THIRUKKURALH

vaLLuvar condemned vedic practices (yaaga):

avichorinthu aayiram vEttalin onRan
uyir sekuththu uNNaamai nanRu.

Quite clearly, ancient tamils called it "avichEgam" Both avi and chegu (sekuththu ) can be found in the kuRaL.

avi + seku + am = avichEgam (tamil ) > abishekam (sanskrit).

As animal sacrifices came to an end or the group practising it gave it up, avichEgam (abishegam) also changed its character and reached its present connotation.

Both the root words are well preserved in kuRaL.

puuvum niirum kondu iRaivanai vazipaduvathu tamizar paNbu.

puu sei > puusai (tamil) > puja (sanskrit).

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Originally Posted by mahadevan

Idiyappam wrote: So paarpaan is one who looks after the temple. Nothing specifically to do with any of the vEdas!! Vedas have nothing whatsoever to do with the etymology of the word paarppaan, with which we are here concerned and as it is used in kuRaL.

Well said Idiyappam, infact vedas did not know temple worship at all. Worship in vedas meant having a bonfire and butchering helpless animals. People call it a great a civilization!, such barbarism is nothing but a shame on entire humanity. Fortunatley these vedics had the natives of India (Tamils) to learn some culture from.

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Bis Mala said that, Mr Mahadevan -- not me! And she got it right!

solomon wrote: Parpanarkal means Forseers, With Panchangam a part of Sruthi, they forsee Rain etc., and Guide what crop is better, whether You can undertake Travel etc., Also they see the Dharma- Aram and tell you.

solomon please consult somebody who knows astrology/astronomy, they would tell you how different Tamil panchagam is from its equivalent in other indian languages. Infact it resembles Mayan calander than anything that is north Indian. Mayan history talks about how dark skinned people from east clothed in plain white visited their land and taught them culture, astrnomy and science. Panchagam was a product of tamil genius, though sanskrit fanatics translated most of the technical terminology in it (as always). Do not say that it was used exclusively by a certain caste to such an extent that they beacame to called as fortune tellers(parpanar). Even today in TN fortune telling is not limited by any caste considerations.

Now let's deal with what Ancheneya wrote:

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I AM quoting verbatim from Mu.Varatharasanar- .......................

Marappinum Ooththu Kolalam Parpan
Pirappu Olukkam Kundrak Kedum Kural No 134.

Mu.Va: "Karra MARAI Porulai Maranthalam Mindum athanai Oothik Karruk kolla mudium; Anal Marai Oothuvanudaiya Kudipirappu, Oolukkam kunrinal kedum.

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Here, "marai Othuvaarudaiya" does not refer to the (possible ancestors of ) present group who are claiming that Varatharaasanaar had adverted to them. In fact many temples have "Othuvaars" who are of the vaLLuvar group. During Sangam period, any person paid or required to do the job was the "maRai othuvaar". Mu Vaa does not refer to any caste.

Therefore, this point raised by the writer and supported by Solo is in utter collapse!!

MaRai does not refer to any veda foreign to TN. MaRai can refer to any written or unwritten learning of TN itself.

Is the word marai related to Marabu ?

marabu is related to maruvu - maruvuthal. (to embrace or adopt what has been done before ).

maRu ( + ai (suffix) gives (1) maRai, refutation, denial.
The word ethirmaRai contains this derivative. [ ai vikuthi peRRa thoziRpeyar in grammar ].

The above maRai (n) is unrelated to the following maRai (vb)

(2) maRai [ vb] - maRaiththal (= to hide) [ thoziRpeyar ]

maRai [ vb] > maRai [ noun ] ( ithu vikuthi peRaamal pakuthiyE ninRu peyarch chollaai varukiRathu ) [ muthanilaith thoziRpeyar in grammar ] This last is the one we are considering.

Thus, maRai and marabu are not related.


thanks.

nalla villakam, Bis_mala. Intha mathiri technical grammer tamil words ellam, ippathaan konchan ketkiren. vikuthi peramal, muthanilaith thozir peyar.... super.

Thanks uththappam sir!

Now, we shall turn to another urai cited by Anchaneya:

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Namkkal Kavignar Urai:
(Paarpan Vuyarnhtha Kulathan enpathu Avan Vetham Oothuvathal antru) Vetham Oothuvathai Maranthuvittalum Kutramillai; Brahmanan Thannudaiya Olukkathil Kurainthal Avan Vuyar Kulathan enpathu Alinthu Pogum.

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KuRaL is a book that has the distinction of receiving many commentaries from numerous outstanding scholars from the days of the great PARIMELAZAGAR. Even between old commentators, you would see differences in interpretation. It is the common feature in all these interpretations that they are “enriched” by the personal beliefs, religious persuasions, individual scholarship, knowledge of other literature – tamil as well as foreign and so forth.

There are many types of commentaries and in saying so, I am not referring to traditional classifications of commentaries that Tamil scholars refer to. One type would move closely with the history of the time. Another would try its best to interpret a stanza in such a way that it can be explained and adapted to present circumstances. Yet another would merely give the meanings of words which are not in common use today, helping you to understand by yourself what the stanza means. If you are science student, you would know that are such things as APPLIED MECHANICS, WORKSHOP MATHS, PRACTICAL MATHS.

