Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films

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AFAIK MarudhanAyakam was shelved for financial reasons. Pokhran, phoren producer pulling out etc. Now pulling together the time, feel, looks and effort for such an effort is a bigger ask than what it would've been 12 years back. I don't think it was fearing the opposition of thEvars.

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P_R,

Neenga romba appAvingO :lol2:

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kalyan is right.. financial reasons ellaam illa PR..

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Oh ok ! :oops: News to me.
Sorry and Thanks Kalyan.

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Sorry and Thanks Kalyan.

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:oops: PR, neither have you said anything wrong nor I did do you any favour. Pls delete the quoted line. :D
Thanks. ( I will delete this too)

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But Balachander has never forsaken his religious identity.

when you still are a part of a religion/community and the negative feedback you give to them will often be taken as a constructive criticism which unfortunately is not the case with KH.

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Ok then by this logic Kamal cannot criticize Muslims. :-)

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P_R<

I was very clear :) . the following was my stand right from the beginning.

1) If you want to offer constructive criticism, you can continue as a part of the community and criticise, even if you dont fully agree with their interpretation of God. You lose your right to offer 'constructive criticism' for a community once when you are no longer a part of it.

2) If you are forsaking a religion on the basis that you have come to the conclusion that there is no god whatsoever, then at least maintain uniformity with your criticism thereafter.

3) An atheist who keeps speaking about atheism through whatever the media resources available to him is only as bad as a tele evangelist, the only thing is that he is advertising / promoting a different brand of product.

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Kalyan,

Kamal is consistent, atleast statistically.. criticisms/community-population will be more or less constant across various communities...

http://www.barghouti.com/islam/meaning.html

kindly see the meaning of Islam..

ridiculing religion is different from ridiculing ridiculing religious beliefs and practices which are extra-additions to the real thing..

Kamal is the guy who wrote the lines "marumurai varuvathaai solli maainthavar vanthatheyy illai..."

I dont think tele evangelist is a gud comparison here..


sontha karuththa sonnaa thappu illai.. inge avaru onnum vyaabaaram pannalaye... DGS Dhinakaran, Paul etc Benz car-la thaan poraangalaam..

Kalyan, I jumped to the conclusion that you are jumping to conclusions. adhukku thaan. oru varalaatru aavaNamA, sabaikkuRippula appidiyE irukkattum.

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AFAIK MarudhanAyakam was shelved for financial reasons. Pokhran, phoren producer pulling out etc. Now pulling together the time, feel, looks and effort for such an effort is a bigger ask than what it would've been 12 years back. I don't think it was fearing the opposition of thEvars.

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P_R,

Neenga romba appAvingO :lol2:

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kalyan is right.. financial reasons ellaam illa PR..

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Oh ok ! :oops: News to me.
Sorry and Thanks Kalyan.

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Sujatha told this explicitly in an article/interview ...

"antha samoogathula irukkura mukkiyaama makkal Kamal evvalavu solliyum othukkave illa.. " or something like that...

""மருதநாயகம் என்ற ஒரு அருமையான ஸ்கிரிப்ட் செய்து படப்பிடிப்பு கூட துவங்கியது. யுசுப்கான் என்பவனின் கதை. மதுரை நவாபாக ராபர்ட் க்ளைவின் காலத்தில் ஆட்சி செய்தவன்.
வெள்ளைக்காரர்களுக்கு போர்க்காலத்தில் சரக்கு கட்த்திய பிறகு அவர்களுக்கு தென்மாநிலங்களில் வரி வசூல் செய்ய உதவி, கவர்னர் பதவி பெற்று பிறகு வெள்ளைக்காரர்களையே எதிர்த்துக் கொண்டு தன்னிச்சையாக மதுரை நவாபாக நியமித்துக்கொண்டு வெள்ளையன் கோபத்துக்குள்ளகி தூக்கு தண்டனை விதிக்கப்பட்டு மதுரைக் கோட்டைக்குள்ளிருந்து போரிட்டு மாண்ட ஒரு மாவீரனின் கதை அது.

