I heard kaadhal yaanai vaguely and it had shades of 'no problem' from love birds..
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I heard kaadhal yaanai vaguely and it had shades of 'no problem' from love birds..
Hello.. I dont think Harris Jayaraj can match ARR atleast in near future. ARR is well above and he has nothing more to prove.
Dude, I know I did not do a decent job either.. sorry for the mug-slinging. But, I feel disappointed when every work.. literally every work of HJ is attributed to some previous work of ARR. Consciously, I have not found any resemblance in most claims. In my opinion, I could identify them only as ARR fans.
Movies, To your specific question on rating this Album when compared to Shankar's previous albums.... definitely, this is not the best out of Shankar's movies. But, I find this better than atleast 'Mudhalvan' for now. Time permitting, please go through the archives... all the ARR-Shankar combo albums were badly criticized on the first two days. And.. I have never mentioned that 'Kannum Kannum' is the pick of the album. Sorry, I dont know the nuances of music so intricately to identify raagas. I am just an average listener. Yes, tearing the album into pieces is good... let HJ learn something from the comments. But, comparing HJ and ARR is ridiculous and is also a disgrace both to ARR (His High Calibre) and HJ (His meticulous work).
This work definitely deserves a patient hearing atleast for a day and then, let us come to a conclusion.
For now, all that I can say is "This is neither the best album nor the worst album of Shankar's movies so far. This is definitely inferior to 'Kadhalan' and superior to 'Mudhalvan'. We will get to know more after giving it a reasonable time.
kbee... Morning Raga is an excellent album. Manisharma's esteem grew higher in me. I am not sure if HJ had tried to do a fusion work in 'Ayangaaru...'
One outstanding credit to HJ - Lyrics are understandable when compared to ARR's songs. There might be only 2 or 3 exceptions.
One flashback..
In the mid 90s, SPB was talking in an interview about ARR. He said.... "Everybody is saying that ARR is copying and reworking the western albums. But, that is an easy job and anybody can do it. Why only ARR is able to give hit?". It took long time for many us to appreciate ARR. Is this comment not relevant to HJ also today?
kamarajc..i don't undestand why ur saying that Anniyan is a better album than Mudhalvan...wake up!! Anniyan songs are just rehased of old HJ's songs.. Mudhalvan has all fresh tunes by ARR...
My frank opinion...HJ should have put more effort in giving fresh tunes for Anniyan.. he is just taking everyone for granted..
Kamarajc >>>
Take my word Mudhalvan definetly is not Inferior to Anniyan~
Hell no it wasnt it!
Mudhalvan beats Anniyzn song 2 song! only difference being theres no theme on the audio in mudhalvan!
In mudhalvan there was Shakalaka Baby! Dude this was the song that apparently sent the brits into a frenzy !
Mudhalvan had Uppu karuvadu! that was a top notch folk number.... MASSIVE MASS HIT! Especially the dance added the extra touch! And this folk song is tons better than the one in anniyan! Theres nothin to argue in this!
And ofcourse need i say the hariharan melody, or the SPB magic in algana ratchasi!
Thus if ur sayin Mudhalvan was shankars worst from his previous films... its absurd, and sayin its worse than anniayn is Attrocious, imbecile !
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One flashback..
In the mid 90s, SPB was talking in an interview about ARR. He said.... "Everybody is saying that ARR is copying and reworking the western albums. But, that is an easy job and anybody can do it. Why only ARR is able to give hit?". It took long time for many us to appreciate ARR. Is this comment not relevant to HJ also today?<<<<
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
great joke!
are u HJ himself by anychance!!!!!!!!
Now u cant make urself more obviuosly clueless!
Oops... you mistook me for HJ? Sorry if I portrayed that way. I can comfortably criticize HJ's work without ARR alongside me. Anyways.. I am not interested in ranking Shankar's album now. I need to give Anniyan the time and listening that I gave for other Shankar's albums.
Regarding SPB's comments.. I think you have tried to escape merely by masking me as HJ. Mail me at kamarajc@hotmail.com. I will give you my fone number and we can then talk with our confirmed identity.
HJ is totally out of stock - in terms of copying and originality - what junk - I bet shankar wuldnt have said that these songs were the best!! Gosh - shankar had no other option ..I think HJ is only good with goutham menon!! His Ye Chilipi from gharshana is his all time best - and that's it!!
Its really amusing how HJ with all his self pride - praises himself saying that shankar was telling that anniyan's song was the best ever!!HJ has to learn to keep his mouth shut first and learn a lot from ARR!! One thing which I appreciate about IR,YSR is that they dont go on praising their own music!! HJ,VS and bharathwaj need to learn this first - even though I like VS a lot - because he is ARR's friend ;)
Kamarajc,
"Jacky .... your comment shows what your preferences are... "Pitiful music. HJ's dappankuthu (Andankaka) is not even as good as Devas or Vidhyasagars. Kathal Yanai might be the sole saving grace."
