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Yeah, its fate ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Great , if yes, then the astrological predictions on others who died along with him FAILS ?Quote:
Originally Posted by great
i guess fate is not random variable :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Why can't both MK and J's astrological charts be analysed and some result could be predicted?After all they are the primadonna of their respective parties! It clearly shows that astrology is bogus.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by abbydoss1969
Dear abbydoss
Please remember that I am neither an Astrologer... nor of any career linked with it....but ONLY A CLIENT ... with Staunch belief in this Occult-Science.
Whatever I am presenting here, are from the wide knowledge gained by professional contacts, Books& Magazine study, and Practical experience on the field realities of several families, observed during the past about 60 years.
But I am neither interested to debate with you... whether Astrology is Bogus or Genuine... nor will try to convince you.
However I put forth the facts... in reply to yours... if anybody is interested to know more.. .AS A CLIENT... present or prospective..
I have already answered on this point you raised now... I further clarify.
Horoscopic-study on the Individuals concerned... such as Mr. Karunanidhi in comparison to that of Ms. Jayalalitha... alone CAN COME TRUE.... and so RELIABLE.
Whether such an Analysis prior to Election was conducted by any renowned Astrologer of proven competence... I am not aware of.
But here too...We must keep in mind these important and basic factors .
(1) When the medication on a patient is not effective or results in failure, we do not blame the Medical-Science... but ONLY THE PROFESSIONAL. concerned.
... Same approach pertaining to Lawers, Engineers and such other Professionals too.
Then why in the case of Astrology alone... we should find fault with the Subject...irrespective of Professional concerned?
(2) Even amongst Doctors, Lawers and Engineers... for example... we find difference of Prescription / Advice / Conclusions... even far contrary and mutually contradictory too.... ON ONE AND THE SAME CASE...backed with ONE SOLE DATA.
(3) Medical-Doctors, Lawers, Engineers and such other Professionals by Wisdom... get qualified to practice their respective profession... by the support of their KNOWLEDGE ALONE...authenticated by Educational Qualifications only....
.. whereas in the Typical Profession as Astrologer... the main demand is... Spiritual -power ( Soul-power) ...
..And so the highly Spirituallistic Astrologer... easily gets access to his thoughts and attention.. the specific Subhayogas and Avayogas...
...in the Intricate and Extremely tough subject of Astrology.. alongside combative Dasa-bhukthis..
... which are quite important in comparative analysis.... between the persons concerned.
Spiritualism can be developed and maintained BY ANYBODY of high Human- qualities coupled with Noble mentality...as also by Meditation...
..which gets marred by Vicious propensities like Avariciousness, Jealousy, Vengeance and Wrath.
I have curiously observed... during my long past ...
...that even an one-time popular Astrologer ... has miserably failed subsequently... in spite of his added exerience...
...because of his personal deterioration from the Best to the Worst.....
...by Debauchery, Drunkenness, Money-pride, Professional Ego,.. Deeds by Jealousy and Wickedness or the like, subsequently....
... in spite of undiminished competence by Knowledge. on his profession.
So I assert ... that Soul-Power plays a Leading Role for the Astrologer unlike other Professionals ensuring competence by Knowledge alone.
That is why... there is a Sanskrit Proverb... that the Best professionals in the Astrological and Medical consultants... are found in...
BALA-JOSYA and VAIDHYA-VRIDDHA ...Meaning..
In case of Medicals...the Vast Experienced.. Professional .. Old-aged, is preferable....
...SINCE KNOWLEDGE ALONE by Study and Experience will suffice.
Whereas in case of Astrological consultant... YOUNG ASTROLOGER IS PREFERABLE... irrespective of Experience ...
...which indirectly denotes his personal suitability...
.. by KNOWLEDGE COUPLED WITH SOUL-POWER ...
... which can be easily developed during youth by deep endeavour... better than in old age.
At my 18`s i dont belives in astrology even in god. my eduction was got interrupted due to some unimaginable factors,
i was very shocked and dissappointed at that time, my brain stops working.
i was tried my best but i dont succeeded.after 2 yr period of desperation & unsucces i face a good time when i was selected in a exam.after 1 yr of good time, i also face another bad time of 2 yr
i cant imagine that , but this time was not too bad compairing to first.i learn a lot during these bad periods.
i lost all my best freinds (they leaves me cause my unsuccessness that time) but i got more reliable friends then the old was,who helped me in tough time. one of my best freinds brother is of angry nature, where ever he goes he always gets a panga with others, not a single day i heard that he lived peacefully.
so my freinds mother consult a atrologer, he told that the moon in his horoscope is very weak,he advised them to wear him a big pearl , after apply this add what immediately happend i dont know because i was fully concentrate on my exams that time.after one month around when i met him i heard a positive results from his family members and neighbours.
that is an incidence after that i realized something is true in indian astrology. i also met the astrologer and asked him why i faced disturbance in education, he replies at that time i was influenced by the dasha of ketu which sits in my horoscope in 5`th house(a house related with education, mind-power,sons of native etc.). a many private things he told me about my past time was also true.