கான்சாகிப் ண்டை என்ற நாட்டுப்புறக்கதைப் பாடலும் ரைலண்ட் கில் எழுதிய வாழ்க்கைச் சரித்திரத்திலும் ஆராய்ச்சி செய்து திரைக்கதை பண்ணியிருந்தோம். படப்பிடிப்பு துவங்கியது. எலிசபெத் ராணி அதைத் துவக்கி வைத்தார். அரை மணி நேர படமும் தயாரானது. விதி மீண்டும் மெல்ல நகைத்தது.

அந்தக் கதையில் தேவர் சமுதாயத்திற்கு இழுக்காக பாட்சிகள் இருப்பதாக யாரோ வேண்டாதவர் புரளி கட்டிவிட்டதில் என்னதான் கமல் சமாதானம் சொன்னாலும் அந்த முக்கியான சமுதாயத்தில் முக்கியமானவர்கள் சமாதானமாகவில்லை. மருதநாயகம் அதனால் கைவிடப்பட்டது.

அதுமட்டும் முடிவு பெற்றிருந்தால் லகானுக்கு முன் வெளிவந்திருக்கும் படம் நிச்சயம் ஆஸ்கார் போயிருக்கும் வென்றிருக்கும்.
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http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/archi...HaasaR___.html

btw pulithEvan is not likely to be the only challenge (idhellAm yOsikkAmayA ezhudhirippAnga).

From what I have read about Yusuf Khan (adhAvadhu, the wikipedia page), it must have been quite challenging to portray him as a 'hero' in a way Tamil audiences may emphathize with.

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Originally Posted by Anban

Kalyan,

Kamal is consistent, atleast statistically.. criticisms/community-population will be more or less constant across various communities...

http://www.barghouti.com/islam/meaning.html

kindly see the meaning of Islam..

ridiculing religion is different from ridiculing ridiculing religious beliefs and practices which are extra-additions to the real thing..

Kamal is the guy who wrote the lines "marumurai varuvathaai solli maainthavar vanthatheyy illai..."

I dont think tele evangelist is a gud comparison here..


sontha karuththa sonnaa thappu illai.. inge avaru onnum vyaabaaram pannalaye... DGS Dhinakaran, Paul etc Benz car-la thaan poraangalaam..

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Clarification No.1: May be, my choice of the word 'tele evangelist' was not very appropriate. I didnt refer to the preachers from only one religion or from only one family. I included all the religious preachers, who spend more time in recruiting more heads for their organisation rather than offering solace to their own brethern (which is what they are originally supposed to do)

Clarification No.2: I dont want to get dragged into 'meaning of islam' etc. We are just discussing about KH's ideologies expressed in media.

Of course, if he can criticise either 'principles' or 'practices' of a religion, he can criticise the 'principles' and 'practices' of other religions too.

Clarification No 3: "marumurai varuvathaai solli maainthavar vanthatheyy illai..."

I am seeing this in a entirely different light now, until now i have thought it refers to as rebirth, reincarnations, punarjanma of the Hindu faith. You have a point, this could have also been a covert dig at 'the resurrection'. But it is still pretty covert since a certain amount of ambiguity exists. :notworthy:

Kalyan,
I'm afraid your argument doesn't make much sense. Which community is Kamal not a part of? And how exactly? Is it simply because he isn't a believer? How does merely expressing one's lack of belief take one out of the community one otherwise belongs to?

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Kalyan,
I'm afraid your argument doesn't make much sense. Which community is Kamal not a part of? And how exactly? Is it simply because he isn't a believer? How does merely expressing one's lack of belief take one out of the community one otherwise belongs to?

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KH has admitted so many times that he is neither a Brahmin nor a Hindu. One of his very popular statement was 'My father was a Brahmin. I am not one"