Sorry >> Those who did the taking away have long rot to the bottom and now seeking the path of "Dharma" to find themselves.
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Sorry >> Those who did the taking away have long rot to the bottom and now seeking the path of "Dharma" to find themselves.
May be a better way to say it is: There should be compassion for those who had almost everything taken away from them (those who were cheated outright)while they struggle for survival and keeping with Dharma at the same time which can sometimes result to conflicting actions which further results to social immorals and social problems.
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These are some the of Q&As between Yudhisthira and the Yaksha that kept me of interest when I first read it:
What is more numerous than grass?
The thoughts that arise in the mind of man are more
The best of all things that are praised. What is it?
The most praiseworthy thing is skill
The most valuable of all possessions?
Knowledge
What is it, controlling which will lead to no regret?
The mind, when controlled, leads to no regret
What is that, when renounced makes on agreeable?
Pride
What is true restraint?
The restraint of one's mind
What is real ablution?
Washing the mind of all impurities
Why are some posts not displayed properly?
Raghu
What is the story of Vidura you were mentioning? Please post it here when you have time.Thanks
Dear Pradheep
Look at Sudhamaa's example, is it not the similar example as I have given, doesn't it mean Dharma can be challenged according to situation at times, like sudhamaa sir explained this is called in tamil Dharma Sankatam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
please post your view on Dharma Sankadam ?
Dear Viggop,
Vidur had a bow which can destroy the universe, which was granted to him by the supreme personality of god head Maha Iswar(Lord Shiva),similar to Shiva thanusu in Ramayna, which lord Rama broke to mary godess Sita. but Lord krishna played some trick, so that he vowed not to fight the battle, some one please correct me if I am wrong.
and while the pandavas were away for their vana vasa Lady Kunti stayed with Vidura, and Lord Krishna stayed at Vidura's cottage when he went as a messenger to Dhuriyodhana.
Dear all
Please Please do not post in thamizh, as many of us forbiden to dwonload tamil fonts, due to fire wall restrictions on our networks.
I thought Kunti went along with the Pandavas in the forest.It is there she asks them to share Draupadi.
Vidura was a great devotee of Lord Krishna
He is supposed to have given the banana peel instead of banana to Krishna when praying but the Lord accepted it gladly because of his devotion.Similar ,one Nayanmar was throwing stones at the lingam deeply absorbed in Bhakthi thinking them to be flowers but shiva gladly accepts it.In Kalahasthi,the hunter nayanmar,kannappa nayanar, offers pork to the Lingam which is accepted by the lord much to the anger of the priest.
Is not Vidura called as Sanjaya? He narrates the entire war to Dhiritharashtra by seeing thru Gnana Kann.
Vidhur did have this bow. But Krishna had nothing to do with him not fighting. He has no prejudce and is impartial and sees the pandavas and Kauravas as the same. He didnt want them to fight and hence wouldnt side anybody. After failing to convince Duryodhana not to go into war, he breaks his bow at the darbar, announcing that he will not side anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Sudhaama
Excellent post on why Karnan had to be defeated and destroyed.The higher cause of dharma precedes all individuals. :D
The draupadi story happened much earlier. This was when they were accomodated in the "arakku mAligai" in deceit where they was an attempt to kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Sanjaya is Dhritharashtra's charioteer. He was a yogin who visualised the entire war using his gnana kann and narrated it to the king.Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Vidhura is Dhridhrashtra's half brother.
Thanks TS for your info, but I am Sure Maha Iswar granted a boon to Vidura in the form of a Bow.
("Senjoatru Kadan theerka saeraadha Idam saerndhu Vanjaththil veezhndhaayadaa Karna.... Naanum vun Pazhi sumandhaenada")
thanks sudhama sir for remainding me this, greatly sung by Dr.S.Govinderajan in the thamizh film karna, this song and film still brings tears in my eyes as and when I recall them, greatest clasic film in Thamizh , thanks to awsome acting prows of the legendary greatest actor Dr. Shivaji Ganeshan :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thats what i said. he did have a bow which he destroyed when the war was confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
ts!