Well, in commentaries too, there are species such as : “ applied commentaries”, “practical commentaries” and so forth. Namakkal Kavingar's commentary is one such commentary which looks at kuRaL from the present standpoint. You may call it “puthu urai”. It has its merits. Much of KuRaL’s commentaries were made at a time when raja and rani were ruling. Now they are gone. Many kuRaLs written with regard to the king should be brought down to the present circumstances, reinterpreted and applied!! They have to be applied to democratic institutions even though the author lived at a time when there were no such institutions. It is not wrong and it is one way of skinning the cat, so to speak.

With due deference to Namakkal, on its surface his puthu urai appears to have read caste into kuRaL. But his strategy is to apply the present to the past. Kulam is not the exact equivalent of caste. Kulam is then a collection of family units that are affiliated to one another over a period of time with a common genetic pool. Kulam is a collection of several “kudi”s. [ note: kul > kulai (vaazaikkulai); kul > kulam. Means from the same stem ] By now, people looking after temple have become a closed collection of kudis. They are supposed to have high social distinction. This distinction is an achievement owing to good conduct over a period of long time. Ozukkam determines this distinction. To adopt kuRaL to the present day situation, Namakkal wrote such a commentary. Namakkal intends to tell us that if not for the ozukkam, paarppan has no other distinction. One who commits theft of temple funds or who lusts after women who frequent the temple loses his distinction and is no better than any other ordinary person. This practical commentary is purposefully adapted to the present social conditions as they are now and do not in any manner show vaLLuvar to be a caste supporter. If any, vaLLuvar is shown as a upholder of ozukkam for the modern times.

In my view, this kuRaL can be further expanded in its scope of application. We should say that any person charged with duties in any place of worship (be it a Hindu Temple, synagogue, church or mosque) should be a person of exemplary conduct, If he fails, he brings shame to his entire family and its affiliates. (=kulam) . Parppaan should mean koyilaip paarppavan, church paarppavan, mosque paarpavan and so on. Such an interpretation befits the rank of vaLLuvar who has been given by us to the world at large (ulaginuukE thanthu vaanpukaz konda thamiznaadu…)

Note: There is a basic difference between the words "saathi" (jathi) and kulam.

saar > saarbu , saar > saarnthavar. saar> saarbinar.
saar > (saarthi) > saathi (tamil), > jati (skrt).
The underlying theme of this derivation is : "division".

kul> kulai, kul >kulam (As pointed out above, this word is about a common stem joining various things or persons. )
The underlying theme here is "joining".

Namakkal deserves our appreciation for using the word "kulam" in his commentary instead of saathi (jati).

The last urai quoted by Ancheneya:-

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Mayilai Sivamuthu:
Parppan than katra MaraiPorulai maranthuponalum avan marupadiyum athaik Katru kolla mudium. Anal antha Parppan Nal Oolukkathil irunthu Thavari viduvane anal Mindum avan Nalla Kudip Pirappu Vudaiavanaka Evaralum Karuthap pada Mattan.
Dictionary: Oothu- Marai allathu Vetham; Pirappozhukkam-Nalla Kudumbathil Piranthathanal vundaya Nalla Olukkam .

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Mayilai Sivamuthu’ s commentary repeats the word “paarppaan” found in kuRaL but unlike Namakkal, he does not give the word “brahmaNan” to explain it or as a 'synonym' to it. Like Mu.Va, it is clear that Sivamuthu did not want to apply its present synonym as also a synonym of the word in the bygone era. As I have said in earlier post, the word BrahmaNa itself had undergone changes in meaning. In other words, what may appear to be “equal” in meaning now was not “equal” during the age of vaLLuvar. The same conclusion as for other urais apply here: that paarppan was not a name of a closed group during vaLLuvar’s era.

Let’s now deal with the meaning of Oththu: It is derived in the following way.

Othu (verb) > Oththu (noun).

The following words are formed in similar manner:

Paadu (vb) > paattu (n).
Kuudu (vb) > kuuttu (n). [ e.g., kuuttuk kudumbam ]

Some words in addition receive an “-am” suffix, as

Aadu (v) > aattu > aattam,
Naadu (vb) > naattu > naattam.

When you meet with other examples, please take note. [ grammar: vikuthi peRRO perAmalO, vallezuththu iraddiththup peyarAvathu .]

Ancheneya said that Oththu = vEtham. This word has many meanings given in any dictionary.

Meanings: 1. Othuvathu. 2. maRai. 3. vEtham. 4. iyal. 5. vithi. 6. nuul.

Thus it is not special word meaning vEtham. One cannot insist that the word referred to arya vEtham exclusively.


Othaamal oru naaLum irukkavEndAm.
Othuvathu oziyEl.

Clearly, these old sayings do not mean you must recite the vEdAs.

Othi uNarthal = padiththuth therinthukoLLuthal.


A vEtham may be an "oththu" but not every oththu is vEtham. Every time the word vEtham is mentioned, it does not necessarily mean the Arya vEtham.[/i]

Remember please that as others did, "Brahmanas" too joined and were among Buddhists and Jains.

PS.- I have assumed that Ancheneya had accurately reproduced the commentaries he cited. I have not checked them.

I shall also cover this point more elaborately - the word : "MARAI" though I have mentioned something about it in my earlier post.
There are Tamil exponents who are firm that MARAI refers to thamiz nuul.

