Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Other religions have a single code of conduct for all its members. So atleast within the religion there is tolerance.

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This, Pizzalot, does not hold water. Christianity has many denominations and each denomination has its own codes of conduct or rules for adherents. The rules for Sunni Muslims are different from those for Shia Muslims. They have separated as they could not agree on a single code for themselves. Mahayana Buddhism has rules which are different from those of Hinayana Buddism.

The intolerance to a code results in excommunication by the Pope of the offending member in the case of Catholicism who have codes different of course from those of the Pentecost Church!! (for example). The Muslims issue death warrants (fatwah) against their own members. You see, the intolerance in these religions are INSTITUTIONALISED AND RIGOROUSLY ENFORCED. There is no such promulgation or enforcement in Hinduism!! Not institutionalized in Hinduism: there may be “pressure” applied by peers and family members. No fatwahs. No excommunications, which is why other religions are free to operate in India and attract Hindus into their fold. The bill against forced conversions was by a duly constituted government in TN and not by a religious authority like the Ayatolah in Iran!! Consequently, Hindus have lost many of their members to other religions in recent times. That Anti-conversion law is now repealed.

Summarizing this point for you: There is no official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practised in Hinduism. Agree?

Will continue….

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

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Other religions have a single code of conduct for all its members. So atleast within the religion there is tolerance.

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This, Pizzalot, does not hold water. Christianity has many denominations and each denomination has its own codes of conduct or rules for adherents. The rules for Sunni Muslims are different from those for Shia Muslims. They have separated as they could not agree on a single code for themselves. Mahayana Buddhism has rules which are different from those of Hinayana Buddism.

The intolerance to a code results in excommunication by the Pope of the offending member in the case of Catholicism who have codes different of course from those of the Pentecost Church!! (for example). The Muslims issue death warrants (fatwah) against their own members. You see, the intolerance in these religions are INSTITUTIONALISED AND RIGOURSLY ENFORCED. There is no such promulgation or enforcement in Hinduism!! Not institutionalized in Hinduism: there may be “pressure” applied by peers and family members. No fatwahs. No excommunications, which is why other religions are free to operate in India and attract Hindus into their fold. The bill against forced conversions was by a duly constituted government in TN and not by a religious authority like the Ayatolah in Iran!! Consequently, Hindus have lost many of their members to other religions in recent times. That Anti-conversion law is now repealed.

Summarizing this point for you: There is no official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practised in Hinduism. Agree?

Will continue….

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well said :thumbsup:

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On the contrary Qoran and Bible have been successfuly used and based word by word as Law in several countries.

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I CANNOT AGREE THIS RUBBISH.

It seems you don't know who are Talibans..
They don't respect women.
They can have how many women they want..

In Bible it is written to don't steal, how many Christians stolen and converted America ,India, Africa and Asia ??....

In Bible it is written to don't kill, who are the crusaders ??

In Quoran it is said that killing is not good, but why Muslims do a holy war ?? Is it not hypocritical ??

Pizzalot i can say and AFFIRM you that percentage of Hindus couple who divorce is SO MUCH LESSER than Christians and Muslims.

Why ??
Is it not good or do you think it is bad ??

You are AN IGNORANT.

Eat your pizza in front of your television !!

Bismala, well said mate :wink:

THERE IS NO DOGMA IN HINDUISM !!!!!

Don't you know that Pizza ??

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Originally Posted by Pizzalot

How much the eipcs, scriptures, puranas etc of Hinduism, have really helped frame the Hindu Laws in India ? The epics, gospels etc I believe have this "article of faith" central to in them. So we should be able to turn them into practical laws and expect evey Hindu to abide by it.

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THANK YOU FRIENDS.

Mr Pizzalot,

I have not taken Hindu Law but there is subject in legal studies by that name. It is one of the 52 – 60 law subjects you can study for your BL or LLB. Are you referring to this subject? (Optional Subject)
I do not know how much of puranas, scriptures etc., went into this “Hindu Law”. I do not think India has a Hindu Legal Code (specially enacted) , for I have not come across any in my U law library in Malaysia. Neither in the Inns of Court library in England. I do not know whether you are from the legal background but collection of relevant judicial precedents and writings of eminent Hindu jurists can be sources of Hindu Law and these can be used in dispute-settlement by the courts of law.
I suggest you visit your nearest library or law bookshops for the materials you are seeking. But I know that some “rules” from the scriptures have been applied to cases before them by the Indian courts. Once applied in that manner, the judgements
will be made available in the AIR or BLR or other series. I cannot set out to do a research in this area. But why do you say that every Hindu must abide by these “laws” ? Why do you think that these laws are not being applied now by the Courts in India where they are applicable? Please let us know your interest.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

HINDUISM IS THE MOST INTOLERANT OF ALL RELIGIONS, pathetically, even today. Imagine how it should have been in those "glorious days".

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I think that statement cannot be accepted at face value. I think tolerance is something based on the geographical area or more specifically culture rather than religion.
For example the Islam practiced by the Egyptians is very different to that practiced by Iranians. Its a result of basic cultural differences. The same is true of Hinduism as well. There are differences in the way it is practiced in different parts of India. So blaming one religion, any religion is unfair.

