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How can he stop breathing :!: even when he knows the air is polluted.Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
How can he stop breathing :!: even when he knows the air is polluted.Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
rajasaranam, looks like you got too emotional :-)
He need'nt have stopped breathing, he could have done more non-filmi albums like HTNI and NBW rather than accepting movies like Eeeti, chinnappadoss, pickpocket, Yuhadharmam etc.that didnt have a single noteworthy song. Thats what ARR has been doing, being selective with his movies while at the same time attempting more non-filmi projects that gives scope for wider imagination. IR neednt have waited till the tail end of his career, when he is reduced to doing 5 films/year, to attempt projects like India 24hrs or Moods of IR(or even TIS). If these had been attempted earlier in the late 80s, maybe marketing them would have been easier too.
i dont see that IR is in the tail end of his career, specially since TIS is coming. I have a feeling that he will do someting for the generations to come. I also think that IR will start his dream Music college soon.
Vijayr,
Sure i should have got emotional. illaenaa courtla solra maadhri moondru murai sollirupaenaa :D
From such a large account your are finding three or four movies for each period :arrow: rajasthan, thalaimurai etc., for 90's and the movies mentioned here for 80's :(
well i too havent heard the movies you ve mentioned. but chinnapadass ive heard for sure, that too just recently when i saw that movie in SUN TV and was impressed by the songs and got hold of it somehow :wink: which i had heard in my childhood days and forgotten altogether.
'Athu Ithu' is sure a gripping Disco song from that film, the Percusssion part and the tune itself is enough to make it a classic song. listen to Athu... ithu... then the following drum patterns which carries the whole song forward. At first listening i was never impressed but it definetely grows well.
'Paadum baktha meera' is also a very good Duet song to speak about at par with 'o maane maane' from vellai roja. the first and second interlude is just awesome.... listen to it to get a feel please.
'Vaanam thodatha' come on... here Raaja is brilliant with his piano, trumpets drums et all to give us a complete aural feast
'Paakku vethala' is again a good no. the second interlude especially is a great treat
Will try listening to other movies you have mentioned and get back to them.
Since you have dragged in ARR... cant help commenting on him :oops:
He too have a complete set of bad movies like puthiya mannaragal, vandisolai..., pavithra, parasuram, uthaya, E20U18 etc., He is brilliant indeed, knowing his music can gain fame only with big banners he has resorted doing films with noteworthy directors and Production houses.
Non-filmi? ARR ? What wider imagination did you see in Bombay Dreams?
what wider imagination did you see in CBSO Performance?
Are you talking about 'Set me free' ? was is worth second listnening AT all?
LOTR is yet to be released ... Lets wait [ from listening to the intro music from website it sure sounds excellent :) ]
'Vandhe Maathram' is the only worthwhile Non-Filmi album of his till date
IR:arrow: for a man from Pannaipuram Even chennai was a bigger world and his only agenda was to score for film music. He reaching HTNI and NBW within 15 years of his advent into filmdom is indeed greater achievement.
India 24 Hrs was released in 1997 when he was doing 20-30 movies per year and it was not his tail end of his career. he did 10 movies in 2003. 2004 saw only 5 movies as he was busy with TIS. He has come to TIS/TIO not because he has no film works to Do but for he was offered with the project. he doesnt go marketing himself like ARR.
Yes we do need IR to do some non-filmi projects often but if he is able to give us a 'kaatu vazhi' or ' unnai vida' or 'elankaathu' or ' vaanaville' or poo poothathu' we would like him to be still working for films.
The marketing of HTNI and NBW were not great either, even when he was the king at that time. The music of those Albums were far ahead from the reach of common masses. i never heard them till 7 yrs after its release :cry: And I24H - i was not able to get hold of it for 5 long years and TFM page only gave me salvation :)
You getting too much biased towards the working style of ARR is what the problem is :wink: You miss out great things amidst the hype and hoopla :cry:
"From such a large account your are finding three or four movies for each period Arrow rajasthan, thalaimurai etc., for 90's and the movies mentioned here for 80's"
rajasaranam, those are just few examples off the top of my head. There are many many more. Percentage wise only about 20% since 1995 is noteworthy IMO. In the late 80s it was about 40-50%.
Here are a few more dhandams. Luckily since these songs dont stay long with you, you tend to forget the names of bad albums from IR pretty quickly.
Dharmam vellum, poruthadhu podhum, meendum parasakthi, Vaazhga vaLarga , thangamaana raasa, Padichca puLLa etc.
I happened to catch a few of these films sometime back on tamil channels and had a hard time believing that the MD was IR.
Dont be surprised if you havent even heard of some of these titles. There are many like this just from 1988-90. Most of these albums will have 1 passable song followed by 3 dhandams and werent commercial hits either.
"He too have a complete set of bad movies like puthiya mannaragal, vandisolai..., pavithra, parasuram, uthaya, E20U18 etc."
true, but percentage wise its very less. Pavithra isnt a bad album by the way. It had "uyirum neeye" which brought national recognition to UnniK.Sevvaanam was a pretty good song too. Vandichola - the movie was probably bad, not the songs,a couple of them were hits.
