ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

Dinesh, you are wrong. They wouldn't be able to tell ARR from HJ if you presented these two before them! I am just kidding, but the point is these are guys who don't look at the MD's name to judge a song. They just listen and if they like it they say so. Two of the guys love the girlfriend and ale ale songs in Boys (their favorite songs), one person loves ennavalE adi ennavaLe song, one person loves pudhu veLLai mazhai and vaseegara songs, and one person, being a Sinhalese, probably has no clue who is ARR and who is HJ. This last guy is absolutely crazy over the Kumari number in Anniyan. In fact, I have not heard a single person (from the general population, not listeners who post here) who talks disparagingly about Anniyan. I think we should give full credit to HJ for Anniyan, never mind whether the song became popular before or after the movie released. In this context, I must commend the visionary who posted when Anniyan album was released that the Kumari number has everything etc. I forget his nick here but if we look up the Anniyan thread, we will find his post (Anniyan review when it was released).

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

This is the exact FACTS

1. AR RAHMAN (No one to beat)
2. YUVAN SHANKAR RAJA (market increasing)
3 HARISH JEYARAJ (songs hit becos of copying and LUCK !!!)

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

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Exactly !!! Wow, I can't believe HJ has so much opposition in this forum .... I'm a crazy fan of ARR myself, but I've never thought of all the points abt HJ being mentioned here at all :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by Music4Ever

Dinesh, you are wrong. They wouldn't be able to tell ARR from HJ if you presented these two before them! I am just kidding, but the point is these are guys who don't look at the MD's name to judge a song. They just listen and if they like it they say so. Two of the guys love the girlfriend and ale ale songs in Boys (their favorite songs), one person loves ennavalE adi ennavaLe song, one person loves pudhu veLLai mazhai and vaseegara songs, and one person, being a Sinhalese, probably has no clue who is ARR and who is HJ. This last guy is absolutely crazy over the Kumari number in Anniyan. In fact, I have not heard a single person (from the general population, not listeners who post here) who talks disparagingly about Anniyan. I think we should give full credit to HJ for Anniyan, never mind whether the song became popular before or after the movie released. In this context, I must commend the visionary who posted when Anniyan album was released that the Kumari number has everything etc. I forget his nick here but if we look up the Anniyan thread, we will find his post (Anniyan review when it was released).

I am not comparing Anniyan with other Shankar-ARR albums. Anniyan is good by itself. Why should we compare?

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lol... :lol: thats my point too...my skool mates,have no idea who is arrahman or harris,but they enjoyed Boys more,the thing is,they r not INDIANS,they r malay & chinese man...imagine,a diff world from indian root... 8-) .... ofcource kumari is a good song,but i woundnt say its everything,its just Good... saying kumari is everything is like insulting tamil music has no quality man..(in a way its true,tamil music have droped way down nowdays) anywayz,not gonna debate on this more.just drop it & enjoy kumari song :lol: ill enjoy en uyir tozhiye :lol: here is a word from surya itself about : ghajini audio

The buzz is that Devi Sri Prasad’s songs are pretty lukewarm. Please comment?
When Ghajini audio released, the first reaction was pretty average. I am sure that after the release of Aaru the songs will become popular. Songs like Soda bottle…., Paarkathe… will be sure hits. The re-recording of the film is also another highlight of the film.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/interview.php?cid=2408

this is how harris formula works... :)

btw vsajy2k,i really agree on ur fact! but YSR not only have increasing market,his music is very very good,his manmadhan & 7G rainbow colony needs special mention...i loved manmadhan album the best...if he gets the right dir,he can provide great music. 8-) ARR will be back next year with many great projects in hand,esp looking foward for Jil endru oru kadhal,coz its a new dir,we can listen to a new ARR,and ofcource the old time shankar-arr.2006 will have quality songs once again... i hope illaiyaraja too will have lots of releases next year,then confirm 2006 - quality :D

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Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea

But just look at this year alone, if not the past ... HJ had two blockbusters in ANNIYAN and GHAJINI....And both the songs and the BGM were rocking...And THOTTI JAYA, even though was not that big a hit, the songs were still hit....
...But HJ rocks !!!

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bayarea, I also liked 2 Ghajini songs (Suttm, Oru malai) but the rest are waste. Thotti Jeya is a hit album? Where are you? Don't post while dreaming. 8-) . Check the audio sales figure.