We shall now see what a leading Tamil pulavar thought about the word maRai. Kavi Bharathithaasan sang as follows:

"Á¨È¦ÂÉô ÀÎÅÐ ¾Á¢ú¾¡ý Á¨Èáø;
Áü¨È Á¨Èáø À¢ýÅó¾ ̨Èáø!!
Өȡö þ¨Å¸ðÌî º¡ýÚ¸û ¸¡ðÊ
ÓÆì¸ï ¦ºö....."

Thus he was quite clear that when the word maRai occurs in ancient texts, it refers to maRais or nuuls (arts, philosophies and other learnings or expositions) originating in Tamil itself.


I shall now illustrate - it would be wrong to conclude that whenever the word maRai is used, it invariably refers to aRya vEtham.

maRaimozi does not mean vEtham.

n-iRaimozi mAn-thar perumai n-ilaththu
maRaipozi kAddi vidum. (kuRaL.)

¿¢¨È¦Á¡Æ¢ Á¡ó¾÷ ¦ÀÕ¨Á ¿¢ÄòÐ
Á¨È¦Á¡Æ¢ ¸¡ðÊ Å¢Îõ.

In my last past, the end part of the document appears to be corrupted. I repost the kuRaL in Tamil fonts (murasu).

¿¢¨È¦Á¡Æ¢ Á¡ó¾÷ ¦ÀÕ¨Á ¿¢ÄòÐ
Á¨È¦Á¡Æ¢ ¸¡ðÊ Å¢Îõ.



In Tolkappiyam, the word "maRai has been used to denote a treartise on music, the full description being: "narambin maRai". Let's look at the full verse:

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Good work bis_mala. In my posting Aug 10,2005 in tamil is elder to Sanskrit thread I have clearly shown what aruthozhil means,Anthanar means & Paarpaan means. Parpaan participated in marriage rituals of all religions.

Silapathikaram & Manimekalai are Samanar books. Where do the Vedhic traditions come?

Solomon-Ancheneya misinterpreted. His forgery was shown by me regarding Pathiruppathu poetry in earlier pages of This column.

Whenever we seek the meaning of any kural we have to take into consideration of proceeding kural. The flow of thinking of valluvar clearly shall be understood by this. Pavaanar did this.

www.tamilvu.org has Pavaanar explanation for the kondunkonmai Athikaaram. The proceeding kural says about rain. The next kural says about cow. When there is no rain, there will be no grass:and so cows shall be affected. Aruthozhilore here are as per thivakaram nikandu. Visit my posting in "Tamil is elder ... "thread.

Aayars are important persons in ancient tamil society. Valluvar talks about them and cow. Not about Brahmins. Brahmin the word coined only after Vinnava(vaishana) traditions reached peak during 6th century ACE.

My posting about Tholkappiam dated 03,Aug.2005 also clears this notion.

Continue your posts to tarnish this sort of misinterpretations.

f.s.gandhi

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Thanks to FSG vandayar for his post above.

Friends,

I See with pride, quiet a lot of Friends with Dravidian Supremacy views, but still lost totally the Latest Research and Proven views.

Dr.M.Deivanayagam, a Disciple of Devaneya Pavanar- took various Commentries written for Tirukural, and took mainly from Pavanar and Panmozhi Pulavar Appadurai- and established Tirukural is written by Valluvar from Teachings of Apostle Thomas- a Disciple of Lord Jesus and with base as Bible, and also got P.Hd. on this.

Tirukural is essentially a Christian book to explain Bible.

All Dravidians should be proud of this.
Paul Thomas

Paul Thomas,
could be that you read your bible with closed eyes?

The Apostle Thomas who was in India was killed in TN if I remember right. A story tells that when he was killed on a mountain top he turned to a peacock. Peacock is the vahanam of Murugan.

When I was in SL, Embilipitiya Area - a deep Singhala araea - this spring I heard that Murugan is regarded as the mountain god there. There are also a lot of Peacocks flying arround.

And don't get blind because someone has a phd or not. It only states that you have done something specific in an accademic field. For example you can also doctorate if you just analyse the amount of water in dog shit. I am really not joking.

Thirukkural is above all religions and it is "TAMIL MARAI" and any sort of misinterpretation by religious fundamentalists shall not have substance to prove.

Thirukkural adapted some natural gods of tamil culture. That's all. Other than that there is no single evidance of vernacular religions represented in it.

f.s.gandhi

i read thirukural online with eng translation
saw his statue pics too one in tamil nad
i feel he is Buddhist
'King Parakramabahu' , polanaruva srilanka . RESEMBLE.

My Chinese lady friend who has a PhD in Chinese literature and history read a translation of kuRaL, given her by me. She is decidedly
of the view that Valluvar was a confucianist!! He had also taken something from LaoTse, she feels.

A European said that a single person could not have written the kuRaL.: It must be an anthology. There was no person by the name of vaLLuvan it seems - according to this man. He based his conclusion among other things on the fact that when VaLLuvar talked of education, he gave the highest mark for it; when he talked of good conduct or ozukkam, he said that it was the best in the world. A single person would say one thing is the best in the world and the rest are all subordinate to it, unlike vaLLuvar.

So many people say so many things!! Some of these researchers contradicted each other, relegating you to a state of utter confusion. Even if you spend your entire lifetime trying to reconcile them, YOU JUST CANNOT!!

Theories just keep on coming out all the time. ÒüȢĢÕóÐ ®ºø ÒÈôÀ𼨾ô§À¡Ä!