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

Summarizing this point for you: There is no official, institutionalized, organized intolerance practised in Hinduism. Agree?

Will continue….

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Yes mala, do agree with this. But don't know how long this statement will remain true, as anyone can see efforts are on to make this statement false by a section in India.

Pls continue, your words are as clear as ever. :)

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Originally Posted by Pizzalot

]We know for sure we could not base our Constitution upon it. But how much the Hindu Laws itself have been derived from Hindu scriptures ? If the current Hindu Law is nothing to do with Ramayana or Mahabharatha or any Purana or "article of faith" then what use have we got reading and spending so much time on them ?

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Well, how would you frame a Hindu legal provision or a Christian legal provision or an Islamic legal provision? You can write into the constitution a provision like this:
1. No Speaker of the Parliament shall commence any parliamentary proceeding without first having conducted a full puuja presided over by a brahmaNa priest in accordance with the Hindu scriptures at least one hour before any such proceeding is scheduled to commence.
In another section of the constitution, you can include a declaratory provision that the Hindu religion shall be the state religion for the Republic of India including the state of Kashmir!!
After writing all such provisions, you still have to define the rights, duties, responsibilities, functions, etc of the various organs of the state and its officers, whether elected or otherwise. Many provisions must necessarily be secular and no religious content can be logically induced into them. It is the success or failure of the secular provisions that will determine the well-being and survival of the state!! Religious provisions will just “decorate” the constitution if anything. Pujaaris can be happy with them, that is all. The same goes for any other religion.
How and to what extent can a constitution be “religionised”? You have to tell us pizzalot!!
Have you read the Pakistani constitution?
Suggest to them to rename the “President” as “Chief Caliph”!
The constitution can then become “more Islamized”.

Reading Ramayana and Puranas: You and I cannot dictate to others what they should do. If you do not want to read it, well and good. If someone else wants to read them, so be it!! What is wrong is reading Ramayana? Ramayana deifies Rama the king as an incarnation just like the Quaran exalted Muhamad as a prophet. Ultimately, it is what you believe. We cannot dictate to people what to believe. When you are unable to tell X what he should believe, why should you tell Y what Y should believe? Or what to read?


Since you will agree God is almighty, there is nothing he cannot do, why can’t he come down as Rama? Is God limited or restricted in some way?

In summary, I would say: they have their freedom in which you and I cannot interfere.

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

If they were so intolerant say me why they allowed west and east bengal creation ?....You just refuse to see the reality.

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Politics is often confused with religion. In my opinion, politics should stay clear of religion and vice versa. If not then, one will end up in a mess what India-Pakistan-Bangladesh is now.
Partition was a result of pure politics played by the 'leaders' of those times. A very simplified version would be - Jinnah wanted what was considered a huge share of power. The Congress failed to accommodate him,so he played the religious card and the whole of Congress fell for that. And no one has risen from that still now.

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

If they were so intolerant why so much religions born in India ???

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The names of what we understand as 'Religion' was generally given by non-Indian natives. I think it is generally accepted that the Persians (if i am not right, then some other non-Indian) gave the name Hinduism and the same is the case with Buddhism. The name was given by outsiders. So India is a birth place of many movements which later evolved into religions.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

I know several places where the Gods and Gospels contradict the Hindu Law.

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Law is made for human beings to comply. Laws made by humans are not applicable to Gods and Goddesses!! How can any human make laws for Gods and Goddesses? As I have already told you in an earlier post, the sources of Hindu Law are : judicial pronouncements in past court cases as well as writings of eminent Hindu jurists. They get their materials from the Hindu books such as Vedas. Puranas etc., etc., The rules extracted from them are for human compliance. You know well that you cannot indict a God or Goddess.

Just like God or Allah causes or permits earthquakes and tsunamis. If human beings caused them, you can indict them in court for genocide. You cannot touch God or Allah!! – even though causing a tsunami is a great offence and a crime against humanity!! Goddess marrying many times is a much lesser crime (if you want to call it that ) than causing a tsunami. Reason: if Goddess married many times, no human dies in consequence as in earthquake or tsunami. I know of a god-man who married 9 life partners so why not a Goddess?

Now you can also look at it in another way. Goddess marrying many times causes no misery or financial problems. But humans marry many times will increase the woes of the world. So Hindu laws are for humans and not for celestial beings.
Ok?

YOUR BASIC FAULT: YOU THOUGHT HUMAN LAWS APPLY TO GODS AND GODDESSES WHEN THEY DO NOT EVEN APPLY TO PROPHETS WHO ARE HUMAN BEINGS!!
Now pizzalot, I do not know what is your religious persuasion. Do not tell me. But you can judge the issue according to your own persuasion. In case you did not believe in any god or goddess, then better still. Since gods and goddesses do not exist for you, there is automatically no conflict or contradiction whatsoever. How can anything contradict with something non-existent.

So, no case at all however you look at it!!