Simply listen the following two songs that shows who is HJ :lol:

1) Odakara marimuthu (indra)
2) Punnakku sonna (Arul)

Sanjeevi,lets go his way :P

1.Sonnalum - Kadhal Virus [2002]
2.Uyire Yen - Thotti Jeya [2005]

:lol:

btw,any news on YSR?? whats his next album man??

Dinesh, what I am saying is that we can enjoy some HJ songs without any comparison with ARR. Kumari is one such song, which is good by itself. It has traces of En uyir thozhiyE no doubt but only the really careful listeners (like you, me, Vijayr, or any other ARR fan) can really detect that and it is really only for a fleeting moment when Harini does her stuff. As an aside did you notice that the first interlude is dangerously close to the veena in a song from Samboorna Ramayanam (Malayil paadum ragam edhu? and then veena starts). All these little nitpicks should not detract from the wholesome goodness you feel when you listen to that HJ number.

I did not say that Kumari *is* everything in tamil music, just that it *has* everything (tune, orchestration, singing, and sound quality), an opinion given first by Kamarajc (?) in his review of Anniyan album. Why is it so difficult to praise a good effort? :)

Its not that I enjoyed Kumari less because it had some resemblance to an earlier ARR song. Overall the song didnt have enough freshness in it. Also it didnt have enough to back HJ's claim during its making that it was a "classical" number along with Iyengar veettu from which he derived immense satisfaction making Shankar and Hariharan sing those classical numbers.. Both songs werent even light classical in my opinion. They were just raga based, thats all. The song didnt have enough to interest me, especially when I have listened to such numbers several hundred times before including the interludes. I would say that they werent bad, thats all. I wouldnt go to the extent of praising them.
And as for the fast numbers from Anniyan they were clearly an earsore. Kaadhal yaanai and Nokia are some of the worst fast numbers I have heard, total lack of imagination with mechanized beats and nonsense words that are made to rhyme in every line. We have heard such numbers in the mid-90s itself. HJ lacks imagination in rhythm arrangement and he hasnt come up with a single convincing fast number so far. He scores mostly in the peppy love songs genre that he gets a chance to compose.
and Music4ever, comparison is something that happens sub-consciously even without the listener's knowledge. When you hear a song you can sense it whether it is mundane or not, if you have been exposed to TFM and are a regular listener. The database is inbuilt in your mind. You dont have to consciously compare it with an X or Y song from the past. And as much as you have heard Kamarajc or other friend of yours who praised the album, I read a lot of negative reviews from bloggers(some of whom are musicians) and I myself thought the album was so-so even before the movie's release. And myopinion hasnt changed even after the movie became a hit and the songs were played several hundred times on TV. Same with Chandramukhi. Chandramukhi is even worse because of the 2 lifts and the overall mediocrity of the compositions.

Vijayr, I fully understand your point of view. Even when I listened to Anniyan initially I thought what was so great about it etc. Yours and Dinesh's are the only two so-so reviews of Anniyan that I have heard (in mutual discussion, that is) so far. I am not saying this to cause any offence or something, only that I am reporting the actual data I have collected so far. Perhaps, as you have said, I have not been able to converse with enough number of people having the opposite view (the view which you and Dinesh have). What I think would be the case is that listeners with higher standards of listening (obtained through years of experience either listening to various tamil songs like in your case or listening closely to minute ARR-like sounds like Dinesh) may not rate Anniyan all that high while the casual everyday listener (especially youth) will rate it higher. And the mass demand is probably based on these casual youth listeners. Thanks for your response.

Music4ever, I remember the reviews being mixed at best here in TFMpage when Anniyan was released. Check out this thread. This is your own review from that thread :
http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewto...r=asc&start=90

"Harris Jeyaraj's music for Kaaka kaaka was much better than the one he has composed for Anniyan. In Anniyan he has not been able to do justice to the hype created by a Shankar movie. ARR, on the other hand, matched the hype for Boys with good music (i.e., music that suited the mood of the movie). Comparison with ARR is inevitable if you are HJ, and no KamarajC can prevent that by any means of pre-emptive writing"


Not only have you thought the album isnt worth the hype, you have even done the comparison yourself which you wanted Dinesh to avoid, in a response that differed from what Kamaraj wrote :-) Like I said earlier, repeated listenings on TV due to lack of options can make even those megaserial title songs humworthy. (actually most of them are, as compared to what Srikanthdeva and Dhina churn out)