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Dear tfmlover,

Please download murasu anjal tamil fonts from www.murasu.com. Murasu 2000 fonts are free. Follow instructions on screen and also consult the help feature of the software.

its ok leavit wats the point dwn loading fonts? iwheni cant read tamil..will oneday

Paulthomas wrote:

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I See with pride, quiet a lot of Friends with Dravidian Supremacy views,

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It is not a question of Dravidian supremacy. It is a matter of understanding the true nature of our literature and the relevant history.
Even if the Tamils were the first race in the world it still carries them nowhere.
Presently researchers say that human race originated in Africa. Of what material help is this to the present Africans?? Is that African supremacy?

The purpose of etymology is to arrive at a proper definition of the word or to understand its correct meaning. True appreciation follows from correct understanding. The purpose of literary research is to lead to true appreciation of our language and literature. It is not to dispise other languages and their literature.

Writers here have said that kuRaL was not influenced by Northern culture and languages because that is the truth, as evident from our analysis. There is no supremacy involved.

I am unable to accept Dr Deivanayagam's views and his thesis, for reasons I have stated in my post in the Indian History section in reply to Mr. Paulthomas. The learned doctor's views are not unusually convincing to me for me to embrace it! If people here did not touch upon something, it does not follow they are all totally lost to that thing!! Certain things are best left untouched. For the info of Mr Paulthomas, Dr Deivanayagam has already been mentioned in some posts. Allegation that we are totally lost is erroneous.

Any person of any religion can say that he is at peace and at home with kuRaL!! That is the beauty of kuRaL. It is pothumaRai or pothunuul. So I am not surprised at all that a Christian says it is his, a Chinese says it is from Confucious and even a Muslim can say that it is like Mohamad's teaching - one God, no form and so forth. KuRaL was deliberately written to accomodate all. kuRaL kept clear of all religious influence. Even the atheist is happy with it!!

It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity.

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Dear friends, you can also copy the posts in Tamil fonts and convert to "Romanised" using the Murasu editor. This feature is available. You can then read it, and understand it if you at least know Tamil speech though not able to read T. fonts.

The following transliteration is done by Murasu Editor: for those unable to follow:

Sudhaama wrote:
//anparE!.. ithenna thirukkuRaLA?... allathu umathu kuralA?.. allathu yAr-mIthAvathu n-aiyANdi sAdalA?//

anpukkuriya n-EyarE! n-An En piRarai n-aiyANdi seyyavENdum? appOthaikkakpOthu ippadik karuththuLLa varikaLaik kURi ennai n-AnE vazippaduththikkoLkiREn. piRar sevikkum eddi avarkaLidamum athu sin-thanai alaikaLai ERpaduththumAnAl, athaRku n-An kuRukkE n-iRkamAddEn. athuvum n-anmaikkE enRu vidduviduvEn. kuRaL enRIr! in-thak kuRaLA--

kaRpanai vINenRAl aRputhamen REyAdi
viRpanai seyyEl mathi.


//n-Ir kuRippidum in-thap-pAdal parAsakthi padaththilirun-thu ... sariyAna sol-vadivam ithO...//

parAsakthi enRa padam eppOthu van-thathu enRu theriyavillai. n-An piRappathaRkup pala ANdukaLukkumun van-thathupOlum. n-An kaNda varikaL n-Uln-ilaiyaththil uLLa oru suvadiyilirun-thu. sariyAna solvadivangkaLai vazangkiyathaRku en n-anRi. ivaRRaiyellAm n-anku kaRRup piRarukkum vazangkikkoNdirukkum ungkaLaip pArAddukiREn. vAzk vaLarka n-um thoNdu.
tfmlover
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject:
pls i cant read this..help
Sudhaama
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:

quote="bis_mala"

// "vIN kaRpanaiyellAm manathil aRputhamenRE makizn-thu
viRpanaiseyyAthIr mathiyai!
thinam n-inaikkum pozuthu manam inikkum vithaththil sukam
aLikkum kalaikaL aRivOm!! (oru pazaiya thiraippAdal puththakaththilirun-thu. ezuthiyavarpeyar pOdavillai)//

anparE!.. ithenna thirukkuRaLA?... allathu umathu kuralA?.. allathu yAr-mIthAvathu n-aiyANdi sAdalA?

n-Ir kuRippidum in-thap-pAdal parAsakthi padaththilirun-thu ... sariyAna sol-vadivam ithO...

kumAri kamalAvin n-AddiyappAdal:---

"vIN kaRpanaiyinAl manathil
aRputhamenRE n-inain-thu
viRpanaiseyyAthIr mathiyai!
thinam n-inaikkum pozuthu manam
inikkum vithaththil sukam
aLikkum kalaikaL aRivOm!!

(O rasika sImAnE vA jolikkum
udaiyaNin-thu kaLikkum n-adanam purivOm)
bis_mala
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:
"vIN kaRpanaiyellAm manathil aRputhamenRE makizn-thu
viRpanaiseyyAthIr mathiyai!
thinam n-inaikkum pozuthu manam inikkum vithaththil sukam
aLikkum kalaikaL aRivOm!! (oru pazaiya thiraippAdal puththakaththilirun-thu. ezuthiyavarpeyar pOdavillai)

Best regards to all.

quote="bis_mala"

// It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity.//

WELL-SAID...Yes... But a Small Correction Please...

Better Say TAMILIANS ... than Tamilnadu.!!!

.. ¡Ðõ °§Ã ¡ÅÕõ §¸Ç¢÷....!!!

