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AS is def a remake of Mrs. Doubtfire.... the basic story is ripped from it... just that the screenplay and all the others were handled in an INDIAN manner...and if u liked AS.... credit goes to K.S.Ravikumar and not Kamal...
FYI, i saw Mrs. Doubtfire more than 50 times.
:lol: remake-na ennanu theriyuma unakku??Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
none of stanley kubrick's movies have an original story..
only if a director uses the same scenes/camera angles/dialogues/music then its a remake...
this is the difference bet remake and an inspiration/adaptation..
Seringe.... ungalakku thaan remakes/inspiration/adaptation patthi naraiya teriyanum.... if u know wut i mean.... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devar Magan
and may be its u who know what is copy\xerox, 1 to 1, ect.... if u know wut i mean.... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
look who is talking bout copying ...... repeating my lines back.... vendam pa.... copying Kamal oode vithirenge.... neenge fans ellam follow pannathinge.... :lol: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
vetti peeteru party-galukkellaam naan ithukku mela reply panna porathillai..
Othekethange..... Good..... :thumbsup: :lol:
200 kodi roobai karuppu panam naatukulla puzakkathula vittuttu, hawala pannittu, athai "Sivaaji Indiavil karuppu panathai ozichitaat, India vallarasu naadaaga maariyathu" appadinnu gupdaa vitta, athai New Story, Original Idea nnu nambura levella thaan neenga irukeenga :poke: . athunaala unga thaleevaroda directors kastapada vendiyathillai
but kamal fans, engalai satisfy pannurathu kashtam. athaan enga thalaivar appadiyellaam panraar :wink:
u sure take MOVIES really serious huh.... 8-) good good....Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
u sure take MOVIES story,originality really serious huh.... 8-) good good....Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
a) Borrowing a base story doesn't qualify as a lift. Would every MPD qualify as a rip-off of Psycho?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
b) Of course, I've already said that The events, and context are adapted well. (just like the recent Falling down to Evano Oruvan), and it only supports my claim. The Indian clash of the classes milieu is not even a part of the original, and to add to it, there's a cyclic "crush" theory revolving around Shanmughi. The original has a boy friend theory to revolve the story, and it's the pivotal element there, and the nanny-daddy of AS against the one of Mrs.D are far from even sharing a similar line of thought over the narrative. It's only the very basic point that they share! By this theory, could we argue that Schindler's list was remade as Hotel rwanda, with both the films sharing the concept of a man belonging to an oppressing sect protecting the lives of the other (who are being oppressed)? Or, let's go to history, does Jhansi rani inspire Joan of arc, or the other way around. :) The term "remake" should be redefined, I say..
c) I never claimed Kamal alone was a reason! I liked Crazy's work - the sabha humour is too infectious. Even the small characters of Nasser, Nagesh, Manivannan and heck, even Heera (could you give me the exact "parallels" from Mrs.D - hey, you were the one who claims it's a remake) were written, and acted well. What I said was Kamal should do more remakes like that, because I liked the film a lot more than Mrs.Doubtfire. Of course, Kamal's performance is one of the reasons that I rate this as the gold-standard of (fe)male roles in Indian context, of course Dustin hoffman or the Curtis-Lemmon pair, to Williams have done with mainstream parameters of world cinema.
And any day a remake of Kamal is more creative than fan-thumping manipulative films made in name of entertaining, which in short I call as "creative retardness". :wink:
Just a doubt - At first, you say KSR is the reason for AS's brilliance, and then again, you fight over Kamal's involvment in the "copy" act?
Adadadada... thiripi thiripi yen line'eh copy panuringele.... vendam pa.... ORIGINAL'la yosinge..... :lol: no adaption,inspiration, copying all.... athe cinema kaarangalode irukathum 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
well, the 1st message i quoted claimed Kamal shouldnt be assosiated with any REMAKES etc etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
isnt Avvai Shanmugi still a remake?? and isnt that a KAMAL STARER movie?! come on... stop going on the detailed part.... just answer me in 1 line... YES or NO ....Quote:
Yeah, Kamal is way above remakes. He'll never do 'em.
crediting KSR is becoz if u DID like the movie, [knowing it had it indian flavour in it], it goes to him... isnt he the Director of the movie??
Get it?? :huh:
Sheeshh... u people r so sensitive.... Kamal is like God for u guys.... :frightened:
It's not a remake. VRMBBS is, and Sathya is, and Kuruthiupunal is. But as I clarified later, his best films are all original. I want more of that than remakes. (here's another UMT from Rudraveena)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Sorry, I don't react with instinct. I believe in facts, logic and reason. I couldn't go beyond the "details", and simply give an incredible reply..Quote:
.. stop going on the detailed part.... just answer me in 1 line... YES or NO ....
Of course, but where did I say otherwise. I've always believed in KSR's role. You didn't have to spell it out for me. To quote you back again, Get it?? :huh:Quote:
crediting KSR is becoz if u DID like the movie, [knowing it had it indian flavour in it], it goes to him... isnt he the Director of the movie??
