I have already checked with a Kannada Music enthusiast and he has confirmed both the songs are Traditional Folk songs - Including the tunes. Only the orchestration is done by Raaja.Quote:
Originally Posted by crvenky
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I have already checked with a Kannada Music enthusiast and he has confirmed both the songs are Traditional Folk songs - Including the tunes. Only the orchestration is done by Raaja.Quote:
Originally Posted by crvenky
RS,
Listening to the two tunes wherein lyrics are mentioned as 'traditional' I too was wondering whether Raja has tuned them or done the orchestration. I was very sure 'Gallu Gallu' was not a typical Raja song. I wasn't too sure about the other song 'Bhagyada Belagara'. I thought it sounded a bit modern to be a folk song though the lyrics suggest a folk song.
RS,
A link to an earlier version of the 'Bhagyada Balegara' song can be found at http://www.kannadaaudio.com/Songs/Bh...daBalegara.php
Suresh,
Here is 1 more version of the song: http://as01.coolgoose.com/music/song...HPSESSID=832af
I think Its free form Folk song and there are many tunes available. Raaja should've used one or come up with an entirely new tune.
Kooda Varuviya sounded similar in flow to unnai vida from virumaandi. The second interlude was definitely raaja's as the percussions are uniquely his stamp. But like CR said it is in a positive light so it does not matter. :D
WHAT A FANTASTIC YEAR FOR IR FANS !! :D
If only Mayilu can join this race.... !!
btw..anyone in Chennai hearing these new songs in any FM channels ??
raja fan,
Dont worry we still have Jagan Mohini, Mathiya Chennai, Ayyan & the Magnum Opus 'Pazhasiraaja'. Hope Mayilu & Prem Kahani joins in.
We guys are carefully playing down the words on "Rahmaesque quotient".
I feel melody is Raaja sir's forte. Instruments add only to the melodious tune. I think in that sense, I totally agree with "Sureshs65".
But are we increasingly getting predominated by sounds these days and so start focusing on sounds? I think Raaja sir fans shouldn't and wouldn't do that. I believe the very fact we are his fans reflects our belief in tunes and the intelligence behind those gestations.
Yesterday I heard an announcement in a FMQuote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
"Ippo Ilaiayrajovoda isaiyula valmigi song varudhu"
and then I listened only 1 or 2 seconds of that song then the cab driver changed channel :evil: .
I think it was "Rekka Katti" song
And there is a news
Next Bala film will be with actor Jeeva under R.B.Shoudri production. I heard the movies will not be heavy subject.
He never lost that first of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by popeye11
Don't laugh at me...
but "kooda varuviyaa..." has traces of "Solai pushpangale..en sogam sollungale..."...particularly the humming of Gagai Amaran and the dilrooba interlude comes to my mind..
The begining Tabla + flute rythm is so naughty that it sounds as though it will lead to a seductive number like "Dhak dhak karne lagaa..", but what a pleasant surprise... :)
FYI, i wasn't speaking about sound there. anyway, idha free a viduvomQuote:
Originally Posted by gganesh
Naanum konjam patha vechukren :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
watever, My mind cant stop going to 'Kurukku siruthavale' whenever I listen to this song. and Yes the song is predominantly 'Rahmanisque'. The reason I had a smile when I listened to this song for the first time was, I had always wanted Raaja to break the Myth that He cant do a 'Rahmanisque' Melody. But when we listen to the song keenly in parts its a Raaja song, Only the packaging had made the difference. His grasping power in understanding music is beyond our perception and he could have done this even before is what I think. May be the Director was the asst. of Shankar should've prompted him to do this now is what I feel. :)
Is this the first time Udit Narayanan is singing for thalaivar? Any insight on this?
Why is there a break of voice just at the end of the first charanam of "kooda varuviya" ?
a recording mistake ??
Hulkster, I remember he sang in Namma Preetiya Ramu (remake of Kaasi).