Surprised that you forgot Dheena.
I think there are some better albums for you.. 'IyerIPS', 'London', 'Ramakrishna', 'Mahanadigan', 'Superda'."
No thanks dude, i just don't need your recommendations. I didn't do a straight comparison with ARR cuz that might irk someone.
Carnatic songs are ok but not as good as Rahman's En veetu thotathil or Sonnalum Ketpathillai (Kadhal Virus).
His Dappankuthu is no match to ARR's uppukaruvadu.
Kadhal Yanai and Shakalaka baby - it's a no contest.
Now you can continue your polished ARR bashing. :clap:
Exactly Jacky!
There are two ways to glorify ARR in Tamil Music World.
1. Release of ARR's Tamil album.
2. Release of HJ's Tamil album - start bashing HJ.
First case is a rarity these days.
This is becoming another HJ thread victimised for obsession with ARR's music.
Another factor that needs to be considered y HJ is getting bashed up - He had so much time to compose good music - after chellame what was he doing? he culd have given better music - if ARR had this much of free time - ARR wuld have given a bombay or Roja!! I guess from nowonwards ppl shuld stop comparing the mere HJ to his Greatness ARR!!
"One outstanding credit to HJ - Lyrics are understandable when compared to ARR's songs. There might be only 2 or 3 exceptions"
Kamaraj - there are only 5 songs out of which only 2 are understandable!! :) - lol!!
Kamarajc>>
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There are two ways to glorify ARR in Tamil Music World.
1. Release of ARR's Tamil album.
2. Release of HJ's Tamil album - start bashing HJ.
First case is a rarity these days.
This is becoming another HJ thread victimised for obsession with ARR's music.<<<
I think u have cut and pasted from an old arr thread
Ofcourse u did some editing!
Bravo!
Movies,
I just wrote them. Surprised to see that you are finding it as a copy. I swear I did not copy them.
You getting any message here?? :P
songs are avrege!!!!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/14421.html
Dig:This one says Shankar's next will be the long delayed "Robot'with a top hero.Will it be Kamal as originally planned&or some one else :?
After each one of his (Shanker's) film they are saying the samething...
I don't think there is anything concrete to say that he'll do Robo... And even if he does it (Robo) as per his track record the project will take off only after at least two years! Boys was in 2003...
Kamal said in an interview that we are not yet ready to make a good science fiction movie... He was predicting something like 2030 (not too sure) for this kinda film to happen...
"kumari" is a very good song :) very well sung by SM !
NagaS
I cant imagine that female who has a big waterfall under her armpits singing and dancing for these junk songs!! I feel like vomitting!!
This is incredible...Tyhe song "Kumari.." which SM has sung and which
Director Shankar, thru media is promoting as the trump card song...is
actually ..you know what...
"En uyir thozhi.." song of Kangalaal Kaidi sei...
Man I am listening to both one after another...Couldn't believe my ears...HJ
can stoop so low to copy...Lets try to give him the benefit of doubt...but
still how did he just replace the electronic percusion instrument with
Mridhangam and just made it a Indian clasical comedy song..
Arjun thanks for the links...The first song I listened prove a copied
stuff...God ...why did Shankar do this.
The "iniyavale" and "Kumari" match exactly....then after you all can make
it....Just that the presentation is different.
Bye
Karthik
Source From: Arr Yahoo Groups
Harris Jeyaraj's music for Kaaka kaaka was much better than the one he has composed for Anniyan. In Anniyan he has not been able to do justice to the hype created by a Shankar movie. ARR, on the other hand, matched the hype for Boys with good music (i.e., music that suited the mood of the movie). Comparison with ARR is inevitable if you are HJ, and no KamarajC can prevent that by any means of pre-emptive writing :D
The Hariharan number, which I guess is the Thiagaraja kirthanai referred by HJ, is just a rehash of a standard carnatic chorus singing. In particular, I distinctly see a resemblance to a joint rendering by a number of carnatic musicians at some music festival or something. This will simply not do, when you are replacing ARR as MD for a Shankar movie. The least one would expect is some originality, or at least creative mimicking. HJ is exposed on this count. Furthermore, there are distinct shades of Nee dayaraadha from Sindhu Bairavi and subtle shades of konja naal poru thalaiva Deva number. Also, the song Chennai senthamizh was an unmistakable modification of that Mahaganapathim carnatic song, but how effectively catchy it turned out to be (MD was Deva's son).
