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I don't know why the Malayalam l & L got messed up here, it shows correctly on google transliterate :-( Even edit doesn't fix it...
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Unicode Malayalam, Plumji. BTW, one of the words is 'azhagikaL'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
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Today happens to be a Friday but there's no 'maRRa' song in PM. (Despite the offensive first line, even the dappAnguththu cannot be placed in that category).
So, I'll continue with the PM songs in the order they appear in the movie :-)
Plum, sumall davut...it was A Jagannathan who did golden son I think :think:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
What is maRRa song ?Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
அடடா :-)
It literally means 'other' :wink: like they say the 'other side of a person'...
...and a slang / euphemism in Malayalam for topics related to sex.
sabbaa ஒரு சொல்லுக்கு இத்தனை அர்த்தங்களா :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#78 தோகை இளமையில் ஆடி வருகுது வானில் மழை வருமோ?
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 )
There was no TV in Trichy when PM arrived. No other place in TN except Chennai had TV until the "National network of DD" came into existence later in that year.
I remember the Kumudam cover pictures in an issue sometime in late 70's - of Chennai TV tower on the front and Tokyo TV tower on the back (absolutely no comparison, just for curiosity they printed both). Another thing -even the Madras one was Black & White only. The color transmission in the country too came around the time of national network launch. (It was done just prior to the Asian games in Delhi in 1982). So, there was no TV in our hostels till my 4th sem, when we got a Solidaire in the common room.
No wonder this song was so much interesting under such circumstances :-) That of an aspiring singer getting a chance to sing on TV! It was wonderful to listen to those words "காற்றோடு கல்யாணம் செய்கின்றதோ"! IIRC, R S had a nice, extra twist in that scene too, of Mohan realizing the handwriting being the same as that of 'iLaya nilA' and switching instantaneously to his own love poem. (If K Viswanath or such acclaimed one does a similar scene, our people will praise as 'classic' 'fundA' etc but when locals, that too country-breds like R S does such, it becomes ordinary :roll: What double standards yA?)
In any case, such a "sichchuvEshan" charged up our IR / SPB combo and they did deliver a phenomenal number! Great melody, wonderful guitar / flute / veeNA interludes, fantastic percussion combo of mridh & tablA and soulful singing by the man of the match.
My first year room mate (very much interested in arguments on any topic in the world, that can last for hours and he could handle multiple people simultaneously just like that) kept talking about how he was upset over Poornima not doing justice to the classical dance - all the 1 hour or so travel back from town to hostel after one watch of the movie. My reasoning of 'non-necessity-of-pure-classical-dance-for-a-love-dream-scene' didn't go well with him :-)
// Poornima Jayaram was one decent, nice actress!
While she didn't have great airs about 'touch me not' etc (like Nadia / Shalini), nobody ever felt she was indecent at any point of time. //
app - If you recall most of the heroines of the time were decent. Then we used have "designated" actresses to do "indecent" parts. Even today I am surprised to see in 70s and 80s heroines mostly wore only saree. In TN today, it is almost impossible to see saree wearing young females, forget the movies.
// Recently some Film of Veesal had the remake of ....... it was "horrible", These re-makes of MSV / IR songs should be banned //
Most of the remakes end-up horrible as the MD tries to spice them up. Engeyum Eppodhum from Pollathavan was one exception. I think it is the only remix that was sung by the original's singer.
// #78 தோகை இளமையில் ஆடி வருகுது வானில் மழை வருமோ?
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 ) //
I caught the video of this song few weeks back - For few seconds GA appears to be watching TV with couple of kids, Who are these kids?
Possibly Venkat Prabhu & Premji - sons of GA. Venkat Prabhu has become a director (Chennai 600028, sarOjA, gOA - all MDed by junior rAsA) and Premji has become a comedian in those movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
thOgai iLamayil youtube : (some portions missing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_WUY...eature=related
All PM video songs available here (better video quality): http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/...sp?clpId=12037
#79 ஏய் ஆத்தா
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 )
The lowest ranked song of PM, possibly introduced to get something "mass" :-( Offensive first line that was criticized by one and all but the song was a big hit nevertheless.
Other than that, the picturization was decent (the couple dancing on a record player was generally enjoyed). Ofcourse, showcased with what ease SPB can deliver such dappAnguththu numbers! Possibly rAsA took a few minutes to compose melody / orch etc, the star instrument being his pet choice for such numbers - the shenoy! The bass guitar score was excellent as well!
In the movie, it was smooth progress for the singer - from a Ottai store veedu to kOvil function to TV show to movie playback :-) All the while, the "love" also progressing :wink:
That was for Saturday, one more due for Sunday...will try to catch up...
ey AthA youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFNdNS945IE
Generally captures the popularity level of TFM in TN, can be called a 'varalARRu AvaNam' :lol:
Enna sir ippadi solliteenga. j/k. We were very crazy about this song that time, after Ilaya Nila, still today. Theatre'e adhirum intha song vantha. Again, many times this song used to come when we were in our school playground and our feet will automatically dance. We used to play this song endlessly in our homes and cherish it's beauty. Inspite all the sheer 'kuthu', the melody and soul is so captivating. As you said the sensational bass portions and shenoy make you wonder how Maestro can pull off such a song in minutes. And only SPB can crack it's inner beauty!
