azhagu malar aada is 5 beatQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
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azhagu malar aada is 5 beatQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Arun
How about
1. pon vaaaam panneer thoovuthu (indru nee naalai naan)
2. manasu mayangum (sippikkul muthu)
they are both 7 beats.Quote:
Originally Posted by RR
2 is fairly easy to see, if you count "1 2 3 1 2 3 4", "manasu mayangum" falls perfectly.
in the case of 1, "pon vaanam" starts on the first "3" beat, it may be a little confusing. ("panneer thoovudhu" falls on 1231234). there are similar "off" starts in the charanam also ("mazhai pookkale" starting on second 3)
It seems when Einstein played the violin very well, a fellow violinist asked him appreciatively, "do you count the beats ?" . Einstein replied, "not at all, it is in my blood".Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222
I am of the opposite kind :-) . So help me understand how this works.
For eg. manasu mayangum - the chandam is th-na-na na-na-na-na so every beat per maathirai. Or am i confused ?
Kiru,
Probably the beat pattern for "manasu mayangum" is like this if we have a seven beat cycle:
ma-1
na-2
su-3
ma-4
yang-5
gum-6
silence before next word-7
:-)
it helps to follow beats in terms of "tha ki ta" etc.
3 beat cycle: "tha ki ta | tha ki ta | ..."
4/8 beat: "tha ka dhi mi : tha ka jhu nu | tha ka dhi mi : tha ka jhu nu | ..."
7 beat: "tha ki ta : tha ka dhi mi | tha ki ta : tha ka dhi mi | ... "
5 beat: "tha ka : tha ki ta | tha ka : tha ki ta | ... "
now these can be combined, multiplied and permuted in different ways. for instance, in "manasu mayangum", the percussion in the intro plays (fast) "tha ki ta tha ki ta tha ka dhi mi tha ka jhu nu" - this is just two 7 beat cycles at double speed, permuted (you can match it with the one in the list above). For the pallavi:
tha ki ta : tha ka...dhi mi
ma.na.su...ma.yan.gum
for "pon vaanam":
tha ki ta.....:.tha ka dhi mi | tha..ki.. ta : tha ka dhi mi
........pon.....vaa.....nam......pan ne...er...tho oo vum
sometimes singing the tune using "tha ki ta..." helps.
Very nice and simple explananation ananth222. Whenever I hear MD's (or other musicians) sing in the form of "tha ki ta...", I used to wonder how they relate to a song or beats. Now atleast I have an idea.
thanks,
Krishnan
I feel that the following songs follow the same pattern as "Manasu Mayangum"
1. Meedum Meedum Vaa - Vikram
2. Aravaudhae en anbae raman - Rajavin Ramana malali - By Bhavadharini
3. Isail thodunguthama - Hey ram
4. Om Namaha - Idhyathai thirudathae
I am not sure about #3 and #4 though. Thanks.
One More with the same pattern .....
"En Jeevan paduthu unnai than theduthu" by KJY.
In all these IR songs, the one common feeling is "longing"
The range is from sexual (viragam) to spiritual (bhakthi).
Thanks.
the other song which i want to mention is kalyana maalai kondadum penne from puthu puthu aarthangal. the song is in 5 beat cycle or say 5/8.the 1st bgm has rhythm and orchrstration like 22222..22222....ie thaka thaka thaka thaka thaka.