Honestly, how different is the dappanguthu number from those of Dheena's Tiruppachi? I may get a lot of criticism, but I liked some of the catchy numbers by Dheena in Tirupaachi. Add to it the catchy number by Bharadwaj in Ayya (oru varusham kaathirundhen or something). The numbers by Deva's son in the Ravi-Asin starrer were also catchy.
More later.
Shankar use to have the heriones of Maniratnam's movie of that time for his movie as herione. The only exception was Nagma.
Madhubala (Roja - Gentleman)
Nagma (Exception to this rule)
Manisha Koirala (Bombay - Indian)
Aishwarya Rai (Iruvar - Jeans)
Manisha Koirala (Uyire - Mudhalvan)
Harini (Shalini discontinued acting)
Sada (??)
Even in the beginning when she was announced, I thought she would be the second herione. For her.. after acting with some telugu actors in wet rainy songs, this is surely a bonanza. She looks good in few frames, but she was pathetic in 'Eithiree'. Shankar might have found her the best fit for 'Iyengaaru Veetu Azhagu'.
Music4Ever - infact the chennai senthamil song was a ditto remake of the chennai chandrama song from Amma Nana Oka Tamil ammayi :)
The songs, like someone else noticed earlier arent quite upto the ARR-Shankar standards. Both HJ and YSR try really hard to come up with something new in their albums and in the end their songs remind of something else heard 5 years back from Rahman or 15 years back from IR(in the case of YSR). I cant believe HJ said a few weeks back that he was immensely satisfied in getting to score 2 "semi-classicals(?!!)" with HH and ShankarM. The songs arent even light classicals. They are just raga-based melodies with strong shades
of "ennuyir thozhiye" in the SM song(the arabhi/devakanthari scale and the piano parts) and veena pieces from Narumugaiye slightly rehashed in the latter. The fast songs are just....fast. Nothing more can be said about them. Rahman's fast songs for Shankar have always been trendsetters and set your feet tapping the first time you listen to them. I guess the intense pressure of scoring something new for a Shankar film has caught up to HJ. He is probably better off scoring for Gautam Menon movies.
Isnt Kannum Kannum Nokia the same exact tune as Muthe mutham muthama from 12B ???
it also sounds like Puyaley Puyaley from Kovil.
Jacky, you have an amazing sense of humour. Ok, one simple question to you - Can you tell the HJ song that most resembles ARR's work, in your opinion?
This song is definitely a remix of the song saiyo siayo - from arasatchi.. listen to both the songs simultaneously ull find the similarity.
I think my arch rival YSR is far better than HJ!! :(
The much awaited album of Tamil film music industry 'Anniyan' by HJ has been released today.
The album is first for Shankar without ARR and he has tried recreating the magic He has done already with ARR. The music claerly indicates what kind of Visual imagery we are gonna get in the movie halls.
Shankar who is a director who solely depends upon visual extravaganza and hyper fiction. He is a modern TRajendhar in creating visuals for song sequences :wink: . The screen will be filled with rich colors accompanied by glamour and glitz. He has the knack of elevating ordinary scenes into larger than life scenes.
Said this lets wait for the movie to get released and see how this will help promoting HJ and his Music.
The Album has all ingredients to become a huge hit in near future If the film is going to be a hit too. Personally i felt 'Enna kandravi paattunga da ithu' in the first listening. But after listening to it a few more times i ve understood this has been the same kind of music for all of his films. the music has to be imagined with visuals, only then it will appeal to us. I cant listen to any of prior albums of Shankar-ARR combo without my mind racing to add on the visuals ive seen. For instance Listening to 'Kappalaeri poyaachu' - Indian, always leaves me with goosepimples all over. thinking about it i know its tied with the beats of the song i listend to in theatre along with looking 100's of artistes dancing to it in unison. For shankar, Songs are a part of his storytelling technique perfectly placed in right time while there needs a break for the Audience/Spectator.
Incidentally this album with its western, folk and carnatic mixture will leave us spellbound while watching them on the screen.
Understanding this HJ has delivered what was needed.
with heavy percussion and some striking interludes in the song 'Andankaaka' is sure to be foottapper of May'2005. The second interlude especially starting off with 'Yela Yela...Ola ola...mma...followed with a brief flute piece is great indeed. The start of the song itself reminds IR With unusual 'Andakka randakka'.. yela yelaa... everything borrowed from 80's Raja Vocabulary, no wonder this song is my pick of the Album :D The song also gives us new style of rendering folk for modern times. I observed this kind of music for the first time in 'Kaadhal' by 'Joshua Sridhar' and now in 'Anniyan' by HJ.This sets a new era for our folk music given in the platter of western POP.