¾É¢ ´ÕÅÛìÌ ¯½Å¢ø¨Ä ±É¢ø ƒ¸ò¾¢¨É «Æ¢ò¾¢Î§Å¡õ.!

±ø§Ä¡Õõ þýÒüÈ¢Õì¸ ¿¢¨ÉôÀЧŠ«øÄ¡Áø §Å¦È¡ýÚ-«È¢§Âý ÀáÀçÁ.

«ý§À ¾¸Ç¢Â¡ ¬÷ŧÁ ¦¿ö¡¸
þýÒÕÌ º¢ó¨¾§Â þξ¢Ã¢Â¡
¿ýÒÕ¸¢ »¡Éîͼ÷Å¢ÇìÌ ²üÈ¢§Éý ...

«ýÀ¢Ä¡÷ ±ýÚõ ¾ÁìÌâÂ÷ «ýÒ¨¼§Â¡÷
±ýÚõ ¯Ã¢Â÷ À¢È÷ìÌ.

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WELL-SAID...Yes... But a Small Correction Please...

Better Say TAMILIANS ... than Tamilnadu.!!!

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You have done an excellent amendment to reflect my real thought that was the basis of what I wrote. In a hurry, I excluded myself from the credit. I am neither born in TN nor living there now!! If I say Tamil Nadu I would have left myself out. It should be TAMILIANS as you have corrected. Then it would embrace all Tamilians of the world.

vaLLuvan thannai ulakinukkE than-thu
vAnpukaz koNda --

thamizmakkaL enRu .....!

nanRi.

"bis_mala"

vaLLuvan thannai ulakinukkE than-thu
vAnpukaz koNda --

ÅûÙÅý ¾ý¨É ¯Ä¸¢Û째 ¾óÐ
Å¡ýÒ¸ú ¦¸¡ñ¼............................................. ............ -------------- ???

thamizmakkaL enRu ..... ........................ ¾Á¢úÁì¸Ç¡???... !!!....¾Á¢ú¿¡Î?

nanRi.

¾Á¢ú- ¯Ä¸Á¡ó¾ý À¡Ã¾¢ ¦º¡ü¸Ç¢ø ¾ÅÈ¡?.... ÅûÙŨÉô ¦ÀüÚò-¾ó¾ ¿¡Î ¾Á¢ú¿¡Î ¾¡§É?

Á¢ġÒâ ¾Á¢ú¿¡ðÊø ¾¡§É ¯ÇÐ?

//It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity.//

"ÅûÙÅý ¾ý¨É ¯Ä¸¢Û째 ¾ó(¾)Ð........... ¾Á¢ú¿¡Î" ±ýÀ¨¾ò¾¡ý It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity. ±ýÚ ¦Á¡Æ¢¦ÀÂ÷òÐ ±Ø¾¢§Éý. À¢ýÒ ¯í¸û ÀâóШÃôÀʧÂ, ¾Á¢ú¿¡Î ±ýÀ¨¾ò ¾Á¢úÁì¸û ±ýÚ Á¡üȢ¨Áò§¾ý. «ôÀÊ Á¡üȢɡÖõ À¡Ã¾¢Â¢ý ¸Å¢Â¢ø ¾ÅÚ¦º¡øÅЧÀ¡Ä¡Ìõ ±ý¸¢È£÷¸û. «ôÀÊ¡ɡø Óý ¿¡ý ±Ø¾¢ÂЧÀ¡Ä§Å It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity. ±ýÚ §À¡ðÎŢθ¢§Èý. ¿ýÈ¢. Žì¸õ.

"vaLLuvan thannai ulakinukkE than-(tha)thu........... thamizn-Adu" enpathaiththAn "It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity" enRu mozipeyarththu ezuthinEn. pinpu ungkaL parin-thuraippadiyE, thamizn-Adu enpathaith thamizmakkaL enRu mARRiyamaiththEn. appadi mARRinAlum pArathiyin kaviyil thavaRusolvathupOlAkum enkiRIrkaL. appadiyAnAl mun n-An ezuthiyathupOlavE "It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity." enRu pOdduvidukiREn. n-anRi. vaNakkam.

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[ For those who are unable to follow Tamil fonts, the two posts by Mr Sudhaama are transliterated.}

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:39 am Post subject: Re: one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity. Reply with quote

quote="bis_mala"

// It is one gift of Tamil Nadu for all humanity.//

WELL-SAID...Yes... But a Small Correction Please...

Better Say TAMILIANS ... than Tamilnadu.!!!

.. yAthum UrE yAvarum kELir....!!!

thani oruvanukku uNavillai enil jakaththinai aziththiduvOm.!

ellOrum inpuRRirukka n-inaippathuvE allAmal vERonRu-aRiyEn parAparamE.

anpE thakaLiyA ArvamE n-eyyAka
inpuruku sin-thaiyE iduthiriyA
n-anpuruki njAnassudarviLakku ERRinEn ...

anpilAr enRum thamakkuriyar anpudaiyOr
enRum uriyar piRarkku.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: nanRi Reply with quote

"bis_mala"

vaLLuvan thannai ulakinukkE than-thu
vAnpukaz koNda --

vaLLuvan thannai ulakinukkE than-thu
vAnpukaz koNda............................................. ............ -------------- ???

thamizmakkaL enRu ..... ........................ thamizmakkaLA???... !!!....thamizn-Adu?

nanRi.

thamiz- ulakamAn-than pArathi soRkaLil thavaRA?.... vaLLuvanaip peRRuth-than-tha n-Adu thamizn-Adu thAnE?

mayilApuri thamizn-Addil thAnE uLathu?