As app mentioned, it was directed by A jaganathan...he directed moondru mugam, kadhal parisu and thanga magan....Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
#80 சாலையோரம் சோலை ஒன்று ஆடும், சங்கீதம் பாடும்
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 , ஜானகியுடன்)
After achieving the movie playback singing, moving out of store veedu etc, finally duet for the hero! What a sweet song (even though there's that minor resemblence to the silsilA song which helped some of my collegemates - especially one close friend - to ridicule me to no end)!
There was this "western-music-specialist" from Thanjavur in our year (he now lives in the DC area) who used to love MSV's trumpet usage. He was the one who introduced me the 'eye of the tiger' song! Now, our "counter" to him during the trumpet discussion was IR's softer use of wind instruments in many songs - sAlaiyOram being referred as the top sample :-)
Vairamuthu shifting from his typical 'half-glass-empty' moanings to 'half-glass-full' approach in this song.
(How? He switches from vErvai / thAgam to kuLir / mazhai :wink: 'neengaL ennaippArththAl "kuLir" adikkum & manadhukkuL EnO "mazhai" adikkum :lol:)
This song marks the end of the happy portion of the movie and it becomes more like olden day Shivaji movie - where first part will be full of kuRumbu / songs / happiness / upward graph etc and later there'll be lot of sOgam.
At the end of 'sAliyOram' the heroine will give a hint with her moist eyes, that's another smart scene by R S :thumbsup:
sAlai Oram youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgJDpGJaX0&feature=related
app,
Thanks for the picks.............
Thogai ilamayil.. padam parthadhum.. piditha mudhal paatu idhu dhan....... dono the reason...........
Salai oram - Great song..... Night mood.. Amaidhiyana road... love.. ellavatraiyum sonna rajavum..
padina singers um Very Great..........
Indeed, Good observation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
Indeed, esp along the lines "சிரித்த சிரிப்பில சில்லரையும் சிதறுது சிவந்த முகும் கண்டு என் மனசு பதறுது " Only SPB Possible :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
Exactly, PS. After that line and just before coming to pallavi that 'Yei' and a pause, oh man! those were the songs.
App, excellently put on salai oram and I expected you would write that the last happy song of the movie before the unhappy climax and ending, and it was there! :smile: Beautiful romance on a pleasant evening and on a no man's road as Ushaji put.
Thank you Usha Chechi & welcome back to this thread :wink: Hopefully Param won't drive you out again :lol2:
Thanks V_S, sAlai Oram was among the richly orchestrated numbers (and recorded decently too) of that time period, IMO, though not to the levels of the kOzhi koovuthu ones that came out in the same year.
Perhaps the topper in PM if one "counts" the # of instruments used :-)
I simply love the prelude, one of IR's best!
yes that "Yei" was said with the maximum intensity! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
Why , what did I do ? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#81 மணியோசை கேட்டு எழுந்து
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 , ஜானகியுடன்)
The irumal / serumal pathos song where SPB acts it out to terrific effect!
Some IR-detractors would love to call this song a recycle of 'mAthA un kOvilil' but I disagree. May be same rAgA (someone please confirm) but there are many notes that are different as per my siRRaRivu and I fail to understand how they call both as the same melody :roll: These are not a pair like "kuyilukkuppam kuyilukkuppam & thooLiyilE Adavantha" .
The prelude itself sets the melancholy in a striking manner and the whole song has depressing tone written all over. Phenomenal singing by SPB -especially the saraNams - and nice support by SJ! With the melody taking care of the necessary impact, IR chose to let the orchestration be minimal with strings / veeNA / flute creating the needed pathos effect.
On the screen too they show the female singer in a totally sOgham way (apart from the struggling Mohan). Supposedly Kalyani Menon (who sang 'nee varuvAi ena nAn irundhEn' in the movie Sujatha under MSV & 'sevvAnamE pon mEghamE' in nallathoru kudumbam under IR's baton; mom of Rajiv Menon who did minsArakkanavu / kaNdu koNdEn*2 )...someone please confirm.
