the society which celebrates scrap songs and encourages successive movies to follow. The flim industry is trying to fade out one another inside the industry itself and want another field to lag behind.
I seen some senior actors are lamenting about songs in the movies they say it is un natural, then i want to ask these guys why then they want background music, let the car chase without music and imagine a fight scene without background score :lol:
Finally .. it is like the train is heading to unknown destination and the drivers who want to divert from the main streat itself biting their nails for what to do?????
I am happy with 850 X 5 songs for my generations, and it is not in our hands to change the people's taste, only they should realise.
Bye
I felt the same for Angadi Theru, with 2 MDs, there is a disconnect between songs and BGM as well, but I took the best from Angadi Theru. Worth ignoring the mistakes in there as the movie is good and hats off to director for the attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Vidunga sir, this is not in our "circle of influence".Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
irir123,
I fully understand and appreciate your perspective. That is definitely one very valid way of looking at the situation. At the same time I do have some agreement with AppuShiva's view. Somehow we are not demanding the best from our directors, maybe. That is why they can get into a 'anything chaltha hai' mode and sign whoever they want. My only hope is that if enough people say that the movie was good but the BGM was a big letdown, then the directors may rethink their priorities. Given the current state of Tamil film industry, where even Kamal is unable to get Raja, what I am saying is nothing but a pipe dream!!! Just imagine if Raja was in charge of music for Dasavatharam!!!
இதேதான் என்னுடைய கருத்தும் .. :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
ஆனா மக்கள் இன்னும் அவர் இன்னும் இந்த மாதிரி வீனா போன படங்களுக்கு நிறைய இசை அமைக்கணும்னு எதிர்பார்பதோடு மட்டுமில்லாம ஒவ்வொரு படம் வரதுக்கு முன்னால பில்ட் அப் வேற...
"வெகு விரைவில் நான் பேரிசை வடிவங்களை நோக்கி செல்வேன்..." இதை அவர் சொல்லியே பல வருஷமாச்சு...
eagle - not only that - in a recent conversation IR had expressed his desire to take the great works of classical composers like bach, mozart etc to the rural areas - thats fine - but how does he intend to do the same ? through some nondescript events like the one organised by some telugu actor, where IR got one small string orchestra / ensemble to play some pieces from mozarts works with IR himself conducting the same!!
whats the use and what purpose did it achieve ??
if it was like a workshop that kamal did for screenplays at IIT chennai, that wud have been immensely useful and meaningful - but IR does these things in the most arbitrary fashion with no clearcut pattern of organisation
அப்படி ஒருவேளை ராஜா பேரிசை வடிவங்களை செய்ய முன்வரும் போது, முழுக்க முழுக்க நாட்டுப்புற இசையினை மையமாக வைத்து தாரை, தப்பட்டை, கொட்டு, உடுக்கை, உறுமி, மேளம், நாதஸ்வரம், கொட்டாங்குச்சி வயலின், யாழ் என இருக்கிற பாரம்பரிய தோல்கருவி, தந்திக்கருவி, துளைக்கருவிகளை மட்டுமே உபயோகித்து (Strictly No Bass, Guitar, Piano, Tabla, Violin Stuff here) ஒரு ஆல்பம் கொடுக்கணும். சினிமாவில் நிறைய முயற்சிகள் அப்படி செய்திருக்கிறார் என்றாலும், தனிப்பட்ட ஆல்பம் என வரும்போது பல்லவி, சரணம் 1, சரணம் 2 என்ற பழகிப்போன வடிவத்திற்குள்ளேயே பட்டம் விடாமல், சுதந்திரமாக நிறைய முயற்சிகளை செய்து பார்க்க முடியும். How to name, Nothing But A Wind, Thiruvasagam, Ramana Maalai இப்படிப்பட்ட கர்நாடக சங்கிதம், Western Classical வடிவத்தில் ஆல்பம் செய்துவிட்ட ராஜா, மறக்காமல் பண்ணைபுரத்திற்கும் ஒரு ஆல்பம் செய்தால்தான், அவரது இசைப்பணி முழுமையடையும் என்பது என் பார்வை.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
எனக்கென்னவோ ராஜா அந்த மாதிரி ஸ்ட்ரிக்ட்டா குறிப்பிட்ட இசையை அல்லது இசை கருவிகளை மட்டும் வைத்து ஏதும் செய்ததாக தெரியவில்லை அவரின் அடையாளமே வேறுபட்ட இசைகளின் எல்லைகளை அழித்து ஒரு புது இசையை கொடுப்பது அதிலும் மரபுக்கும் புதுமைக்கும் போதிய இடம் அளிப்பது என்று தோன்றுகிறது.