Shri Krishna did play a trick on vidhura to make him break the bow. Lord krishna comes to hasthinapur to negotiate a settlement between Pandavas and the Kauravas. Duryodhan rejects the peace offer and says that Pandavas have violated the agreement of being in exile and incognito as they were exposed in The kingdom of virat when Arjuna came out of hiding and fought the Kauravas to save Uttara kumara, the prince of Virata and hence they have to spend 12 more years in exile. But Lord krishna says that is not so. The ensuing peace deal fails and duryodhan says that he will not give even 5 pin head space of land to the pandavaas. War is declared as the only way out. Shri Krishna knows that if Vidhura participates in the war, then Pandavas will lose as Vidhura is none but the Dharma raja in human form. Hence he plays a trick by asking Vidhura for hosting him in Hastinapur and avoids the palace of Kauravas or Bhishma. This creates suspicion in the mind of Duryodhan and the next day when war plans are being done, he insults Vidhura by saying "Paksham Paandavar pakkam, batchanam Kauravar pakkam" meaning that he eats Kaurava's food but is loyal to Pandavas. This enrages Vidhura who takes an oath that he will never participate in another war for the prince of hastinapur and breaks the bow in a fit of rage. Krishna plays a similar trick on Aswathama and sows seeds of suspicion in the minds of Duryodhana and Karna which prompts Aswathama to take an oath that he will not participate the war as long as Karna is alive. The trick he plays is that he(shri krishna) drops a jewel and asks Aswathama to bow and take it, Duryodhana and Karna who see this think Aswathama has sold himself to the pandavas and karna insults him for this.
Thanks JG for that, so that's how Aswathama had that stone embedded in his head!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
I thought Ashwathama was born with the jewel on his head.It is embedded into his body.
Not sure about that :?Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
and thanks for the link about the Mahabharth quiz, I got 18/25
hey!
slight misunderstanding. what krishna drops is his modhiram or ring. Jewel is something he is born with and in the last day of the war, shri krishnaa takes that jewel away from him as a punishment for his unjust practices in the war (by killing children of the pandavaas when they are asleep).
yes, Lord Krishna sends bhim anna to fetch it!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Dear all,
Can somebody tell me, why Lord of Lords 'Maha Iswar' burnt 'Manamadhan' to ashes, was it a trick by Lord Krishna as well.
While Lord Shiva was meditating, Manmadha was performing a lustful dance to attract rathi and distract Lord Shiva, Maha Iswar got annoyed with his illicit act and burnt him to ashes, but one his temper cooled down, he granted a boon to Rathi, that her husband Manmadha will re-incarnate as some one(who) in some Yuga (was it Dwapara Yuga)??
Arjuna and Krishna set out in pursuit of Aswaththama. They find him eventually and before he could be captured, he takes a blade of grass and sends it to abort Abhimanyu's wife's foetus by using the brahmastra. The foetus gets saved by the grace of Krishna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Arjuna grabs Aswathama and brings him before Draupadi, who lost all her sons to his treachery. Draupadi says,
"Arjuna, please release Aswatthama forthwith.Dronacharya was your guru. He taught you everythingyou have known in archery. He loved you as a father might love a son. Aswatthama thus is like a brother to you. When Drona died, his wife Kripi, did not join her lord in the funeral fire because her son, this Aswatthama who stands now before us, was still alive. If you kill him now in this moment, Kripi will suffer the pain too of losing her only child. I do not wish upon Kripi the pain I as a mother have myself suffered in the loss of my children... Let this pain remain with me and let Aswatthama go.. let him go his way, for he has suffered both retribution and humiliation enough. Please release him!".
She asks him to shave Aswaththama's hair and take the gem off his head for in old days, one is considered to be dead if shaven by ones enemy. Arjuna Tonsures Aswaththama and takes the gem from his head and gives it to Krishna. Aswathama travels into the himalayas to do tapas.