" Non-filmi? ARR ? What wider imagination did you see in Bombay Dreams? "
rajasaranam, the very fact that he is even attempting something on that scale is noteworthy when he could be accepting movies left and right in TFM(he even left Anniyan out). Thats my point, I am not claiming that Bombay Dreams or LOTR are great classics. My point is IR could have put to better use his talent in composing more non-filmi albums where he could have shown his creativity and done it in the late 80s itself when he still had some market value. Please try to understand my point. I have not written anything about ARR's non-filmi albums. By IR's own admission he got tired of TFM in the late 80s itself. Then why waste time on the above paadavathi movies and countless others?
"Yes we do need IR to do some non-filmi projects often but if he is able to give us a 'kaatu vazhi' or ' unnai vida' or 'elankaathu' or ' vaanaville' or poo poothathu' we would like him to be still working for films."
those type of songs are few and far in between. You have sift thru a lot of garbage in order to dig out such songs. 1 out of every 5 songs or so.
"You getting too much biased towards the working style of ARR is what the problem is"
there is nothing to get biased about here. I am just laying out the facts.
Re: lyrics first or tune first - I would be just happy if the lyrics were even a little decent in certain cases. In a movie with, with a melodious tune like 'Oh butterfly' you also have 'lovunna lovvu..'. If I were the producer I would have opted for a more subtle lyrics.
One important point made by Senthil that I want to underscore - "In most cases, he creates visual palettes/progression(visual Poetry?) in his mind first and then he creates a tune for the visuals. "
Folks this is a very important observation. This succint statement of Senthil is fecund with a number of germane points. He has elaborated this point earlier with the 'ennuLLE ennuLLE' song. The song plays a progression of changing emotions. It is almost a small story/episode. This is what elevates IR's songs to the level of a composition. Basically IR starts with a 'mood layout' and starts the tunes. This way, even just instrumental music (without lyrics) will be very listenable.
Re: crappy songs of IR - Yes, I am aware of many many songs like this (I have 300 movies of IR :-)) but somehow I am able to distinguish IR from the other MDs. Maybe I haven't listened to much of other MDs. It is difficult to distinguish GK Venkatesh, salil choudhary etc, but dEvA is easy to tell :-)
I also think many of these songs suffered because of the lyrics. The proof for this is that there quite a few versions of hit songs with different lyrics that did not make it to the charts.
The other songs suffer from either non-fresh tunes or orchestration or lack of it (not much harmony, chorus etc).
Another general point about a song becoming popular or not is, I think or believe, that melodies are not things that appeal to people all the time. The more groovy the song is the greater the chances of it becoming popular and IR did lots more melodies. Current MDs are banking on grooves a lot more.
The statistics here wont work out. You are comparing 1000 movies with less than 100 movies, you are comparing close to 5000 songs with less than 300 songs. Yes, IR did scored music for some crappy movies and even some crappy songs, but if you understand the way music is selected for a movie, you will realize that contribution from director (producer and actor to some extend) is very critical. Why dont you take all ARR album where he didnt score for MR or Shankar or BR and see how he shined. Well thats it. For you the music has to have an appeal, but for IR or ARR everything is a good music and they only know the tricks and pain to create them. If the director has good ear and knows the pulse of the audiance, then its a sure hit. Tell me one MR movie where IR failed, or BR movie where IR failed or one Kamal movies where IR failed or one KB movie where IR failed. 0%. You need two hands to clap. IR lot of time could clap alone and give good sound (e.g. Ramarajan, Rajkiran and so many other directors who has no music sense go to IR and just ask him to score music and also ask IR to create scenes for songs).Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
You know what I hate about this forum after listening to all the discussions so far, Tamil people are thankless people. The respect Telugu and Malayalam people has for IR is more than anything to describe.
Ini Tamil Viraivil Saagum
njv,
I accept your points on IR. From vijayr's postings in tfm forum, it is very clear that he is partial in giving due credits to IR. Interests vary from person to person. He may feel only the hit are good. It would have happened for him to hear lot of ordinary songs of IR in the proposition he mentioned.Quote:
The statistics here wont work out. You are comparing 1000 movies with less than 100 movies, you are comparing close to 5000 songs with less than 300 songs. Yes, IR did scored music for some crappy movies and even some crappy songs, but if you understand the way music is selected for a movie, you will realize that contribution from director (producer and actor to some extend) is very critical. Why dont you take all ARR album where he didnt score for MR or Shankar or BR and see how he shined. Well thats it. For you the music has to have an appeal, but for IR or ARR everything is a good music and they only know the tricks and pain to create them. If the director has good ear and knows the pulse of the audiance, then its a sure hit. Tell me one MR movie where IR failed, or BR movie where IR failed or one Kamal movies where IR failed or one KB movie where IR failed. 0%. You need two hands to clap. IR lot of time could clap alone and give good sound (e.g. Ramarajan, Rajkiran and so many other directors who has no music sense go to IR and just ask him to score music and also ask IR to create scenes for songs).Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
You know what I hate about this forum after listening to all the discussions so far, Tamil people are thankless people. The respect Telugu and Malayalam people has for IR is more than anything to describe.
Ini Tamil Viraivil Saagum
Just because of people like him, you should not have cursed Tamil and its people. I feel very sad.