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Miss S~mala

very kind of you bis mala .i got it

thanks dear

All lands and towns are learner's own
Why not till death learning go on!

Glory and grace will go away
When savants silly nonsense say

i guess valluvar said the above too , lets glory and learn pls

Friends,

Most of the response against my posting were more of emotional and not a research and Truth Oriented.

¸¡ó¾¢ Åý¨¼Â÷,À¢Š.ÁÄ- both do not agree with the Regular Interpretations of Tirukural done over the Millennium, but surprisingly do not agree with Dr.M.Deivanayagam, founder of Dravidian Religious Movement.

Bobeto, You think Dr.Deivanayagam, got his Phd., just like that.

Deivanayagam, from Pavanar School, took all the major commentators of Kural, mainly the Thani-Tamil movement and Dravidian Rationalist Commentaries, and brought the Correct Meaning of Tirukural as A Bible Oriented Christian Book.

Deivanayagam’s first book was titled, “¾¢ÕÅûéÅ÷-¸¢È¢Š¾Åá?”- Released by Respected Tamil Dravidian Scholar- and then Minister for Health in M.Karunanithi Govt. R.NEDUNCHEZHIAN. i.e. in 1969, then Chief Minister and Highly valued Tamil Perarignar-KALAIGNAR M.Karunanithi has given a foreword to the book. Mylapur Santhome Church Archbishop also has given a foreword to it. Most of his books have been released by high ranking Dravidian Ministers.

Deivanayagam was using the Interpretaions of Pavanar and Panmozhi Pulavar Appathurai, for his thesis. Deivanayagam used the same Techinique of Tamil Interpretation, being called ETYMOLOGY, and as THANI-TAMIL and Dravidian movement Scholars said and I quote from Bis.mala-
“The purpose of etymology is to arrive at a proper definition of the word or to understand its correct meaning. True appreciation follows from correct understanding. The purpose of literary research is to lead to true appreciation of our language and literature. “
This is exactly what Dr.M.Deivanayagam did and brought the Truths.
Tiruvalluvar wrote Kural to Preach Bible.

I give the views of Highly Regarded PanMozhiPulavar-APpadurai who gave AüÚôÀÎòÐõ ¯¨Ã-º¢Ã¢Ââý áö¸Ç¢ø ¿¡ý ¾É¢ôÀð¼ ®ÎÀ¡Î ¦¸¡ñÎû§Çý. É¡ø «¾üÌ ¸¡Ã½õ «Å÷ ÓÊÒ «ýÚ, «õÓʨÀ «¨¼Ôõ Ũ¸Â¢ø «Å÷ ¸¡ðÎõ ¿Î¿¢¨Ä¨Á §¸¡¼¡¾ ¾Õì¸Ó¨È¨ÁÔõ «Å÷ÑñÁ¡ñ ѨÆÒÄò¾¢ý ܦáǢ ãÄõ ¿ÁìÌì ¸¢ðÎõ ÒÐ ÒÐ ÅûéÅ ¦Áöõ¨Á¸Ù§Á." For the book “³ó¾Å¢ò¾¡ý ¡÷?”

All Dravidian friends, Dravidian Language speakers are from abroad, who came to India/Tamilnadu prior to 3000BCE, earlier than Aryans, who came after 3000 BCE. Tamil Wrting was derived from Asoka Brami, which was again derived from Biblic “Aramic script”

Thiruvalluvar wrote Kural to explain Bible-Thirumarai, let us accept the Truths.
In the same ³ó¾Å¢ò¾¡ý ¡÷?- had an «½¢óШÃ, by Rev.Dr. V.M.GNAna Prakasam Aadigal,. M.A., P.hd., from Loyala College-Tamil Research Institute, who wrote,
“ÅûÙÅ÷ áø «ÈëÄ¡ Á¨ÈáÄ¡ ±ýÈ §¸ûÅ¢ ±ØÅÐ ¯ñÎ. ÒÄÅ÷ ¦¾öÅ¿¡Â¸ò¾¢ý ÓÊ׸¨Ç «È¢»÷ ¯Ä¸õ º£÷àì¸¢î ¦ºôÀÉ¢ðÎ ²üÚì ¦¸¡ý¼¡ø “¾¢ÕÅûéÅâý ¾¢ÕìÌÈû “¾¢ÕÁ¨Èáø ±ýÚ
н¢ÂÄ¡õ.”
We can conclude, very clearly that Thiruvalluvar was taught Bible, by Saint.Thomas, disciple of Our Lord- Jesus Christ, and that Biblic idea was put in by Valluvar as Kural.

If Friends are interested, I am willing to discuss on Dr.Deivanayagam’s Truth findings in detail, and it is good that Bis.mala can support as claims to have fully read them. Bismala, Christianity is a Universal and True Divine Religion, and hence accepted by all over the world; so that Thirukural is claimed as belonging to all religions. But it is derived from Bible.

Friends, let us follow Thirukural and Bible, the original from which Kural came.

Thirukural is written from Bible, is the truth.

PaulThomas.

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//Most of the response against my posting were more of emotional and not a research and Truth Oriented.//

Sorry to have given you this impression. I am not emotionally involved with anything. In a particular response to your post elsewhere, you would have noticed that I re-edited my post. I always aim to have a balanced view of things.