The story I know is different.It is because of Asura Surapadman.He'll get a boon along with his 2 brothers that only shakthi from Shiva can destroy them.After that,he'll be a tyrant and kill all good people, torture rishis,disturn their yagna etc.So, the Devas will not know what to do.They need a shakthi of Shiva to destroy him.But,Shiva will be interested in meditation and will never be interested in procreation.He is supposed to be the highest yogi.
Then,the Gods will decide that Manmadhan is to be used to generate feeling of Kama in Lord Shiva towards Parvathi so that they can bring forth a child(shakthi of Shiva) to kill surapadman.I think Manmadhan will disturb Shiva's meditation with his arrows of love.
Angered by this,Shiva will burn him to ashes but on Rathi's pleading,he'll say that she'll appear only to her eyes in a beautiful form.
Anyway,the arrows of Manmathan will succeed and Shiva will unite with his consort Parvathi and hence Murugan/Karthikeya is born.He'll later destroy Surapadman as commander of Deva army.
Unable to bear Taraka's harassment, sages and angels, all pious persons and Goddess Earth herself, went to Brahma and prayed for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Brahma said, "It is impossible for me to kill Taraka. Even Hari and Hara Cannot do it. He can be killed only by a son of Hara. If Hara has to get a son, he must marry Parvati. He is now, in penance. Parvati goes to him every day to attend upon him. But Shiva does not even open his eyes and see her. So how can this marriage come about?
Again the angels met in conclave. They were now engaged in making Shiva stop his meditation and marry Parvati. So they sent Brihaspati to Kusumapura to fetch Manmatha. Manmatha went to them with his sugarcane bow and flowery arrows along with his consort Ratidevi, and asked them, "What do you want me to do? Please tell me."
"Lord Kama," Indra replied, "Now you have to confer a great benefit on the world. Taraka's wickedness has become intolerable. The one to kill him is Shiva's son, who is not yet born. But Shiva has not ended his penance. Without ending it his marriage cannot take place. Parvati who is to be his wife is near him but Shiva does not so much as look at her. Now he must be made to fall in love with Parvati. And that, only you can do."
Kama realized the importance of his role. He now thought of aiming his floral arrow at Shiva and thereby ending his tapas. Even if he had to lay down his life in this venture, he would never mind. Would he not have done a great deed for the welfare of the world? So thinking, Kama arrived with Rati at Shiva's penance-grove.
Just at that time Parvati had also come as usual with fruits and flowers to worship Shiva. Her friends were also there. Parvati stood with folded hands singing in praise of Shiva. Pleased with her devotion and delighted with her sweet voice, Shiva just for a moment stopped his meditation and looked at her once. Kama decided that was the most opportune moment and got ready to make Shiva fall in love with Parvati. Unafraid of the eye of fire on Shiva's forehead, he shot five of his arrows of flowers at his heart. Shiva's tapas were broken.
This made Shiva terribly angry. He opened the fiery eye on his forehead. With a frightening noise a fierce blazing flame burst forth. It seemed the fire of final destruction had struck the body of Kama. As he stood, he was reduced to ashes. Shiva, smearing his body with the same ash, disappeared.