- Naa kano lokavannu (Naan kaanum ulagangal)
- Duddilde hodaru (Rokkam irukkira)
He has sung for IR in the kannada version of "Kasi". I think its kannada version of "Naan kaanum" song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Krishnan
Udit Narayan also sang in the Telugu version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
Oh, good choice. His voice sounds much more better in kannadam. BTW Nannanne Noduvanu is a amazing melody that can make anyone melt. Except for the fact it is mostly synth the songs are all on repeat mode. Except for two songs and one remake(Balegara Balegara) requested by the director, the rest are original tunes.
I am yet doubtful abt Kooda varuviya song. Is it really Bela Shinde and not Shreya Ghoshal? Or was it a printing mistake on CD.
Was it Bela Shinde in Nannavanu's "Mutthamma"? If yes, then she sounds totally different in Kooda varuviya.
Hulk,
Udit Narayan's Kannada pronunciation is atrocious. For 'Naa Jothege' (should mean something like 'along with me') he says 'Nachi Dekhe' (which in Hindi means, 'You dance, let me see' :) Horrible.
Hulk,
'Balegara Balegara' is a remake of which song?
Raagas, Bela Shende's voice is a mix of Sadhana Sargam and Shreya Ghoshal. Her voice has the sweetness of Shreya's voice in most ranges and in some ranges (especially high pitches), she sounds like Sadhana (with a tint of Shreya's voice). You can listen to all her songs (for Yuvan in some movie, for IR in "Unakkulle" song in Dhanam, etc.). For lot of reasons, Shreya is still my favourite, but Bela is trying to catch up. She needs to certainly catch up on pronunciation.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
Yes, her style of singing in Nannavanu makes it sound different and little nasal too.
thanks,
Krishnan
dunno if this was already posted...
http://www.chalchaleinthefilm.com/main.html
2 short sample loops, and a couple of candid snaps of IR in the "gallery". sounds promising!
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgqQ3pMOHig
Yes! I also think Raaja sir fans ought to be mature enough to appreciate what one means by saying Rahmanesque instead of dismissing it as a sound-obsessed comment. After all, being his fan itself gives a "no-validation-required promotion" to elite listeners league, they will be well served if they dont advertise their inability to appreciate *other* good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by gganesh
Certainly I can say, (even CR would say) that it is not about the sound (I didnt even think about it). People who have enjoyed both these legends music heartily will know where each one's sweet spot lies and when the MD has done something out of normal.
Thamizh.. I dont know why some of us feel here these songs are Rahmanesque. Probably Ganesh also is not very sure. But Rahman is synonymous with a "new sound". Actually, Rahman himself, said in one interview that "we have a created a new sound". On the other hand, IR insists that music is nothing new, but he might say "adhi irukkira ovvuru notum ennOdadhu". So in essence I dont think there is anything wrong in Ganesh mentioning this ie. it does not reflect negatively on Rahman.Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Of late, you can see the new songs of IR shows a conscious attempt to provide new "rhythm arrangements". Also, in vaalmiki, the percussion/rhythm is recorded at a higher level than is the norm in IR's songs. I feel IR is "forcing" himself to do this, atleast that is my perception. I am not sure that this is good. Maybe one reason a malayalam producer recently specifically asked for "tabla" song.
(BTW, guys, I think vaalmiki songs sound like kaathal jathi songs to me, in style of composing, please (rec)check it out).
"Of late"? What about "abbani theeyani"? "Nila adhu vaanathumele"? "Maasi maasam"? "Kaattu kuyilu"?Quote:
Originally Posted by kiru
All this talk abt "new sound" and "new rhythm" is balderdash. its all been done before, even before IR. What is important is whether the song is good when the tune, rhythm, orchestration, voice, lyrics etc come together.
Let me scramble to qualify my statement :-) . I am completely in agreement with you - on new arrangements earlier and also everything coming to gether to get a hit. If you see the earlier "hits" or "popular hits" of IR all of them have innovative arrangements, atleast in the pallavi. Many of them would use more than two percussion instruments. Recently though, the focus is on using "synth drum kit" and this is what I am referring to (and I am also referring to the "focus" on this). (And you are right about or agree with you on this being done before IR as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222
"Kooda varuviya" is the modern day equivalent of "kaadhalin theebam ondru" in terms of the freshness, the audacious melody and the way it has taken everyone by storm!!
