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Bhoori (@ c660*) on: Fri May 11 23:50:29
Jeevaa: I strongly object to your posting. There is no reason Mani should beleive in your world view. If you have a disagreement with Manis views, state them and argue them. You are just starting a flame war.
Bhoori (@ c660*) on: Sat May 12 00:47:36
Jeevaa: In a discussion thread like this, you are going to find people who do not agree with and who would passionately argue with you about their disagreements. (For example, you and I have strong differences about the value of Kalki's works.) Calling such people names is certainly going beyond the line. The only reason we all visit these pages is to have a discussion that will stimulate our thinking process and to get introduced to works of importance. As I said in my earlier posting, tearing into such participants just provokes them and does not serve any useful purpose.
I had just finished my earlier posting and then saw what you had written. I was a little annoyed and what I wrote about you starting a flame war itself was a little provocative. If I have annoyed you, I apologize. But I strongly beleive that people like Mani and Jeyamohan (and you too) are quite valuable to these threads; and we should all take it as our hypothesis that everybody who writes honestly; and we should adopt the convention that only their opinions should be harshly refuted and we shouldnt attribute ulterior motives to them.
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Bhoori (@ c660*) on: Sat May 12 12:08:22
Devakachayakumar:
The memory you have about somebody saying that Mani is talking out of jealousy comes from my posting. I suggest that you dig up that posting up again and READ IT! Skimming it will cause confusions like this; hypothetical scenarios shouldnt be confused with reality.
Bhoori (@ c660*) on: Sat May 12 12:33:21
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§¾Å¸º¡ÂÌÁ÷ (@ 129.*) on: Sat May 12 13:06:21
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thank you for the information.
I will dig up and see. You may be right. There could be a possibility for my misunderstanding.
If my understanding is wrong, my apologies.
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Yes, I should have done it. However, to be honest with you, at this moement I am not able to follow who stands for what and said what in the past. Really sorry for the damping correlating capacity of my neurons on Who's Who.
I wish someone could post a review on something rather than living in the Vishnupuram waiting for Vishnu's next roaring rolling ;-)
Satish (@ spid*) on: Sat May 12 16:04:15
how many tamil authors get this kinda attention from readers like jeyamohan? may be jeyakanthan, sujatha and balakumaran?many authors are just there filling pages for many years and no one really cares.
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