Next comes the 'Iyengaaru Veetu' Azhagi beautiful Carnatic composition. mind it iam listening to most of the songs added with my imagination of Shankar's Picturisation. this song is already in news as being picturised in 'Thiruvaiyaaru' with 1000's of musicians performing live. nevertheless this songs charnams will take you to some locations filled with grandeur and nice choreography.
'Kaadhal Yaanai' Is sure to be in par with 'Shakalaka Baby' though it reminds me of some other song from 'Arasatchi' . The lyrics are full fledged comedy
'Kannum kannum Nokia' Is again a recycle of HJ's Earlier tunes from Saamuraai and 12B hmmm...
'Kumari en Kaathal' Could have done better :cry:
'Stranger in black' solra madhri illa :(
For now 'Andakka Randakka' is in loop in my system and i think HJ could have done better than this, for this could have been a major break for his career. But he was solely dependent on 'Shankar's Capacity to give life for his mediocre scores. Hope Shankar doenst disappoint anybody.
Barring this the industry is waiting for the next releases 'godFather' and 'A AA' by ARR. i have no high hopes on these albums as these directors have nothing to kindle the fire within ARR to comeup with great scores.
And for these songs - shankar and HJ spent the producer's money to visit the Pukhet Islands in Indonesia!! Atrocious!! Some other MD wuld have composed better songs sitting inside the toilet!!
On repeated listening, this is a pretty good album. Ofcourse its not Gentleman. But HJ has given his best. (Songs like Ayankaru Veetu, Kumari is not his genre..still he tried)
Guys, u should stop keep on comparing him with ARR. Its going nowhere. After ARR, Only HJ can deliver the sophisticated, carefully engineered songs to Shankar. Hopefully ARR will be back in the next Shankar venture. But for Anniyan, Shankar has got his best alternative.
After ARR, Only HJ knows how to optimize his singers.(He has replaced some parts of the Andankaaka of Jassie Gifts with KK for good...Jassie Gifts being good in fast beats, is very annoying if he raise his voice).
Ayyangaru Veetu Algae, awesome lyrics and singing.
As an ARR fan, i am really happy with Anniyan. :thumbsup: Kudos to HJ.
Kamarajc,
I think you need a hearing aid. It sure has shades in the singing style. I don't know why you keep fussing about simple things.
btw - who the hell wrote the lyrics? Is it by Vairamuthu?
well .. How many times we have seen this...
1.12 - 1.14 -- copy of ARR'S bum
2.23 - 2.24 -- copy of ARR'S ass
3.45 - 3.46 -- copy of ARR'S hole
and ther eis this famous cut and paste lines
"HJ is out of stock....HJ rehases tunes ....HJ copies tunes ...."
Somebody even commented some song starts like SAREGAME.... I didnt know ARR owned any copy rights for beats....
Get a life and have no tension!!
Rajasaranam,
Nice to see a balanced and non-partisan post from you :-) This is meant to a compliment, so lets not pick up a fight :-D
Jacky,
Thank you so much for that great tip. But, it would be even more great if you can enlighten me with your answer for the question - Just name one song out of all compositions of HJ, that most resemles the work of ARR. I am not really making a fuss, I am just asking this out of genuine interest.
Arjuna,
You are right. HJ has taken more time than this work deserves. This gap happens for everybody. He would have composed the tunes a year ago. Yes, Vairamuthu is not so impressive. Lyrics in the songs 'Kannum Kannum' and 'Kadhal Yaanai' are major disappointments.
Rajasaranam and Kumanan... Your reviews were good and genuine. My opinion on this album is also in lines with both of you.
Please listen to the preludes of Thaniye thanan thaniye and Arya udadugal unnathu. That's the one i can easily recollect. Just the preludes not the complete song btw.
I don't have anything against HJ, infact i thought he's better than Yuvan but now he's made me think otherwise.
Of course he has another big chance in vettaiyadu velayadu.
Long live HJ!
Yenna vidunga Sami.
Jacky, thanks for that response. I am not going to embarass you by commenting on your revelation (Thaniyae Thannanthaniyae - Aariya Uthadugal). Let us keep enjoying good music.
Infact, I do not have any special interest in HJ. I only see IR and ARR with awe. Others are also really good - HJ, VS, YSR, KR, Bharadwaj, Srikanth Deva, D.Imman, Joshua Sridhar. But out of this second line of MDs, I find only HJ being most consistent. I strongly believe KR will come in a big way once he gets a good break. He has still fared better even with craps like 'Ragasiyamai', 'Neranja Manasu' and 'Righta-Thappa'.
The only MDs I dislike in Tamil Music are Dheena, Sirpi, S A Rajkumar and Devi Sriprasad. There are few exceptions in their work, but they just dont qualify.
I am neutral to Deva and Manisharma.