Oh I'll put on a bigilist facade for now, and say I am guilty as charged. After all, It's Kamal haasan :wink: To stress on "like God", there are no gods! I'm against the devotion to any entity, even humans.Quote:
u people r so sensitive.... Kamal is like God for u guys.... :frightened:
Regarding sensitive, (as I'm a man who believe in conviction), Man is so much more sensitive to the contempt of others than to contempt for himself. That's all the more why I retaliate to your claims. O' course, I quoted this from Friedrich Nietzsche, oh the irony! :)
BTw, who are these other guys? I'm the only guy here. :)
ha ha ha nan unga lines copy pannuren but main matter modify pannuren. ethu copy ethu reply nnu diff theriyaathavannga nu prove panniteenga :poke:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Now please..let's get back to the topic, and um.. yeah, we were discussing about AS. If you're convinced of my aforementioned points on AS-Mrs.D, Then okay. Let's digress. :)
And since, you were talking of my original line which seems to bother. Yeah, Kamal is way above remakes. He'll never do 'em. I said He'll never - He will never. And it's not He has never. Touche. :) Moreover, I said this in context of Kamal-the-autuer. Didn't I say, He's a more creative genius than likes of SLB, and Kukunoor! SLB and kukunoor are directors, and were actually in riposte to Black and 3 Deewarein that Movie-cop had proposed. :)
hahahahaha.... Thilak..... i dunno what to say... really..... u guys r really funny :lol: Thilak,i said U GUYS becoz there were another 2 more superb sagalais answering me too :P.....
well, have it ur way..... im just too excited now.... ROBOT news is simply a dream come true... :D
Oh come on... You were quoting a post that I wrote specially countering the points that you raised, and nothing more. By the time I was posting, the others who were replying to you. How it would make me a part of the guys? ;) And, I was posting to the topic on question, in line of the discourse! ;) Now, don't tell me I'm funny, and I'm part of "the guys". :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
hhe hhe hhe :poke: we know how and what to answer, whom to answer ect. i said we becos 2 more sagalais are answering to you :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
:lol: ok ok.... ur def not a part of "the guys" and "funny man" .... ;) ... a very very factual man.... enna ok va? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Adhu! ;) Like Nalla of Anbe Sivam says, Pollachu pongO! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Athu! thatswhy i said, kamal fans know what to answer to whom, when and how. and that depends on what you ask. in that we , i needed to answer u funny way and tilak needed to ans seriously :wink: it all depends what u askQuote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
u dun get it do u...i mean Thilak is not categorized with U GUYS... :twisted: ... Haiyo...Haiyo [Vadivelu style] :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Thooda.... perusu sollitharu :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
hey thats what i said. becos u didnt discuss same stuff with all 3 rite? thatswhy i said we know how, to whom, and when to answer :poke:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
i am repeating this 3rd time, now who shud say Haiyo...Haiyo [Vadivelu style]? :lol: :lol:
romba mande kolimbipoocho? :P .... its ok.... guess its normal for U GUYS to think only in 1 angle.... paruva illai.... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
AhA. Vidunga pa... I just retaliated because it's been a routine stereotype in hub to address multiple rejections/arguments in common than to address them without getting a bit judgmental as a "Group". You know all that jazz of making a cliched Kamal fan group, cliched Raaja fan group, cliched Rahman fan group, cliched NT fan group.. It's about time we've made Hub a more progressive discussion portal.. That's all!
BTW, Dinesh, happy b'day thambi! (from your signature) ;)
Thilak... really.... i was just playing around.... no seriousness in my posts... it was fun playing around.... hehe.... if there is no small funny arguments like this, then we wont be able to be closer.... i do hope sakalavallavan sagalai dun take it serious too.... haha... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
thank u bro... but its not a nice birthday this year.... im out of teenage life.... :cry:
looking at ur avatar, i think unga mande thaan kolambi poi mottai agiteenga...i see this in all angle thatswhhy i say different reply for different questions. eventho question are from same person...relax man :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Oh Happy B'Day dinesh! :) :PQuote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Thank u... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
and about the mottai... even mottai is fashion now... thanks to Mottai Boss !! :lol:
mottai is always a fashion, see, the arguemetn goes like who says the last word! but i wonder why u change the avatar so fast :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
I don't if many have seen Karan Arjun (hindi film). This is an overview of the movie I found online:
Revenge and reincarnation are the leitmotifs of this entertaining movie.
With Karan Arjun, director Rakesh Roshan has put together a slick package of top stars, wrenching family drama, fast paced action and fine songs.
A Sholay-like movie, Karan Arjun is the story of Durga (Rakhee) and her two sons Karan (Salman Khan) and Arjun (Shahrukh Khan) who are killed by the cruel landlord Thakur Durjan Singh. Durga remains steadfast in her faith that her dead sons would return to avenge the grave injustice done to their family.
And return the sons do 20 years later in new incarnations as Ajay (Salman Khan) and Vijay (Shahrukh Khan) and take revenge on Durjan Singh and his evil family.
Vijay and Ajith would be awesome in the two roles with someone like Nadhiya as the mother. Of the current crop, Arya and Bharath would be cool. :wink: Trisha and Asin could do the female roles.
u know...i was about to tell the same... :shock: amazing movie....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kollywoodfan
:lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
happy birthday dinesh :D
mungaru male is made in telugu :omg:
sholey in tamizh :boo:
maybe kamal and rajini can do it :D
Thank u so much Wibha.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wibha
What about Ju-On [The Grudge] in tamil?? :lol:
:wink: Good idea!! I'm a huge fan of horror movies btw!Quote:
Originally Posted by dinesh2002
Um, really any actress could do Sarah Michelle Gellar's role... :roll:
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