10 years passed to this incidance, through that day to till day i am studied various books on astrology, not only study but through practical i am reached on this conclusion that this shastra is able to explain that we could not able to sense through our limited powered sensible organs(eves,ears,nose,etc.)
the modern science & its principles are mainly based on the conclusions we received & observed by our limited sensible organs thats why modern science does not able to found any reality in astrology.
though i am an electronic engineer, deeply belives in astrology & modern science too, i reads a lots of indian spiritual books ( including swami vivekanand ,ramkrishna paramahansa, osho,swami dayanand saraswati & many about indian history)
reached on the conclusion that the jyotish shastra (that was told the eyes of the vedas) was being very popular at our old ages,
& though its popularity there were also be many quakes( same that now a days we saw many quake doctors pratising in rural areas), who becomes astrologer reading only one or two books, were the main reasons to lowering the prestige of jyotish in the public.
jyoish is not a science it is a vigyan(sanskrit) by practising of that one could got vidya ( ya vidya va vimuktaye). in vedas it is told vidya is the one who meets u to the god. for vidya u dont need any teaching( shiksha) but its a plus point to get vidya. shiksha (knowledge related to any matter on these physical world), vidya(knowledge which motivate anyones to the god i.e. creator of the physical world)
many peoples does not distinguish between shiksha & vidya
they think both are same(i was also when i dont know any thing about indian sprituality) .jyotish is a very holy vigyan that demands holiness, purity, highest character qualites & moral values from its practitioners.
if astrology is a psuedo science than why there are so many expensive softwares are developed by many talented software professionls & why there are so many astrological portals on web in this 21`st century. any psuedo scinence does not have so much long life, if it is be a psuedo than no one on this earth can never ever heard name of the astrology in the past 1000 years.
imagine anyone without a poetry inside him can enjoy a poem?
imagine anyone without music inside him can enjoy a song?
imagine anyone without a scientfic attitude in him can study science?
think same for the astrology.
Dear Johntony,Quote:
Originally Posted by johntony
Nice. Thanks for the pains taken, to post narrative and outspoken presentation.
With best Wishes,
Sudhaama.
...
Best REMEDY... for Dosha-Jathakam.?
When some of the Horoscopes are having Doshas ...Defective / Ill-lucky / Deficient
...Astrologers used to prescribe some GRAHA-PREETHI / SANTHI / PARIHAARAAS... through Specific Manthras and Rituals.
There are THREE MORE alternatives as solutions.
One is by MANI-SASTHRA... Wearing the appropriate Gems on the body
...with Rings or some such jewels, conforming to the advice of the Astrologer and Mani-sasthra Expert.
Second one is... by fervent Prayer to God of ones own faith and choice, seeking remedy.
Swami Thyagaraja says..."Graha-balam aemi?...Ramanugraha balamae balam...
..meaning..."If and when Rama-anugraham (God's grace) is available to a person, what Navagraha-strength can overpower?
.. the MIGHTIEST.... can be... ONLY the GOD'S GRACE !!!
Third alternative is the practical one... to PLEASE GOD...by INDIRECT SERVICE to Him... the easiest way.
How?... By HUMANITARIAN SOCIAL SERVICE... since God is the Universal protector...it means sharing with His Noble-cause
Out of several instances of my experiences, I quote one ... the TRUE EVENT
One poor man, a Temple-cook could not get his daughter married until her age 28, despite his strenuous efforts for about 10 years...
...only because the Girl's Horoscope was of KALATHRA-DOSHAM... serious impediment affecting the marriage prospects
He lamented to me one day... on his very first introduction itself .
...I advised him ..."The simplest solution is by RELEVANT Compensatory Social service,
...which alone can immensely please God EASILY.. and consequently fetch the Divine- Remedy...
...So search out for another poor man like you who too is having SIMILAR PROBLEM of Kalathra-Dosham ...
... As you would do to your daughter... SINCERELY AND WHOLE- HEARTEDLY...
