Global recognition for IR's music.......

eagle,

When I see the definitions you had quoted "Eclecticism and freedom of expression, in reaction to the rigidity and aesthetic limitations of modernism, are the hallmarks of the postmodern influence in musical composition" ,

Wouldn't using the bass guitar and various guitar chords in a Tamil folk song constitute eclecticism? Wouldn't they not be beyond the aesthetic limitations of the Tamil folk genre? Wouldn't using western vocal harmonies, as he did in Devar Magan, to create a complete folk song experience be termed as eclecticism? Wouldn't introducing Carnatic ragas within the rigidity of western classical music classify as post modernism?

To me Raja has been the ultimate in experimenting in film music. The problem is that he fuses all these elements so well that many people do not recognize this. One person hears it as a folk song and another hears it as a carnatic piece and another hears the guitar chords. Every experiment is in the service of the song. My personal opinion is that this type of fusion to give an organic whole is far more difficult to achieve that many other types of fusion. Lot of classical musicians have tried it but in my opinion I really did not see much fusion out there but only two strands playing simultaneously.

What I miss from IR these days (or at the least NOT coming out explicitly for me) is the linearity in a totally non-linear score. He is not surprising me anymore. The only album that surprised me of late was, Dev D. I want him to play with strings more. Raw amp with mandolin more.

Does this mean his scores are not for a post-modern man or whatever that means. Absolutely no. First off, I have no clue how to define a post-modern score. How do you categorize a Four Seasons, Fifth by Beethoven or Purple Haze or Indi theme? Which ever score can stand the testament of time is indeed post-modern IMHO.

"Ithu ungalukku ellam puriya vaikirathukku thaan ivvalavu pakkam "
:-)
I'd like to add that my grouse is not about understanding one's understandign as post-modernistic per definition. When someone approaches something saying, I'll analyse this with a post-modernistic mind, I think that is gobbledygook.

That is where I found JeMo's analysis shallow. To me, you approach art, or anything else in life with your mind, your experiences, and as long as you have an open mind, you can receive various experiences and assimilate it. I dont need to understand what is post-modernism at all. That is about analysing one's appreciation or trying to do a meta-structure on appreciation or reception of thought. That is where, when someone primarily defines themselves as post-modernistic or starts throwing jargon, I find it funny.
RS, I understand that you had the experiences first and then have understood those as post-modernism which is fine. But indha sitridhazhgalila,and even Jemo types throw it as if it is a thing by itself as jargon - uh, doesnt mean much to me.

Ok I forgot in which thread this 'Heyram' Promo thingy came up so Iam posting this here as a reply to Bala
'பால் நிலா பாதை'யில் சில தெருக்கள்
He does not need a Bala or anybody else to tell him that he is blowing his own trumpet, he knows that its a mistake and accepts that too. But to whom else he will tell all these things other than his fans?!!
Bala,
If you are not able to understand 'Raaja's Personality even after reading this nothing else can!

irir,
Sorry to use this thread as a bin....but all these postss are somehow related to Raaja putting him in a 'Global perspective' is what I feel

eagle

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"Eclecticism and freedom of expression, in reaction to the rigidity and aesthetic limitations of modernism, are the hallmarks of the postmodern influence in musical composition"

"Composers such as Terry Riley, John Adams, Steve Reich, Phillip Glass, and Lou Harrison reacted to the perceived elitism and dissonant sound of atonal academic modernism by producing music with simple textures and relatively consonant harmonies. Some composers have been openly influenced by popular music and world ethnic musical traditions

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And why does this not reinforce your conviction that Raaja is a post modern composer?!!
Raaja is first and last 'Kalaga' or a revolutionary music composer of India. I can quote a number of examples... If we need to take this forwards and discuss!

Rahman says "IR is bigger than Oscars "

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...ar-rahman.html

சரியான முறையி்ல் அவரது இசை எடுத்துச் செல்லப்பட்டிருந்தால் எப்போதோ அவர் ஆஸ்கர் விருதினை வென்றிருப்பார் என்று புகழாரம் சூட்டினார்.

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Ok I forgot in which thread this 'Heyram' Promo thingy came up so Iam posting this here as a reply to Bala
'பால் நிலா பாதை'யில் சில தெருக்கள்
He does not need a Bala or anybody else to tell him that he is blowing his own trumpet, he knows that its a mistake and accepts that too. But to whom else he will tell all these things other than his fans?!!
Bala,
If you are not able to understand 'Raaja's Personality even after reading this nothing else can!

irir,
Sorry to use this thread as a bin....but all these postss are somehow related to Raaja putting him in a 'Global perspective' is what I feel

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Thats what i have been telling here that please dont judge IR based on couple of his interviews or by some media reports. Please read some of his works like 'sangeetha Kanavugal', 'paal nila Paathai' , 'Thuli Kadal' etc, from that you can understand his character, his principles etc to some extend.

Because we see most of the celebrities through media's eyes, we can not really know any of their real character beyond some level. So their biogrpahys play a vital role here to reach out their soul to some extend.

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Ok I forgot in which thread this 'Heyram' Promo thingy came up so Iam posting this here as a reply to Bala
'பால் நிலா பாதை'யில் சில தெருக்கள்
He does not need a Bala or anybody else to tell him that he is blowing his own trumpet, he knows that its a mistake and accepts that too. But to whom else he will tell all these things other than his fans?!!
Bala,
If you are not able to understand 'Raaja's Personality even after reading this nothing else can!

irir,
Sorry to use this thread as a bin....but all these postss are somehow related to Raaja putting him in a 'Global perspective' is what I feel

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Whenever he says such thinks 'this is the first time it is happening in indian music history and i am doing it etc' , he used to add these words ' itha solrathukku enakku koochama irukku, irunthallum aen solrenna ithu ungalukku (fans) theriyamaeley/sollapadaamaley poi vida koodaathu enbathaalthaan'.

Yahoo groups posted a message about why IR did not do symphony. Seems that he said he should not even have done something many great,great composers have done in the past. Looks like someone must have criticised it to the extent that IR felt that his symphony was "impure" or something.

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Originally Posted by nanchil_guy

Whenever he says such thinks 'this is the first time it is happening in indian music history and i am doing it etc' , he used to add these words ' itha solrathukku enakku koochama irukku, irunthallum aen solrenna ithu ungalukku (fans) theriyamaeley/sollapadaamaley poi vida koodaathu enbathaalthaan'.

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Its almost like a childish pride as rightfully identified by kamal (Athula thannaiyum saerthukittathu konjam over thaan :))