IR's composing technique

rajasaranam, it was only during that movie she made that comment. I think it was Periyamma or somehing. IR just laughed it off.

rprasad, you have contributed to the digression too, so please spare the maturity crap...:-) Like I told earlier, if you didnt like my views you could have left it alone instead of responding to my posts. I replied to one post of venus a few days back(since he addressed some of my earlier points) and from then on it started - a few here started picking on my points and I had to back my views instead of remaining silent. A discussion/digression cannot prolong with just one guy talking. So if you are truly bothered about this digression address your concern to rajasaranam, thumburu and everyone else involved, because they dont seem to be stopping either. And see the first page of this thread for what I had written originally about styles of composing - lyrics for tune vs tune for lyrics with examples(from both IR and MSV). I havent seen you contribute anything apart from nitpicking my posts :-)

Vijay,

you can count the number of times i responded it is nothing compared to your constant responses to every persons post. I have already asked people( including everyone and not only you, please refer to my earlier post) to stop and also threw in some points about Ir's style to discuss, but as usual you seem to overlook it and talk only about stuff you want. Everyone has an opinion it is not necessary to go on responding to others viewpoints with a view to justify your point. Lets stop here. Thankfully we have people like Kiru to bring some sense to this discussion and steer it in the proper path.

this thread lacks adequate input to do justice to its theme. analysing composing techniques of a music composer requires an understanding of music theory which is lacking in most contributors in this thread. hence the debate reduces itself to discussing reasons for composition rather than the technique. distraction and digression is achieved with ease.
kiru's futile attempt at diverting some postings away from this thread only has managed to bring about more digressions. Futile as it may seem, it effectively stopped the discussion about 'hit rates' and i should encourage kiru to start a thread every time a digression appears.
achuvinte amma gives a glimpse of the process in composition, as did guna, but there is a leap in both instances from what is discussed with the director and what comes out in the end. there seems to be a lot of work done after the tune is selected by the director and in IR's own words, very often, the output is different to what is chosen by the director. my guess is that the director conveys the idea and the composition session is just meant to grasp that idea, the rest is the confidence one has in the other. this confidence is something one cannot debate about, but just accept.
can somebody explain to me how swasathin thalam transforms from the sounds of harmonium, voice and thalam to what its final output is? IR records the discussion of tunes with his director in his audio files but what happens after that? i for one would like to get hold of this voluminous audio tapes of his discussions with his directors. i am also surprised that so early in his career he understood the importance of archiving his output which can match the scandinavian obsession to record keeping.

Some of the people in this threaed
Yarellam ir ku oppsite aga, kodutha topic la opinion solgireegalo, avargal ellam oru kelviku kandipaga bhadhil solla vendum.
In the threadyai arambitha Dinoarun indha madhiri 17 th pagekum ir in isaiayi criticise seidhavaraka start panninar?Earlier reply edhuvanga irundhalum 17 th pageil enna nadakiradhu?
Idhu pasu thol porthiya puli yin velai.
Indha madhiriyana oru knowledgeable discussion ku oru reply venduma ungalulku? agree disagree matum discussion illai.
Ellam enna seigireergal? engae irundhu kondu seigireelgal enru konjam ninaithu parungal?
Andha alaviruku ungaluku ellam knowledge irundhal indha thread yen ippadi thisai mari poi irukum?
Namaku enna therigiradho adhai than pesuvom.So ungaluku therindhadhai neengal pesineergal.Ponal pogiradhu!!!
Inimelavadhu unmaiyana IR composing tech patri pesinal adhai overcome seidhu reply pannugiraen enru solli indha threadai thisai thiruppa vendam.
Nammal nalladhu seiya mudiyamal pogalam. Anal kedudhal seiya vendam!! ADhu dhan manidhanin unmaiyana maturity!!!!
With Love,
Usha Sankar.
PS: Ennudiaya indha postku promiseaga yarum reply panna kudadhu.Idhu varai ennudaiya endha postkum indha page il reply vandhadhu illai.Ini melum vara kudadhu.Adhu nichayam IR patriya nalla post ku disturbance aga irukum.Nichayam idhu ennudaiya humble request!!!

Well, vijay, if you take that line, I dont have anything to say.Lets agree to disagree.
Just an interesting aside. In one of the links given in the old responses, MSV says he has scored about 1700 movies.
Based on all MSV Fans knowledge here, how many of MSV movies will we be able to list here - why dont we try that may be ina different thread. THat would be proof because we should all be able to list out whatver memorables songs over the last 50 years of MSV> If we cant remember, those movies should not be in the list :-)
Lets see if we can make atleast a list of 500 movies,which would give a MSV a non-junk rate of about 30%. What say everybody?

rajdes, I dont wish to continue this topic further here. (Read earlier posts).

BTW, MSV didnt say he scored for 1700 movies. The guy who wrote the article has said that and I have to wonder if it is a typo or a factual error.I have read some other numbers elsewhere. Even if MSV scored 20 movies/year for the last 50 years he would just reach 1000.
As for listing memorable songs from that era, it requires someone who is exposed well to that era and also has a decent memory :-) (Its also partly subjective, like the IR 1000 stars list which I thought had several duds) If this were 1997,98 there would have been many in DF who would have instantly contributed to that list. Dont know about current crowd. Anyways, listing MSV's songs is'nt going to change your opinion or mine on IR's duds( we would still be disagreeing), so I see it as mostly as a tedious yet futile exercise.If time permits, we both could discuss about it in some other thread.

kavin,most composing techniques have already been discussed countless time before in this forum over the last 8 years.What a few here are doing is just Ctrl C and Ving from some of those old posts. Nothing much new in terms of input. You can go thru the archives and find a lot more.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

kavin,most composing techniques have already been discussed countless time before in this forum over the last 8 years.What a few here are doing is just Ctrl C and Ving from some of those old posts. Nothing much new in terms of input. You can go thru the archives and find a lot more.

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vijay...i find it amusing that YOU are mentioning that there is nothing much new in terms of input here...your posts/cribs about IR have essentially been the same for the past few years...IRs recycling his tunes, guru/kks being the last good albums of his, his horrible choice of singers including himself, 400 dhandams by Malaysia, Mano, most of his music from mid 80s being dhandams, his inherent contradictions etc etc etc...everytime a new album of IRs releases it is the same arguments...and the same counterarguments...

of course you can blame IR for this...but since IR is beyond redemption at this point all i can do is plead with you to take up some other new cause...

thops, I had already decided to stop discussing about this and then you still post this. Anyways, to answer you, my complaints about IR has been the same as far as his recent albums are concerned and since am the lone voice here having to defend my views against several newbies it seems as though I am repeating myself. But if you have been here in DF for a long time you will realize my complaints about his recent albums are very new as compared to a topic as jaded as IR's composing technique-which was been beaten to death by 1999 itself.

"my complaints about his recent albums are very new as compared to a topic as jaded as IR's composing technique-which was been beaten to death by 1999 itself."

What can I say Vijay, I am your complaints are very fascinating to you :-) , as can be seen by your active interest in defending it..Where as some of us poor souls here find the "topic as jaded as IR's composing technique" find it fascinating. This is what drives people like me to go read the archives of rjay and srikanth's posts and analyze the songs in the light of techniques which these posters have eloquently elaborated for the benefit of many enthusiasts like me. If not me, I am sure many people will be writing and talking and celebrating IR and his achievements, not necessarily here but in other forums/media. I dont think you will be successful in dampening this energy how much ever you try. Good Luck.