Yeah! sure! "untouchability" in "Kerala" isn't as bad as it used to be a century or 2 ago isnt it? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandeep
I know the percentage of christians, Muslims and more importantly 'Communists" in Kerala - and how it is directly related to the "reformed" society in Kerala! :lol:
You are again and again exposing your limited grasp of this subject and im sorry to be blunt about this.Quote:
All that depends on how shankara mutt is registered.............
"Adhi Sankara" is "claimed" to have "united" - the six different theological / philosophical schools of thought - which were in vogue, during his lifetime (there are conflicting views on even the adhi sankara's time period).
He established 4 "peet"s in 4 different corners of Idian region. They are Dwaraka, Kedarnath, puri and sringeri. ( Kanchi is NOT accepted as a "original" and "authentic" "peet" established by adhi sankara - by the other 4 sankara mutts )
The entire "edifice" of the "Sankaracharya mutts" exist - ONLY based upon their "representative" nature of the "Hindu" religion (atleast in theory - it is altogether a different issue that Ramanujacharya's srivaishnavaites and Madhwacharya's theological school completely differ and oppose Sankara's "advaitic" view of the world and god )
SO, the "Sankara mutt" exists purely on the basis of its "claim" to the hindu representative legacy!
If it's functions, character and activities - are against this "inclusivity" - then that entire "claim" comes down with a thud and it loses all its legitamacy to even exist.
This is exactly what "spiritualists" like Swami Agnivesh point out and contend. And probably you may not be aware of the fact that other sankaracharyas do not share most of the "claimed" status of the kanchi mutt.
My Answer #1:Quote:
By the way do antheists (who by birth may be hindu but not by belief) have right to question the mutt :twisted:
On the same basis upon which an american "desi" - who doesn't seem to have any good grasp of india's history - upon pointing out of which - "snaps" and accuses someone of being a "traitor" and "unpatriotic" - and stuff like that! :P
My Answer #2:
On the same basis by which a non-tamil, and a person with limited knowledge on thamizhnadu's socio-political-cultural milieu - comes to a discussion - with shallow thoughts - but which requires a deep understanding of these issues!! :P
My Answer #3:
You don't seem to understand the whole situation sandeep.
Jayendra alias Subramaniam Iyer has always been an anti-thamizh vedic stooge.
Being "smArta brahmanas" the kanchi mutt "sanyasins" - shouldn't even talk about - Saivite or vaishnavaite issues.
But JayendrA constantly debased "thamizh" as "neesa mozhi" and "Shudra mozhi" ("mozhi" -> language )
He was vigorously opposing the "thamizh" vazhipAttu muRai( conducting poojAs thru thamizh sacred texts) in tamilnadu temples - declaring that " God does not know thamizh" et al!!
"Thamizh" is india's primary classical language - and here we have a smArta brahmin priest - debasing and condemning thamizh as shudhra language "not fit for" conducting poojAs using thamizh sacred texts! :evil:
As "smArta brahmin" he is not even fit to talk about "Saivaism" - leave alone interfering in Saivaite temple affairs and injecting his anti-thamizh poison thru his "sanskrit supremacist" theories. :evil:
Do you know that according to 'Saivaism' and "Vaishnavaism" - that "Advaitins" are "infidels" and "atheists"?????!!! :lol: :lol:
"Advaitins" keep saying some clever word-play like mAyA & one-without-a-second (non-dualism) - which simply translates that - there is no separate God and all that we "see" and "feel" and "think" are the same things, which are bound by illusion or maya - and if the maya goes we "understand" that there is nothing other than a singularity.
Saivaism clearly demarcates "pasu"(the soul) , "pathi"(the universal creator) and "paasam" (worldly things and pleasures and the brith cycle).
According to "Saivaite" theory - "advaitam" is atheism and nothing but blasphemy!.
The soul is created "by" god - and it is not "god" itself - according to Saivaite theology!
Sri Vaishnavaite tradition (Vishishtadvaita - qualified non-dualism) - has always existed AGAINST the advaitic tradition - and even today Advaitins - and more especially the "smArta brahmanas" of the Kanchi mutt type - are considered "inferior" by the vishishtAdvaitins..... ditto madwachari followers et al !! :lol: :lol:
This is deeply "theoretical" and "philosophical" - and may be you are not aware of these things!. :P
This Jayendra not only "tress-passed" the Saivaite traditions - but also the Vaishnavaite traditions.
Last year - at the behest of Jayendra - a 1000 pillar mandap - which was believed to have been built by Ramanujacharya himself - in tirupathi temple - was demolished - inspite of the fact that the Vaishnavaite Jeeyars(The high-priest of VishistAdwaitha philosophy) vehemently opposed this rogue interference of Jayendra.
You can find a lot of vaishnavaites still angrily resenting this dastardly act by Jayendra - of "trampling" upon Vaishnavaite issues, in which he as a "smArta brahmana" has no locus standi.
Thus Jayendra :
* trampled upon the sanctity of thamizh language and debased it.
* constantly tress-passed into saivaite and vaishnavaite traditions which he as "smarta brahmana" has no rights to even talk about
* Acted as "Rajaguru" of BJP and teh Sangh parivar outfits - by which he lost his "immunity" even as a "non-partisan" sanyasin
* Worse, dabbled frequently into tamilnadu's political issues - speaking out of turn like some medieval period "all powerful" Pope of "Hindu" religion - which he was clearly not.
All these and more - resulted in making "Sankara mutt" a mafia politicking "partisan" brahmanical institution - which needed to be shown its place firmly - by the thamizh society :)
You tell me your version of it then!Quote:
I disagree with the "under Periyar" part of vaikom satyagraha but let us not deviate from the main topic :)
Are you refuting the fact - that Periyar led an important struggle against the despicable condition in which dalits and shudras were treated?
Are you refuting the fact - that he was jailed for his struggle in vaikom?
Are you refuting the fact - that thiruvithaangoor brahmins did conduct yagnas - so that Periyar should die in prison itself???
Are you refuting the fact - that instead of "killing" periyar - the "bhoothams" from the yagna conducted by the brahmins instead "killed" - "thirumEni" - the king of thiruvithaangoor? :wink: :lol:
Are you refuting the fact - that it was only because of periyar's adamancy in not accepting any "compromise" solutions (for which gandhiji was in favor of) - that - that struggle resulted in a huge reform in the society??
I dont deny that Vaikom struggle was led by various people - but please dont try to eclipse out periyar's signal contribution to that movement. :)