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26th April 2012, 03:48 PM
ajithfederer

Ivvalavu naal ninga appadi than pannitu irundhinga. Vaasthavam dhaan. Naan illainnu sollala. Now whether that is right or wrong is whole another issue. But all these days you guys have been abysmal and now you guys are starting to get better. Now suddenly everybody gets a wake up call and when they see the reason for your team's better performance it's mostly the Saffers who stand out.

Another sub-issue in that is the regularity in picking up players and the composition of your team. There are at-least 4/5 foreign players in your Main XI. Ungalukku appadi theriyama irukkalam but for outsiders that is a stark difference. Secondly what seemed to be a random habit in the past now it has become a regular habit (sports recruiting) and now it definitely seems very odd and concerning to other countries.

And now to the main and the obvious issue is Eng team recruiting from everywhere now has become a problem for other countries.
(i) Why because other countries are not allowed to do the same.
(II) Other countries are obviously in a handicap because of (i) and playing against good players from multiple countries is obviously a disadvantage/

You seem to quite obviously discard the above reasons which is a shock.

However, I expect this issue to snow ball in the coming years. Appo paakalam what does ICC, ECB and CA(the unholy trinity) conspire then?
26th April 2012, 03:49 PM
P_R

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Trott/KP who have nothing in common with Eng culture and they even speak with Africans accent :lol: ended up represented Eng by taking advantage of visa rules..ethula enga naturalize/first world/multiculturalism logic eruku?

England-la niRaiya pEr avaingaLai maadhiri iruppAinga illaiyA?
I had a hard time getting myself understood in some restaurants once when I was in England. Many of the waiters are from Eastern European countries. So much English in England!
naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.

avinga team avinga oor maadhiri irukku. adhai paarththu vambadiyA naama soodu pOttukka koodaadhu. That is all I am saying.

idhai sonnA Flau kaNdabadi thittaraar.
26th April 2012, 03:51 PM
ajithfederer

Ashes 2005 : Enna dhan flintoff MOS naalum Pietersen illaina ninga adhai jeichirukka mudiyadhu :bow:.
26th April 2012, 03:53 PM
ajithfederer

Avanga oor karanuga edhukku kekka poraanga?. As long as their team is winning they wouldn't give two hoots about it.

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Originally Posted by P_R

naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.
26th April 2012, 04:01 PM
P_R

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Now suddenly everybody gets a wake up call and when they see the reason for your team's better performance it's mostly the Saffers who stand out.

Oh idhu Murali-yai yEn edhirkkuraanga 'nRa maadhiri. Principle becomes problematic only when it is successful.
yEdhO anga inga aaL eduththu thOththukittu irundheenga okay. ennadhu idhu naansens maadhiri jeyikkira pazhakkam. enna aniyAyam idhu :lol2:

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Secondly what seemed to be a random habit in the past now it has become a regular habit (sports recruiting) and now it definitely seems very odd and concerning to other countries.

Point taken.

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(i) Why because other countries are not allowed to do the same.

Here too I am not arguing with this at all.
Let me ask a simple qn: how would you feel about an Indian team that a had a Kiwi, Saffer, Aussie and WIndian?
You, Plum and wizzy seem to consider it absolutely no different from a mixed bag England team. Or do you perceive a difference at some visceral level but still feel it is only fair that India should have that option, given England has.

If it is the latter I atleast have an understanding of what you are saying. The former is frankly quite bewildering to me.

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

(II) Other countries are obviously in a handicap because of (i) and playing against good players from multiple countries is obviously a disadvantage

This I substantially discount. Atleast until they recruit a Lankan who can play spin :-) I don't think there are new skills that have been added to the English arsenal (if such a thing can be defined across players in the first place) which owe to such international recruitment.
26th April 2012, 04:03 PM
wizzy

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Originally Posted by P_R

England-la niRaiya pEr avaingaLai maadhiri iruppAinga illaiyA?
I had a hard time getting myself understood in some restaurants once when I was in England. Many of the waiters are from Eastern European countries. So much English in England!
naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.

avinga team avinga oor maadhiri irukku. adhai paarththu vambadiyA naama soodu pOttukka koodaadhu. That is all I am saying.

idhai sonnA Flau kaNdabadi thittaraar.