Kripi and Kripacharya are brother and sister.They are said to be born out of the reeds(kripa means reed in sanskrit)
Ashwathama is also said to be son of Lord Shiva too.There is a mythological story about this but it is quite erotic.(as other Hindu mythology stories)
TS
As I have posted earlier about Ashwathama,
Krishna curses him to be a chiranjeevi
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Originally Posted by ts
Dear TS,
what I meant was, Lord Krishna sends Bhim anna to fetch the stone from his head and he does, not Arjuna (This was shown on Lord Krishna Series by Ramanad Sagar), once Druapadi finds all five of her sons killed by Aswathama, it was Bhima who get aggresive and runs after Aswathama, followed by Yudishtra and Arjuna, but Lord Krishna runs behind Bhima, on Arjuna chariot, but this time, Arjuna is riding the chariot !, he ctach up on bhima, but by that time Aswatham has already projected the bhrama asthira, so to retaliate Arjuna also projects the bhrama asthira, but lord Krsihna asks bhrama to disable it, he does, then lord Krishna curses Aswathama that he will be a Chiranjeeve and tellms Bhima to fetch the stone from Aswathama
Dear Viggop & TS,
I remember the story now, both of you are correct regarding Maha Iswar burning Manmadha
Viggop, pls reply to my PM, thanks
Looking at TS story,even though Draupadi lets go off Ashwathama ,she wants to humilate him by shaving his head.
What about the character of Kunti devi in Mahabharatha?
She is a very playful as a girl who misuses the mantra given to her by Vyasa(?) and loses her virginity even before marriage.She too gets a boon to become a permanent kanya(another one of the panchakanyas)
Also,she disposes of baby Karna in a casket in the river and in the end of the war,she asks Karna to spare Arjuna's life by getting a promise to use Naga Asthram only once.This shows impartiality being a mother.
To her credit,she takes care of Nakula and Sahadeva as her own sons(children of Pandu and Madri) and undergoes lot of suffering along with the Pandavas even though born as a princess.After the war,she accompanies Dhiritharastra and Gandhari and lives with them in the forest serving them as both cannot see.
I think she jumps into the flame and dies following Gandhari.
Is there any other interesting stories in Mahabharatha concerning Kunti?
Oh yes, so true! :x :( :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Q1) How did Maharajah Pandu die?
Q2) Did he had any brothers or sisters except, dhirithiratchasa
Q3) What was the reason Balaram anna for not participating in the war?
Once Balaram Anna was going to use his Plough ayudha, againts some demon, which was suppose to destroy the entire universe, but his younger brother Lord Krishna stops that, why was Balaram Anna so angry, I just can not remember the situation?
Q1) How did Maharajah Pandu die?
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Pandu is cursed by a rishi for accidentally shooting an arrow on the rishi while the rishi was in a deer form.
The deer was making love to another deer while pandu shoots an arrow at it.the rishi ,turns himself into human form and curses that Pandu will die if he ever consummates a marriage.
So,Pandu cannot unite with either Kunti or Madri.So, he asks Kunti to use the special Mantra given to her by Vyasa muni and hence Yudishtra,Bhima and Arjuna are born from different deities.
But,now Madri does not have any child of her own.So,Pandu wants to consummate the marriage even though he knows that he'll die if he does it.Madri tries to talk him out of it but he insists.He dies immediately.After Nakula and Sahadeva are born,Madri throws herself into the fire for being responsible for her husbands death.
Q2) As far as I know,Pandu had no brothers/sisters apart from Dhirtharashtra. He is afflicted with albino disease.
Yabba in those days all the Maharajahs had multiple wives, brave men :wink: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Raghu
Also,most of the stories sound irrational and does not suit the moral values of this time.Maybe,these stories were conceptualised when the concept of marriage(1 man and 1 wife) was not yet concrete.
Eroticism is very rampant in mythology of all old cultures like Greek,Roman,Indian,Chinese,Arab etc.
But,let us not digress from Mahabharatha in this thread.
I agree with you, but there was one SOLID example of 1 Man to 1 Women concept before the mahabharath, yes I am indeed talking about Lord Rama and Godess Sita during Ramayaa in Satya Yuga, Prior to Dwapara Yuga MahabharathQuote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Viggop,
Did you know why Balram anna did not take part in the fight, as far as i know, prior to battle, Duriyodhana and Shakuni mama tried to deceive Balram anna into the kaurava army, what went wrong? :?
Was it not Balram anna who taught Mace fighting skills to Bhima and Duriyodhana?
///Satya Yuga///
Ragu,
Is that another name for Thretha Yugham? I didn't know that. :)