Raaja - comparing 4 decades of musical output

app_eng,

Everyone, everywhere gives allowance to the fact the every genius has his / her own eccentricities. I guess it is only here that we look for perfection in every sphere. So the concerned creator becomes easy target in some way or the other.

Not only regarding the incident you quoted, for almost everything said in that article there can be and there is a reasonable counter. But what is the point arguing when you know the other side is not in it for any reasonable argument but just for the sensationalism. (Just check out how Shaji twists what Raja said in the PR function and you will known that the whole article has 'agenda' written all over it. )

You're totally right about the likes of Charu / Shaji etc. They have an agenda / won't change / no amount of reasoning will help them / thoongaRa mAdhiri nadikkiRavanga etc :-)

However, I've also started to like the idea of rebuttals for one reason - just for the benefit of "onlookers".

If not for someone breaking the works of these fellows into pieces, there's possibility that at least some minds can get corrupt by these fellows. Slowly poisoned, to the point that there'll be free flowing criticism - not just of eccentricities of IR but his basic credentials. (Like this article alleges thumbi vA being a lift - even giving some link, there will be 100 other links for every IR song that people adore - and there'll be one generation that'll start believing that all those are real, even without knowing the songs or comparing what stuff is there in those links etc, which will be outrageous).

These onlookers may even look at some "IR praising articles" by the same Shaji and start reasoning - that after all he is a HCF and he cannot be wrong about the lifts!

So, these posts are basically not appeals / arguments to Shaji but expose of him, for the benefit of onlookers :-)

தன்னை ஒரு ரமணமஹரிஷி பக்தர் என்று காட்டிக்கொள்ளூம் இசை ஞானிக்கு இன்னும் ஏன் அந்த விவேகம் வளரவில்லை. தலையை முன்டனம் செய்துகொள்வார்.ஒரு மாபெரும் ஆன்மீகவாதியை போல ஒரு மாயத்தை உருவாக்குவார். ஆனால் அவரிடம் ஒரு சாதாரண மனிதனிடம் உள்ள குணாதிசயங்களே உள்ளன.
மற்றவர்களை மதிக்காத ஒரு பிற்பட்ட குணம் ராசாவுக்கு இன்றும் உள்ளதே !

Nobody is above vimarsanam. Including your I.Raja. All great composers have been subjected to critical analysis and IR is no exception to it.

app_eng,

Precisely the reason why I too try and post some rebuttals once in a while. It is just that I felt Usha was becoming too emotional and didn't want her to lose sleep on Shaji type fellow's article. There is no way other than putting forth our view of things so that some balance is maintained. The only problem is that there is so much 'kuppai' in the net nowadays that reply to each is a tedious thing !! Anyway, let us try and keep the flag flying. I am with you as are many more here :)

And to respect eagle's intention of this thread, we should all take this discussion to the 'IR News' thread?

Rangarajan Nambi: Answer to you in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Rangarajan nambi

தன்னை ஒரு ரமணமஹரிஷி பக்தர் என்று காட்டிக்கொள்ளூம் இசை ஞானிக்கு இன்னும் ஏன் அந்த விவேகம் வளரவில்லை. தலையை முன்டனம் செய்துகொள்வார்.ஒரு மாபெரும் ஆன்மீகவாதியை போல ஒரு மாயத்தை உருவாக்குவார். ஆனால் அவரிடம் ஒரு சாதாரண மனிதனிடம் உள்ள குணாதிசயங்களே உள்ளன.
மற்றவர்களை மதிக்காத ஒரு பிற்பட்ட குணம் ராசாவுக்கு இன்றும் உள்ளதே !

Nobody is above vimarsanam. Including your I.Raja. All great composers have been subjected to critical analysis and IR is no exception to it.

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IR in Saamiyar thanam

Idhai patri oru vaarthai

IR Saamiyar thanam kaati kolvadhu - indha ulagil irukum
ketta vishayathil irundhu thanni kaathu kolla....

Adharkaga - IR ai saamiyar madhiri irukirar enbadhal,

1. IR ai Yematralama?

2. Thittalama?

3. Yar enna seidhalaum adangi poga venduma?

- Manidhanin eena gunangaludan, pazhaginal,

ENDHA SAAMIYARUM THITTUVAN.. KATHUVAN........


Keezhtharanamana vaazhkai nadathum nanidhanuku
indha IR ai purindhu kolla mudiyavae mudiyadhu dhan......
Ivargalukuelalm IR bhadhil solla vendiya avasiyam ilai....

Thinking of eagle, I get the image of Sivaji Ganesan. The scenes where he cries and laughs simultaneously. I am sure eagle must be feeling the same after seeing how this thread is developing :lol:

The topic that eagle has chosen is a good one and I would like some of you to put your thoughts in here. The Shajjis and Charus can wait in other threads.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Thinking of eagle, I get the image of Sivaji Ganesan. The scenes where he cries and laughs simultaneously. I am sure eagle must be feeling the same after seeing how this thread is developing :lol:

The topic that eagle has chosen is a good one and I would like some of you to put your thoughts in here. The Shajjis and Charus can wait in other threads.

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Sorry Suresh,...

adhu enna thread.. link kudungo.

very very very sorry Eagle.

Pl start a New Thread to discuss of our IR's 3 Decades compositions..

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

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Pl start a New Thread to discuss of our IR's 3 Decades compositions..

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eagle :lol:

appo indha thread titlea maathidunga...

அய்யா ஒரு நாலு வார்த்தை இந்த thread க்கு சம்பந்தமா யாருமே சொல்ல மாட்டீங்களா?
( ஒருவேளை வெளிநாட்டு சதியா இருக்குமோ?...) :cry2: