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wow... Thanks for the same. But what is the quality of RAGHU.. I mean .. He will destroy the house he occupies. Right ? This applies to KETU as well. IF that is the case, does GURU, RAGHU AND KETU are same in this case.. I mean destroying the house they occupy !Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Selvakumar,
Kuj vat Kethu
Sanivat Rahu.
Rahu is like sani. It increases the house where he sits.
Kethu does not destroy but gives seperation from that karakatva of the house.
If he is in 7th, Kethu may give seperation from wife due to many reasons like work, service, difference of opinion etc.
Nichiro
Rahu, Kethu are chhaya grahas. They show the effect of the lord of the house they occupy...says one principle of astrology.
Nichiro, Thanks for the information. So, If we have RAGHU in 12th house, what does that mean.. :confused2: more expenditure, then :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
If that is the case, RAGHU IN 6TH HOUSE SHOULD INCREASE ENEMIES.. Right :?: But RAGHU in 6th house is famous for bringing ENORMOUS LUCK, DESTRUCTION OF ENEMIES etc Again :confused2:
SIGNIFICANCE OF 12TH HOUSE
The 12th house in a horoscope encompasses matters that signify material loss. In practice, any house that is in the 12th from another, would signify loss regarding matters governed by that house. In other words, any given house would indicate loss to the matters governed by the house that lies next to it. So, the seeds for triggering a loss in efforts, courage and communication (ruled by the 3rd house) lie in the 2nd house, loss of conjugal bliss and marital harmony (ruled by 7th house) may be studied from the 6th, and loss of fortune and poise (spiritual equilibrium signified by the 9 th house) may be studied from the 8 th house since it lies in a chart in the 12 th house from the 9 th!
The 12th house, therefore, is not a very easy house in materialistic terms; however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of paramount importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics. Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and matters such as 'pleasures of the couch' - happy rests the head that has nothing that remains to be lost, I suppose! Other things that may be studied from the 12th house include the state of one's sleep, dwelling and wandering in lands foreign to one, karmic burdens, investment expenses, institutions and similar issues.
Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the quest for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major way when one faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is extremely dear. During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's attachments and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably, experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and the degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can bring within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the effect, however, is felt unambiguously.
We can perhaps say that the 12th house signifies the material price that one must pay in order to reap spiritual gains. Obviously, the two 'realities' or realms of awareness hardly enjoy any equivalence in values. What might sound like a terrible loss when awareness is focused in the materialistic plane might not automatically signify something of equal positive or negative value in the spiritual!
Planets that are associated with the 12th house in a horoscope, for instance those that are located in the 12th, are important indicators of the materialistic areas that need work so that one may reap spiritual benefits. The natural significance (role; karakattwa) of such a planet must be taken into account, as well as those things signified by its rulership over houses in the given horoscope.
The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house would signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific focus as during double duty as a significator of the self and ego, two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house! Should such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be present in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the path towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task, signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant, lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels? The mantra for someone with such a horoscopic signature obviously is to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with simply "appearing" to be humble!
For someone who is born with Venus in the 12th, the battle becomes one that is fought less at the mental level! Indeed, such may be the plethora of artifacts of pleasure, luxury and distractions that one finds the time and opportunities to think about the soul, much later in the game of earthly existence, perhaps through finding a parental role!
While this may not be cast in stone, more often than not, when one is born with a planet in the 12th house, one is almost assured of 'reminders' from the spirit! These reminders may appear in one of many different forms, but generally are unmistakable and quite often persistent. These could occur during significant transits, and during the periods of dasha (the Vedic system of timing using a special form of progression of the natal moon) of planets situated in the 12th house as well as during periods of planets in the stars ruled by planets that are associated with the 12th. One may choose to treat the 12th house as ones enemy and may try to reduce its impact but running and hiding in the game of spiritual evolution merely delays the inevitable, namely, that growth and maturity is the birthright of the soul and is best handled by facing rather than turning away from opportunities for growth that challenge us throughout life.
Rahu in 6th increases the enemies but it always gives the person special ability to overcome/defeat the enemies.
Rahu in 12th is found to be un happy situation. It sometimes makes a person whimsical, interested in extramarital affairs, cheating wife, govt, Problems , problems with co workers etc.
Each chart needs to be studied in isolation. Generalities do not always apply.
Nichiro
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: OMG.. Thanks for the information ! :oops: and .........clean bowled here :( What about if it is depleted.. ! I mean in TAURUSQuote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Dear Nichiro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Thanks for making this discussion more lively... and RICH.
(1) Any Astrological conclusion has to be arrived...
(a) not only by the placement of a Planet in a particular house...
b) but also the ownership of that house plus the relation with planet under consideration as well as
(c) other planets aspecting it...and also...
(d) the Kaarakathwam (Committed-Performane)of the Panet concerned... etc.
Thus the placement of Guru in the 6th house...if it be RISHABA or THULA the Sukra's... being Guru's Enemy...will make vast diiference,
... from the cases of MESHA or VIRISCHIKA... the Houses of Mars the friend...
...as well as the cases of MEENAM or DHANUSU... Guru's own Houses...
...and KATAKA...Guru's Ucha (Exaltation) House...
... far more different in MAKARA...his Neecha-(Debilitation) House.
(2) Another point I am unable to understand how you say... that the 6th house relates to income!
In fact it relates to DEBTS... and Concealed wealth... adding constant Worries... the Negative aspects of INCOME.
(3) I have never heard of Guru affecting Saiya-Sukham by its aspecting the 12th House...(related to Bed-pleasures also).
In fact by its beneficiary factor aspecting... it must fortify the 12th Bhava.!.. Is it Not?
How the basic Law and Aspecting-Quality of Guru... works contrary here.?..
...Sorry, I am unable to follow your point.
...
Selvakumar,
6th house is opposite of expenditure.
12th is shaiya sukha sthanam as well as expenditure.
Guru in 12th, IMHO and experience is detrimental to marriage as Guru destroys the house he occupies.
In fact it is only the aspect of Guru which is good and not his occupancy.
Guru in 8th is very bad for longevity and I have many examples of short life people
's charts having Guru in 8th.
Nichiro
8th - house of other people's money , tax , death and rebirth , sex ( small death ), financial spiritual support ,partnership psychological and spiritual death , gambling , inheritance, ,rituals , secrets and tranformation . die and reborn to next level or life after death, reincarnation ,interested in religious occult or the psychic issues , dowry . unearned wealth and long life too .
and if guru in 8th house one will be lucky in those areas .
i am a sudent too .
i always heard guru in 8th house people lived beyond 95
guru in 8th house sexual relationship is more like spiritual connection but
if mars in 12 its just secret affairs unethical cheating
kinky ! ?
same with guru in 12 th house secret sex affairs too . is it true they dont want to marry discreet connections alone satisfactry ?
also mars in 8th house give accidents but guru streches life in 8th house .
nichiri pls tell me bit about mars in 12 th house if you can .