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Ithu enna Logic ?? These Migrants are not considered as English (British) unless they were born in Britain, once they qualify to be British, i.e. get UK citizenship / passport. They came under various categories like British Asians, Bristish Africans, British Orientals etc. They are never classified as British!Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
BTW The so called Inglees People are them selves Migrants (Saxons) from what is now called Germany :lol2:
batting for starters :huh: take out/rest KP/Trott and replace it with home grown talents in Ravi/Owais and then we can see how much Eng owe their recent sucess to these mercenaries.Quote:
Atleast until they recruit a Lankan who can play spin :smile: I don't think there are new skills that have been added to the English arsenal (if such a thing can be defined across players in the first place) which owe to such international recruitment.
These are rather simplistic notions wizzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
Do you think Trott, KP are not committed to given their all for England to win? There is no doubting their commitment. And I say that as the lone England fan in these parts. neenga ellAm idhukku kavalaippadavE thEvai illaiyE :lol2:
I would think they'll be especially motivated when playing against SA. Vaaganam kidakkaan, avanukku therinjadhu avvaLavu dhaan. Polite-A appreciate paNNAma, opposition mEla kallai koNdu eriya solluvaan pOla irukku.
P_R things seem normal until the tables aren't reversed..do you foresee Trott/KP playing for their adopted country without taking in the moolah like the Lankans cricketers been doing for the past year or so :huh: appo theriyum motivation/commitment/passion et all...ethaiyum naan ketka koodatha :lol:
Simple q - why are you pre-emptively defending when I say that England will change rules if the boot is on the other foot? 1) you seem to be hasty in issuing a certificate now itself that "England cricket nalaththukkAga india foreignersai recruit paNdradhai rule pOttu thaduppAnga". Why can't you accept that if tomorrow wehn roles are reversed, England will change the rules just for their convenience as opposed to love for Cricket? Why give pre-emptive certificates? 2) suppose we start recruiting Zadran kapoor or someone from Afghanistan, iand England's foreign supply dries out, appavum ECB will get the rules changedngaren. Adhukkum as a passionate Cricket fan, you'Ll be happy? Adhukku enna "England are innocent guardians of cricket" reason vechurukkeenga? KEttA apdi nadakkAdhunu maindain paNNa vENdiyadhu.veto vechukittu thangalukku saadhagamaa rule paNNina naadharis mEla avLO nambikkai? Your refusal to criticise England and ECB for anything is a real real indicator. Ningallaam business classla londonla vasikka vendiyavar.. Naan kandi bccila irundhaa unga ALunga kaNNula maNNeNNai vuttu chitravadhai paNNuvEn. Soozhcikku soozhci, vanjanaikku vanjanai, naadharithanathukku naadharithanam" your guys are lucky that BCCI doesn't bother about such things. If they did, I believe Seenu mama is cunning enough to outsmart your guys. Avar priorityla idhellaam illai avLO dhaan.
Along with Sachin the only other cricketer who is still playing from when I started watching cricket :notworthy: and as I wished he has crossed 10k mark today :clap: Enna India kooda thaaru maara velandu appo appo kadupu kelapuvaan.
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Chanderpaul joins 10,000 club
Shivnarine Chanderpaul has become the 10th batsman and the second West Indian to pass 10,000 runs in Test matches, reaching the mark on the fourth day of the third Test against Australia at Windsor Park in Dominica.
In keeping with much of his career, Chanderpaul passed 10,000 in the midst of a desperate Caribbean fight in the fourth innings to stave off defeat at the hands of the Australians on a deteriorating pitch, moving forward from his inimitable stance to push a delivery from Michael Clarke wide of mid-on and go to 14 for his innings.
Chanderpaul reached the milestone in his 140th Test, emulating Brian Lara's feat of also passing 10,000 for the West Indies. He was congratulated warmly by the Roseau crowd and also by Australia's fielders, who all applauded once the single was taken. The 10,000th run also served to take his Test match batting average back above 50.
Earlier in the series Chanderpaul had surpassed Lara as the highest run-scorer of all West Indian batsmen at Kensington Oval in Barbados, and said at the time that he had always taken particular satisfaction from runs made against Australia, as they are always hard-earned.
"Always a tough, tough opposition and you always have to fight and it is always well to do good against them," he said. "There are always things at the back of your mind because you always want to do well.
"Against an opposition like Australia if you're doing well against them you know the world is watching. When you go against them you have to bring your A game. You can't just walk out and decide that you can play anyhow against them. You have to step up."
At 37, Chanderpaul has witnessed many barren years in West Indies cricket, but has expressed optimism that the team is showing signs of significant improvement under the captaincy of Darren Sammy and the coaching of Ottis Gibson. This has encouraged him to prolong his career, having debuted against England in his home country of Guyana in March 1994.
"We all can see it, the guys are getting better, the younger players are coming through," Chanderpaul had said in Barbados. "That's what we've been aiming for over the years, you want to see the younger players come through. Now we're seeing it and that's the future, we have to plan that way."