Saar as a cricket fanatic/custodian of the game naan ketpaen :-) ..it makes a mockery of the sport..comparing a guy working in a restaurant to make ends meet /playing for a country is a bad analogy...things can turn sore if peeps switch sides at a push of a button..quoting Vaughan when the spotlight was on Trott.

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Vaughan claimed he saw the South Africa-born Trott, who has been included in the England party to tour South Africa this winter, congratulating the opposition after their win at Edgbaston which sealed a series victory in Vaughan's final Test.

Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week before he had been our 12th man at Headingley.

"I was going into the press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home what English cricket has become like."

and this takes the cake :lol2:

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"I suppose you might wish Trott was a bit more English, but after such a brilliant debut it appeared we had found another high-quality batsman."
26th April 2012, 04:05 PM
P_R

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Avanga oor karanuga edhukku kekka poraanga?. As long as their team is winning they wouldn't give two hoots about it.

Operative word.
I would stop feeling close to an Indian team (yERkanavE romba suththam) composed of a battery of imported foreigners.
Perhaps Plum can appreciate those wins.

It'll be fun if I think about it. A full white Indian team defeating a full brown English team and Plum celebrating. :lol:
26th April 2012, 04:11 PM
P_R

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Saar as a cricket fanatic/custodian of the game naan ketpaen :-) ..it makes a mockery of the sport..comparing a guy working in a restaurant to make ends meet /playing for a country is a bad analogy...

adhaavadhu restaurant-la vElai pAkkalaam aanaa cricket viLayAduravan uLLoorkaaranA dhaan irukkaNumndreenga.

ennaiyE racist 'ngraar. neenga paavam saar.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

things can turn sore if peeps switch sides at a push of a button..quoting Vaughan when the spotlight was on Trott.

idhellAm exaggeration. Warne wasn't tough on KP as they were country friends 'ngra mAdhiri kooda sonnAinga.
26th April 2012, 04:18 PM
ajithfederer

1. Naan solrardhu vera ninga puriknjukaradhu vera. Vidunga.

2. Happada oru point aavadhu othukittaruba.

3. I would feel odd but do you think BCCI would care as long as they bring Trophies. Again my point is What Eng are doing may drive other countries to do the same which is not good for the sport.

4. Yenga 2 different domestic circuits, conditions vera, velayadura batsman vera. SA fielding oru example aa eduthukonga. You guys leave others at a definite handicap.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Oh idhu Murali-yai yEn edhirkkuraanga 'nRa maadhiri. Principle becomes problematic only when it is successful.
yEdhO anga inga aaL eduththu thOththukittu irundheenga okay. ennadhu idhu naansens maadhiri jeyikkira pazhakkam. enna aniyAyam idhu :lol2:

Point taken.

Here too I am not arguing with this at all.
Let me ask a simple qn: how would you feel about an Indian team that a had a Kiwi, Saffer, Aussie and WIndian?
You, Plum and wizzy seem to consider it absolutely no different from a mixed bag England team. Or do you perceive a difference at some visceral level but still feel it is only fair that India should have that option, given England has.

If it is the latter I atleast have an understanding of what you are saying. The former is frankly quite bewildering to me.

This I substantially discount. Atleast until they recruit a Lankan who can play spin :-) I don't think there are new skills that have been added to the English arsenal (if such a thing can be defined across players in the first place) which owe to such international recruitment.
26th April 2012, 04:19 PM
wizzy

P_R w.r.t identity you can't compare a sportsmen who represents a country to a blue color whose sole motive is to earn as much whilst he could and leave the country even at the first sight trouble to his livelihood.

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