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//¸¡ó¾¢ Åý¨¼Â÷,À¢Š.ÁÄ¡- both do not agree with the Regular Interpretations of Tirukural done over the Millennium, but surprisingly do not agree with Dr.M.Deivanayagam, founder of Dravidian Religious Movement.//

Please proceed to use your debating or reasoning skills to make me and others agree. My mind is not closed to anything. I want to focus on the rationes behind any conclusion.

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//Deivanayagam, from Pavanar School, took all the major commentators of Kural, mainly the Thani-Tamil movement and Dravidian Rationalist Commentaries, and brought the Correct Meaning of Tirukural as A Bible Oriented Christian Book.

Deivanayagam’s first book was titled, “¾¢ÕÅûéÅ÷-¸¢È¢Š¾Åá?”- Released by Respected Tamil Dravidian Scholar- and then Minister for Health in M.Karunanithi Govt. R.NEDUNCHEZHIAN. i.e. in 1969, then Chief Minister and Highly valued Tamil Perarignar-KALAIGNAR M.Karunanithi has given a foreword to the book. Mylapur Santhome Church Archbishop also has given a foreword to it. Most of his books have been released by high ranking Dravidian Ministers.//

I do not slight any of these intellectuals. Dr D must have put in quite a great deal of hard work into his thesis. I do not also decry his efforts.

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//All Dravidian friends, Dravidian Language speakers are from abroad, who came to India/Tamilnadu prior to 3000BCE, earlier than Aryans, who came after 3000 BCE. Tamil Wrting was derived from Asoka Brami, which was again derived from Biblic “Aramic script”//

Give us more of the evidence. We’ll be surely glad to listen to you.

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//If Friends are interested, I am willing to discuss on Dr.Deivanayagam’s Truth findings in detail, and it is good that Bis.mala can support as claims to have fully read them. //

Claims to have fully read Dr Deivanayagam? I do not make any such claims and I am not a researcher in this particular area of literature in which Christianity and VaLLuvar are interplayed. After my one or two posts, I was waiting to hear more from you, but you have drawn, apparently, an adverse inference from my posts and disappeared from my computer screen for quite a while. You could, in my opinion, have persisted and stood your ground with more evidence pouring forth from your case bag like an advocate in court. (sorry Paul, this is just a light-hearted comment).
I am not promising to agree, for that will depend, as it will for any other rational being; but I shall carefully listen, as I think the others too will. Please explain to us the basis of Dr D’s conclusions.

Please spell my name in Tamil as Á¡Ä¡ and not ÁÄ. Please amend your post. Thank you.

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//Bismala, Christianity is a Universal and True Divine Religion, and hence accepted by all over the world; so that Thirukural is claimed as belonging to all religions. But it is derived from Bible.//

I understand this is your proposition for discussion. I am not anti-Christianity or anti-any religion. Kindly put forth your evidence for everyone to read. I am not in your way.

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//Friends, let us follow Thirukural and Bible, the original from which Kural came.Thirukural is written from Bible, is the truth.//

Please proceed to enumerate and explain the proofs. I wish you all the best.

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ÌÁ¡Ã¢ B.I º¢ÅÁ¡Ä¡.

Dear paulthomas!

There is no label of Pavanar School, Dravidian school, Aryan School, Christian School,Muslim School & Thanithamil school in the decipherment of truths.

There is one school which encourages definite findings and that is called 'unmai' (Truth) School and this is consolidated by Valluvar as 'Meipporul'- guiding by "epporul Yaar Yaar Vaaik Ketpinum apporul Meipporul" -way.

You are trying to artificially isolate the conformities of truths by labelling names
to various groups of thoughts, confusing others, zooming remote differences of these group of thoughts and Especially for the purpose of hiding the truths.

You first entered as solomon to curse Christians because they particularly Robert Galduwell & Burro who questioned Vedhic lies and explicited tamils antiquity in rational & radical way to the world!

You then cursed Thanithtamil movement & Dravidian movement because they further expanded the truths as social movement against your vedhic treacheries!

You took Ancheneyan Avatar to support Vedhic traditions Selective quotings.

And now you are taking Christian slot to make everybody in favour of Vedhic lies! This is called 'Oru Kallil Erandu Maangoi'. We will prove that christian Dr.Theiva nayakan view is wrong. You will take this to prove all Christian / Western thinking is wrong.

All form of your Vedhic protagonist Avatars have single point agenda of eulogising Vedhic traditions!

Gone are the days people followed foolishly Vedhic treacherous works!

Welcome Paul Thomas! put your views! If it has substance everybody will accept it.

f.s.gandhi

Friends,

I do not understand unwanted comments, and I leave them aside.

Happy Christmas to you all.

The book of Dr.Deivanayagam - based on his Phd thesis - Tirukural, Viviliam and Saiva Siddantha a comaprison was published by TN Govt.' International Institute of Tamil Studies, and this Phd moderatior was highly regarded Scholar-S.V.Subramanian.

This book is the One I want to discuss.

Mr.Deivanayagam established that Tirukural was book written to probagate Bible and to Preach Christianity.

I want all to understand this and to discuss on this, and as per Dr.Deivnayagam, entire Tamil knowledge is derived from the Preachings of Saint.Thomas.

Please confirm this. Dravidians as per Caldwell, Slater, Burrows etc., are the People who came to India with the Language from Outside India. So we cannot selectively take some Ideas and please do not harp on this. Let us discuss Tirukural and Deivanayagam's works.