eagle,
I agree with you. Raja does not strictly stick to one genre. He is an eternal experimenter even while providing very traditional music!!! The best 'naatupura paatu' with experimentation was done in 'Virumandi'. What an album it was!! 'nettiyile pottu vai' and 'karumathur kaatukulle' were authentic folk stuff while 'viru virumandi' was top class experimentation. Wish he would do one album of that sort. I think it is unfair on our part to restrict Raja to one set of instruments / genre. If we understand him well, we will let him do what he wants. After all he knows more about music than us, doesn't he :)
Agree with the concerns pointed out by a few here.
However, i think this obsession with breaking away from "pallavi-charaam" should go
1. IR (and MSV too, i guess) have already done that - songs not following this age-old format. Yeah, not many but the point is, it has been done
2. Composing songs outside this format is not path-breaking stuff in any significant way. Then i can argue that by breaking away from the traditional film format, one is just conforming to western popular formats (rock, pop etc) where you have a prelude, the song kicks in and you end it with a lead without any perceivable breaks for interludes. In the strict sense, what new ground has been reached?
Constraints like the above, or not using instruments etc are IMO superficial. Seyyalaam (already senjaachu, e.g Virumaandi) but thats not the biggest challenge we would like him to take on, illaya? Adhellam oru amatuer composer ku kudukkappada vendiya challenge. Avar canvas innum remba perisu
Bala,
Very nicely put. I always get the same feeling you expressed whenever someone says that some music director is breaking new ground because he is not using the 'pallavi-charanam' format. What transpires is that the western style of tuning is transposed here and that becomes 'path breaking', 'envelope pushing' etc etc. There are quite a good number of 'structureless songs' in western rock music that I don't find much of what our MDs do to be very innovative. (I mean, can you find a song which has absolutely no structure like the 'Lemon Song' of Ledzepplin.)
As you very aptly say, these challenges are for kids. Raja is way ahead in his understanding and conceptulization of music that these sort of things will probably make him laugh. What this shows is our limitation in terms of musical knowledge. What we must tell Raja is 'Do whatever you want. You have our support' and he will come up with something we can't even dream of. (I remember reading a statement of a Xerox engineer, when Xerox was at its innovative peak, "How can ask my customers what they want. My customers are not born yet!!!" This is the statement that comes to my mind whenever I see people suggesting what Raja should do. The ideas that he has will probably never be born inside us. One reason why we worship him, isn't it?)
innum thirumandiram, divyaprabandham
puranaanooru idhellam irukku - raasavin isai udayai aniya kaathukkondu...
KJY,Ilayaraja and ONV together for the 70th bthday celebration of Yesudas last month.You can listen to ilayaraja's speech here..Also what other's have to say on this rare "triveni" sangamam in the sub-links----Enjoy!
http://www.manoramaonline.com/advt/S...mony/index.htm
raj_musing,
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately I have no clue on reading Malayalam. So would request you or someone like app_eng to do the translation.
I am sure the controversy of Raja vs ONV is put to rest now. They seem to be in a jovial mood as far as we can see in the pictures.
raj_musing,
I went to the video links and the third video has Raja speaking about Jesudas. I would ask people to have a look at this video. I have earlier stated this and state it again. As far as music directors go, no one speaks as well as Raja does. Yes, I know about the 'foot in the mouth disease' but check this video out. Wonderful speech but unfortunately cut off. Hope someone has the full video and would be loaded into youtube sometime later. Check how Raja praises the old songs that were screened and talks about their purity. He also starts talking about his past and how he played guitar for around 57 films only for Devarajan Master when the video unfortunately gets cut.