..by persuasion with the Groom's parents, highlighting the Bride's Plus- points in other aspects....
...similarly you SERVE for that Parent's interests for their daughter...
...Then see the After-effect.... God will take care of you"
Accordingly he did for three girls of different families and got them married... upto the immense satisfaction of those aliens.
After some time, One day ...he being a Cook ...was employed for a Rich-girl's marriage...
In the course of the day... he was called by a Stranger couple who said...
"You see Mr. Krishna... We the Invitees for this marriage,. are quite rich.... Our only son of 30 years, was refusing to marry until now. But I wonder he saw your daughter here and expressed his willingness to marry her. ..!!
... So, even though you are of very low status just as a cook, we are prepared to have your daughter married to our affectionate son of high status and good calibre... What do you say?"
This cook could not believe his ears... Then, just for his satisfaction he consulted an Astrologer who said OK.
The marriage was conducted in a grand scale at the Groom's expense... and now leading a Happy married life with children
The girl was not so pretty but just of mediocre good-look. But what impressed the Boy... so as to prefer her?
God alone knows.!!!... The Girl herself too feels...it is a MYSTERY.!!!
Dear sir,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
i am not the right person for thanks, it should be given to the yogis & rishi-munis of india by reading their literature i got some little knowledge about astrology & sprituality. :D
REVIVING ONE OF MY MOST LOVED THREADS IN THE HUB. I found this article very interesting which answers the main question on astrology
Bill Gates' Future
1.Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him?
2.What is special about Bill Gates?
3.What is the future of Bill Gates?
4.Money attracts money; poverty attracts poverty.
Currently the breaking news is that Warren Buffet, the second richest man in the world, is giving most of his money (several billions of dollars) to the foundation of Bill Gates who as everyone knows is the richest man in the world for the past many years. Why would Warren Buffet give the money to Bill Gates’ foundation? Mr. Buffet’s answer is that if you want to play golf, play with Tiger Woods. Buffet’s thinking is that Bill is the right person in the world of philanthropists and it is better to give the money to him so that the money would be properly used. True, no one can question the prudence of Buffet and in my opinion Mr. Buffet has made a good decision.
I am writing this note to my readers who are interested in Vedic Astrology and I thought that I would raise some fundamental questions about the correctness of astrology itself using Bill Gates as an example. Bill Gates was born on October 28, 1955 at 21:15 in the city of Seattle, Washington. The following is his Vedic birth chart with the placement of various planets in different houses.
Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him?
The most fundamental question to ask is the following. There are people in Seattle, Washington born at the same time as Bill Gates. Why are they not as rich as Bill Gates or somewhere near to him? One might rightly assume that some of them born at the same time may very likely be poor as well. The natal charts of all those born at the same time will be identical. If at all there are some changes, it will be in the placement of the Moon which is the fastest moving planet. Even the Moon stays in one zodiac sign for about 2 ¼ days. This is an inconvenient question for astrologers. Assuming that some one carries out a research project to collect all the horoscopes of people born at Bill Gates’ birth time in Seattle and present it to a bunch of astrologers, how would they give their readings? Is astrology then a false science? No, it is not.
I have put the question to many renowned astrologers and no one gave me a satisfactory answer except one gentleman. His name is Unnikrishna Panikkar (click for recent article) from Kerala in Southern India. Mr. Panikkar is a divine astrologer and he practices a special form of Vedic astrology called Astamangalam Prasannam. (B.V. Raman, India’s most celebrated astrologer has published a translation of this unique form of astrology. The title is known as “Prasna Marga” in 2 Volumes). Panikkar told me that a person’s chart should be read in relation to six generations of his ancestors – in this case, Bill Gates’ father, his grandfather, his great, great grandfather, etc. going back six generations. The whole idea is that if Bill Gates is rich, it is not simply his doing. It is collectively the merit of six generations of his ancestors. Mr. Panikkar said that if your grandfather or great grandfather had been a bad guy who raped women and murdered someone or even deceived another, you end up paying for it.
To the modern rational mind-set this seems to be unfair, but that is how things work in the world of the souls. Mr. Panikkar speaks about a unique soul genetics which is similar to DNA inheritance. Astamangalam astrology is an amazing science, but unfortunately there are only a few who are good at it and it is difficult to get hold of them to give you a reading. Mr. Panikkar became attracted to me for my spirituality and for about 2 years we have been good friends.
What is special about Bill Gates' chart?