Personally, I found great thrill in the exact reproduction of SPB-isms using my vocal chords in the hostel room :-) Though appreciated by some, one guy was blunt in telling me to stop such nonsense and not sing anymore :lol: (He became a good friend in the next few years, excellent carrom player who took me as partner in doubles inter-hostel matches). His reasoning : I was taking care of all nuances correct but my voice was totally unacceptable & he said songs are 'kaRpooram'! Well, over the years, this was confirmed by more loved ones (my son, wife) and I'm restricted to singing alone in car or in the bathroom when water in on :lol:
chummA for fun-nga, I saw your interchanges on this thread sometime back and chEchi was missing after that :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
yes, "doraghuna" effect! , SPB again done this type of irumal stuff in some 90's song composed by Deva , cant actually remember the name, but the song was quite good for "Dev" Standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
you mean the song from Naan Kadavul? If so there is no similarities what so ever .Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Thanks fully The "Speech Recognition" functionality in the hub is disabled :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Joking anna :)
Yes, it was posted a few times in the hub...BTW, it was a "remix" in nAn kadavuL, the original was by S Janaki in the movie 'achchANi' (we've discussed about the SPB-PS song 'thAlAttu, piLLai uNdu thAlAttu' in this thread)...Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Oh I do have "Short" term memory, will take a look , thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
//#79 ஏய் ஆத்தா
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 )
The lowest ranked song of PM, possibly introduced to get something "mass" Offensive first line that was criticized by one and all but the song was a big hit nevertheless. //
App - IMHO, this is the second best song in PM. I do not think even IR has made so many nice "sophasticated" (in your words) kuththu songs. Adiye Manam Nillunna from Neengal Kettavai is another Kuththu favorite of mine.
//#81 மணியோசை கேட்டு எழுந்து
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 , ஜானகியுடன்)
In the screen too they show the female singer in a totally sOgham way (apart from the struggling Mohan). Supposedly Kalyani Menon (who sang 'nee varuvAi ena nAn irundhEn' in the movie Sujatha under MSV & 'sevvAnamE pon mEghamE' in nallathoru kudumbam under IR's baton; mom of Rajiv Menon who did minsArakkanavu / kaNdu koNdEn*2 )...someone please confirm//
Are you sure? I thought it was some supporting actress - she does some facial expressions in the song. On ther side, Mike Mohan coughs in synch with SPB real well.
Not sure, that's why I wanted the opinions of other hubbers...I think someone said in tfmpage it was K Menon...Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
One such post by knowledgable DF-er, Vijay, here...Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
BTW, read Manisekaran's writing on 'mAdha un kOvilil' in the first post of that thread for an interesting titbit...
Another one by saradha madam where the "original" is not even credited to IR :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
80sஇளையராஜா, வைரமுத்து, பாலா கூட்டணி.
Maniyosai Kettu has very strong resemblance to Matha Un Koyilil. That song is one of IR's favourite song w/o any doubt. It was his concert opening song before it was replaced by "Janani Janani". There is no wonder he wanted it to be sung by his favorite Shreya Ghosal. (My Hypothesis: IR wanted to use this song as "Pichchai" song in Naan Kadavul, but director Bala wanted to use some other song)
genesis,
I don't think IR favors "official" recycles of his songs, especially for a reasonably "original" movie maker of Bala's calibre.
It was more of Bala's idea to grab 'pichchaippAthiram' (a thanippAdal by IR) for the beggar scenes and 'mAdhA un kOvilil' (of achchANi) to connect the conversion of a blind beggar girl to Christianity... I think there was this mild push of the writer's "anti-conversion" agenda as well, which got chopped off by editor or censor.
Thanks anna, I have read his post in the first page ! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#82 வைகறையில் வைகை கரையில் வந்தால் வருவேன் உன்னருகில்
(பயணங்கள் முடிவதில்லை, 1982 )
The last song of the movie, another 'bhaktippAdal-like' number with pathos emotions. The clear Atta nAyakan of this song is SPB who sings with a lot of feeling and nails the last 'Ah Ah' in the saraNam so beautifully. IR, on his part, uses shenoy very effectively to bring the peculiar feel of pathos + temple-like tone. A very unique song in cinema format, this one. (If someone plays this in a riverside village temple in the morning or evening, people'll mistake this for a typical bhaktippAdal but it's equally effective on-screen to suit the strong emotions of the singer).
A definite evergreen number which was popular at the time of arrival too. Actually all the songs of PM enjoyed considerable airtime, bustime, teashop time, function time, festival time etc! They were everywhere in TN for months and the movie too ran for months (silver jubilee in more than one place IIRC). Popularized this 'mike Mohan' thingy with which adaimozhi he is known till today :lol: SN Surendar needs special mention too (who started to dub for Mohan almost regularly from this point).
Some used to tell that this movie had a "tragic" ending (which is partly true as what can be more tragic than untimely death? Even old-age-death is tragic :cry:). Still, I won't call it 'sOgamAna' ending as in the case of moonRAm piRai. As long as lovers are not separated, I'm fine :wink:
I think as per director of PM too, it was not sOgamAna ending. As the title says, it wasn't end of journey(s). Only the director knows how they're to continue :roll:
At the minimum, the journey of the songs of PM - iLaiya nilA, thOgai iLamayil for e.g. - will NEVER END IMHO :-)