PAULTHOMAS.

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Originally Posted by tfmlover

very kind of you bis mala .i got it

thanks dear

All lands and towns are learner's own
Why not till death learning go on!

Glory and grace will go away
When savants silly nonsense say

i guess valluvar said the above too , lets glory and learn pls

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Hello (tfmlover)!! This is Mala wishing you Merry Christmas and a very happy new year. Same to FSG and all others.

tfm : Your kuRaL translation is wonderful.

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Originally Posted by paulthomas

Friends,

The book of Dr.Deivanayagam - based on his Phd thesis - Tirukural, Viviliam and Saiva Siddantha a comaprison was published by TN Govt.' International Institute of Tamil Studies, and this Phd moderatior was highly regarded Scholar-S.V.Subramanian.

This book is the One I want to discuss.

Mr.Deivanayagam established that Tirukural was book written to probagate Bible and to Preach Christianity.


PAULTHOMAS.

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No point discussing, he has already got his degree. Set it aside as we have no degree-withdrawal powers!!

Friends,
Please allow me to quote from Dravidian Relgious Movement Founder, Pulavar Dr.M.Deivanayagam from his book ¿£ò¾¡÷ ¡÷?
þô¦À¡ØÐ Åó¾¢ÕìÌõ ÀòÐ Á¢¸ô ¦ÀâÂÐ. þô¦À¡ØÐ ¾¢ÕÅûÙÅ÷ ¸¢Ã¢Š¾Å ºÁ¢§Â ±ýÚ Åó¾¢Õ츢ÈÐ. þó¾ Å¢ÀòÐ Óý§É ÅÃÅ¢ø¨Ä. - Óò¾Á¢ú ¸¡ÅÄ÷-ÒÄÅ÷ ÌØò¾¨ÄÅ÷ ¸¢..¦À.Å¢º¢Å¿¡¾õ.(1971) ÅÕõ ÌÈØõ Àì¸õ 19, ÅûÙÅ÷ ñÎ ¸¢.Ó.31 ±É ¿¢ÚŢ ¦ÀâÂÅ÷¸Ç¢ø ´ÕÅ÷) Page-6 ¿£ò¾¡÷ ¡÷?

This book was released as per information in the invitation notice in the same book - page 1, Head PanMozhiPulavar-APpadurai
Book Released by Prof. Hon.K.Anazhagan, Health Minister
Vazhthhturai- Yogi- Suththananta Barathiar
Vurai: Prof. Thiru. K.T.Thiunavukkarasu. , madras Univarsity Tirukural Researc wing
Pulavar. Sanmugam Pillai. madras Univarsity Tirukural Researc wing
Thanks: V.M.GNAp Prakasam, Loyala College Tamil Research Dept.

Dravidian Relgious Movement Founder, Pulavar Dr.M.Deivanayagam, continues his work in the same way as Rev. Bishop Caldwell, G.U.Pope, Pavnar etc, for seving the Lord Jesus Christ and for the growth of Dravidian movement.

Dravidian Relgious Movement Founder, Pulavar Dr.M.Deivanayagam, continues his work, by making his disciples get further P.hd., and M.phil. etc., to confirm that Tamil bakthi movement of Saivism and Vaishnavism by Nayanmars and Alwars are inspired by Our Lord- Jesus Christ’s Disciple Saint.Thomas Teaching of Bibles and that Tiruvalluvar wrote Kural to probagate, True Historical visit of God as Human, Jesus Christ, who gave his life and blood as Sacrifice, to purify all the Sins of the Humanity and also the Birth Sin we carry due to Adam- the first man having disobeyed God’s word and had intercourse, and Humanity came in. Lord Jesus Christ saves us from all our Sins.
Dravidian Relgious Movement Founder, Pulavar Dr.M.Deivanayagam; explains all this in his book- ±ØÀ¢ÈôÒ; and his other books include
³ó¾Å¢ò¾¡ý ¡÷?
“¾¢ÕÅûéÅ÷-¸¢È¢Š¾Åá?”-
º¡ý§È¡÷ ¡÷?
¿£ò¾¡÷ ¡÷?
Å¡ý ±Ð?
¦Áö¸ñ¼¡÷ «ÕǢ º¢Å»¡É §À¡¾õ, Å¢Çì¸×¨Ã
«Õð¦ºøÅõ ¡Ð?
And ofcourse his Monumental Research Thesis book:-
ŢŢĢÂõ - ¾¢ÕìÌÈû - ¨ºÅº¢ò¾¡ó¾õ- ´ôÀ¡ö×
In this book he relates Saivam with Bible, Later HIS Daughter Tamil Pulavar-Dr.D.Devakala Jothimani; got a P.Hd. for relating Vaishnavam with Bible, and his other disciples continues this with the help of Madras Christian College and others; doing a marvelous work to probagate for Dravidian cause and for telling Tamil public on Lord. Jesus Christ.

I am surprised by attacks on me even from Dravdian Scholars as Mr.fsg and mala, Friends I am collecting information on them and putting here as I have only two of their books.

Dr.D.Devakala Jothimani, herself participated in few forums; as per my Search by Google, which any body can try.

Lord Jesus teachings were put in by Tiruvalluvar in Kural, I Shall give proper interpretations of Kural by Pulavar.Deivanayagam, from now on.

Paul Thomas.