Chanderpaul is doing his best to support this development with his bat, again leading the averages and aggregates against Australia.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-ind...ry/562851.html
Five of Chanderpaul's best
Five of Shivnarine Chanderpaul's finest Test innings
71 v Australia, Sydney, 1996
On his first Test tour of Australia, a skinny Shivnarine Chanderpaul, still without a Test century after 12 games, also did not get one in his 13th at the SCG but produced a sparkling innings in a losing cause that showed his game could be about more than just accumulation. After squandering chances to take charge of the second Test, West Indies required 340 to win. The pitch was turning and on the final morning, they lost their first three wickets in the space of 20 balls, with being Brian Lara one of those three. But Chanderpaul would not go quietly, taking on Shane Warne until the "Earl of Twirl" had to be withdrawn from the attack. He eventually returned to put an end to Chanderpaul's counter-attack with a vicious ball that spun from outside off-stump to bowl him. But the "Tiger" had shown he had a sharp bite.
137* v India, Bridgetown, 1997
A game that will be remembered primarily for India's spectacular slide to defeat, bowled out for 81 chasing 120 by Ian Bishop, Curtly Ambrose and Franklyn Rose in Brian Lara's first ever game was West Indies captain, also produced Chanderpaul's first Test century. Without it, West Indies would not have won. Fittingly, he was Man of the Match for a superior display of technique and courage. It was a bowler's track from the start, uneven bounce and lateral movement helping the fast men. Lara lost the toss and West Indies had to bat. They struggled against new ball bowler Venkatesh Prasad who took five wickets but he could not remove Chanderpaul. Nobody could. Chanderpaul carried his bat for almost seven and a half hours without offering a single chance. His already noted powers of concentration was taken to new heights, and for one rare occasion, his team-mates were able to convert his runs into a victory.
100 v Australia, Georgetown, 1997
This was Chanderpaul at his attacking best. The Australians prevailed in this game comfortably in Chanderpaul's hometown, winning by nine wickets and there were five centuries in the match. None, however, made tongues wag like Chanderpaul's tour de force. Once again it was made in the midst of a crisis. West Indies were 47 for 4 when he replaced Marlon Samuels at the crease, and 53 for 5 when the reliable wicketkeeper Ridley Jacobs joined him at captain Lara's dismissal. It was the first day of the series on a ground where high-scoring matches and rain was the norm. But on this day of dazzling sunshine, Chanderpaul was brilliant. With shots to all parts of the ground, he gave everyone pause, stroking 15 fours and helping himself to two sixes so rapidly that he produced what was at the time Test cricket's third fastest century, off just 69 balls.
104 v Australia, St John's, 2003
Chanderpaul was not at the crease when West Indies actually set the new world record chasing the highest total to win a Test match, but his second-innings century along with Ramnaresh Sarwan's 105 set up a memorable seven-wicket win at the Antigua Recreation Ground. It seemed an improbable task for a side on the brink of being whitewashed 4-0 by Steve Waugh's world champion Australians. The likelihood of getting for 418 for victory seemed to diminish even further once that breaker of records Brian Lara was dismissed by Stuart MacGill for 60 on the fourth afternoon. But Chanderpaul rarely passes up a chance to make runs on a good wicket. And this time he got sufficient help, Ramnaresh Sarwan taking the lead during their fifth-wicket stand of 123 and then Omari Banks adding 84 with him before Chanderpaul himself went early on the final morning to Brett Lee. But only 46 more were needed then.
118 v Australia, Kingston, 2008
The Australians seem to bring out the best in Chanderpaul. This knock was heroic despite coming in another loss; the hero emerging battered and bruised from an intriguing encounter with Lee in the West Indies first innings. Knocked down by a blow to the back of the helmet on 86, he was seen by both the team doctor and physio before being allowed to carry on. Straight away, Chanderpaul was back to his solid self, working the ball around with No.10 Fidel Edwards to eventually reach a century, the ovation for which all of Kingston might have heard.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindi...ry/562861.html
idhukkum naan solradhukkum endha sammandhamum illaiyE.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Multinational nation, multination team. Thassal.
Please read in sequenceQuote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
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Originally Posted by Feddy
Feddy mentioned fielding as an 'advantage' Saffers brought in. I am not too sure. Collingwood ellAm nallaavE pudippAnE.Quote:
Originally Posted by I yam
There is nothing distinctly foreign about Trott is there? If anything his grinding is agmaark English.
KP of course is nothing like anything.
What I was denying is the claim that England was lacking in skills x.y.z that they now have because they have exclusive access to foreign talent and have thus become world beaters.
Merceneries-nu racist-A pEsaadheenga. Open minded-A irunga.
btw is there actually rule currently preventing India from doing what Eng is doing? It is sufficiently odd that India wouldn't bother doing anyway methinks.
The one point to take is what Feddy said. What was happening by itself earlier is not happening in a concerted manner. England is all out focused on recruiting, talent-spotting. Even that I would say is taking advantage of a talent pool they've always had people come from. I don't find it odd.