Bill Gates is born at a very auspicious time. It is the thirteenth waxing Moon time and the Moon itself is on the star, Uttarabhadrapada. His incarnation is a direct act of Lord Siva who is the God in charge of removing karma. Students who are following my teaching know that on the 13th Moon (Pradosham Day) during sunset time Siva removes the suffering of people. Like Siva, Bill Gates will alleviate the suffering of people. His birth star Uttarabhadrapada is ruled by Saturn and Hanuman. Saturn himself is in Libra exactly with a debilitated Sun and powerful Venus. The placement of these three planets in his Fifth House from the Ascendant clearly proves that Bill Gates is connected with the Divine, particularly Lord Siva. In order to have a fortunate life one should have a good Ascendant zodiac sign and the Lord this zodiac sign powerfully placed. Bill Gates has Gemini as the Ascendant and Mercury, the Lord of Gemini, is exalted in Virgo. Further, Ketu in the 12th house means that this will be Bill Gates’ last incarnation.
What is the future of Bill Gates?
Bill Gates had been born in India in many, many lifetimes and this memory will kick in very soon for him. He will soon engage himself in researching the occult palm leaves called nadi leaves in Southern India which carries the cure for so many diseases. This research will lead him to become spiritual for the rest of his life. He would soon thereafter be interested in physical immortality and the art of turning the body into light following the Tamil Siddha tradition. He will invest a lot of resources for research into physical immortality.
It is very likely that he may dramatically enter U.S. and world politics. He will be some sort of ruler – U.S. President? The entry will be dramatic and he will do a good job. Eventually Bill Gates will become a yogi and he will establish ashrams all over the world. He will bridge the gap between science and religion.
Money attracts money. Poverty attracts poverty.
Bill Gates attracts money. Likewise the people in the African countries, being already poor, attract only poverty. Is there a way out for the problem? Yes, there is. The answer is in remedial astrology.
Beautiful Analysis.... Dear Selvakumar.Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
I too was quite anxious to know several such Mysteries and Ryddles in Astrology Vs Reality.
And what I have learnt from several Astrological Experts, including Mr. B.V.Raman from Bangalore... supported by my practical observation... are...
(1) Horoscope gets its basic identity not only by the BIRTHTIME... but also the BIRTHPLACE...and its Longitude degree.... to arrive at the location of Lagna / Ascendant. So even though two persons are born at the same time exactly... if the Lagna varies... it makes a lot of difference.
Even for a Dog or Cow born at the same time and place of a child... the Horoscopes will be identical...but will the predictions be same?
Here only comes the degree of extraneous effects from Parents, Brothren and others...
...which are found out from the force of the planets connected with 5th, the Puthra-Sthaanam, 9th the Pithru-Sthanam, 4th the Mathru-sthanam...
...and above all the most important is the SIXTH AND EIGHTH houses...
...which impact a lot differently from person to person... although of identical Horoscopes.... depending on the individuals ancestry.
In brief... the co-related Horoscopes of all others in the family... can give a clear picture on the values of the Subha-Yogas and Ava-yogas in one's Horoscope.
(2) I have observed another strange factor in case of Twins... of same parentage and IDENTICAL HOROSCOPES... in all and every respect, including the moon and the Birth-star too....since born by caesarian... within a few minutes difference at the same Hospital.
Practically I have observed several such cases... where their thoughts and approach.... are far different, eventually leading to varied decisions on the same problem... or predicamant or some such Life-factors....
... be it the Course of Study or Career...or Marriage... Why? How?
There only comes the Question of MIND-APPLICATION ...the greatest Power which influences man to man differently....
...according to his own SELF- MADE... Mind-culture..
... which everyone develops on one's own...IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS / HER Astrological Mind- power...
...which results in different outlook and Decisions too... even contrary to the Astrological influences.
(3) You have raised another interesting and Valid Question...
Why in some families, the Rich continues to be Rich for generations ...
... while the Poor continues to be so...generation after generation too!
And no doubt... the Horoscopes of all within the same generation... need not be identical nor one and all of them can be said to be lucky.. by Yoga-Jathakam...
Here comes the Hereditary practices some families perform to Godly services...
... either to Temples or some such Dharmas....or Social-services.
Such Noble deeds in the current birth will not go in vain... IRRESPECTIVE OF HOROSCOPES
... but will add up or EVEN COUNTER the Ill-effects of any Horoscope.
DHARMO RAKSHATHI RAKSHITHIHA....(Even by Physical-means) means...
...One who protects Dharma is in return PROTECTED BY DHARMA..
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