Obfuscationukku innoru example - AF said England team will be crap without the saffer imports and PR Menaria quotes Thorpe, Gough etc as counter examples. These were decent players - of the order of Jav Srinath - but the team was still crap with them. It is a cleverly subterfugal counter example. Graham Thorpe - pErulaya thORpu. Whenever I hear "Ninnai charan adaindhEn", I think it is apt for current England team - "thunbam ini illai sOrvillai, sOrvillai Thorpe illai".