"oli tharum" belongs to the league of "aa dinagalu" from the kannada film with the same name! the same feel, the same flow and rich melody - the strings played feel like someone caressing with peacock feathers! such images can only be evoked by IR's music - and when Bela Shinde goes "thirundhiya pinney, varundhavadheno, varuvadhu vasanthangaley" the ascending tune , followed by the keyboard/piano is a perfect smooth musical roller-coaster ride!
oh boy! the more I listen to it, the more I see IR's natural flow that I thought was somehow missing every now and then in recent times
wonder whats the Raga "kooda varuviya" based on ? it feels like Hindustani based and definitely IR shd score songs like this in Hindi - they wud become big hits
irir123,
'Kooda Varuviya' is a mixture of two ragas I think. I am not yet sure on the raga which opens this song. (Pahadi, Mohana Kalyani) but from the third line of the charanam ('Malarvanam Poo Poopadhum'.) onwards it turns in Kalyani (or Yaman, which is the Hindustani equivalent).
Dont get me wrong...
Achadicha kaasa and Ennada Paandi
is my pick from the first listen. I am going bonkers with these two.
Then the next is 'thendralum marudhu' - Shreya can get certified as 'suththa thamizh ponnu' just based on the diction of this song.
who has sung Ennada paandi? andha aalukku en saarbil aayiram pon
Jai,
You wrote what I wanted to write :) I was listening to 'Ennada Pandi' and thought that it was one more feather in Raja's cap. BTW, it is Raja himself who has sung the song!! The song is a lovely 'pettai' or 'gana' song. The class of IR shines through and his grasp on various idioms is enviable. As rajasaranam had stated earlier, this is authentic 'gaana' (The only song which comes close to this is from IR's unreleased movie, 'Kaathal Jaathi'. That has a lovely gaana type song, 'Anne Anne'). Both the songs mentioned by you are in a loop.
Reg 'Thenralum Marudhu', rajasaranam had earlier said that this song reminds him of Raja's Mallu songs and I too think the same way. The way synth is used in this song and the way the tune develops is very similar to songs like, 'Punnara Poo' from Friends (Malayalam). I like this song too. As a whole Valmiki is very satisfying with every song being top class.
Watch "Ennada paandi" along with the trailer in youtube. Fitting well for the film..
I now remember, Bela Shinde sang a wonderful song for ARR in Jodha Akbar called "Manmohana". Yes, she does sound like Shreya Ghoshal... infact i mistook that Manmohana was by Shreya Ghoshal when i first heard it. Ilaiyaraaja has used her voice very well in Kooda Varuviya. Exceptionally good composition.Quote:
Originally Posted by krish244
This is one area in which Ilaiyaraaja disappoints me now and then... though not always - Singer Selection. I am all the more shocked that he choose Udit Narayan, who doesnt know the language. Yes, he took Asha Bhonsle and Shreya Ghoshal too, who never knew the language, but the way he made them sound was excellent. Here he completely disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
raagas,
Maybe he took Udit Narayan on request from the producer / director since Udit Narayan is a very famous name in Kannada music nowadays. I can't understand why but that is the truth :(
Neenga Aasaipatta maathiri Raaja aduththa Non-Filmy Album Pannumbdthu antha Aayiram Ponnayum avarkittaye koduthudunga :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
from one perspective.. I agree.. But then..i dont think it is completely false. there has always been that 'new sound' advent in Indian films. And i dont credit only ARR for new sound in the complete history of film music. It is equally applicable to other trendsetters too. Naushad gave a new sound in his days. R.D.Burman gave a new sound (and kind of inculcated the sound sense too). Ilaiyaraaja too gave a new sound, breaking many then existing cliches. And later ARR brought a new sound.It doesnt mean new 'Music', as IR often defines it.it doesnt mean that the 'change' is in same dimension too.The 'new sound' is just the demarcation between how things were and how things are. Ilaiyaraaja too did that.So i dont think its complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222