Kamal - Creator vs Actor

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Originally Posted by irir123

Rajini as a person scores way over MGR

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Ethukku intha Comparision ellaam :huh:
MGR kooda appadiyae naerla irunthu avaroada ellaa activities um therinja maathiri ethukku sollanum? Is that really needed here.

Yaetho Iruntha varaikkum ethukaaga pannaaro innum Jananga Mansula appadiyae irukaar. What is the problem for others, i dont understand. :roll:

Avaru sethu poi 20 varushathukku maela aayiduchu, vittudunga. Thappu thapaa paesina avar image koodathaan seyyum, athayam avaraala anubavikka mudiyaathu, vittudungalaen..

Appaavi nnu oruthar sollitaar, avar entha context la sonnaaro.. atha pidichikittu ethukku thaevai illaama oruthar maela mannai vaari iraikanum. :huh:

No one is appaavi in this world of Politics and Cinema. No one can contineu like that even if they have that nature by default.

Please discuss only related to this topic and avoid discussing the personal behaviours of any actors(MGR, Rajini, Kamal or others). Let us maintain the human and hub basics.

Thanks..

TM :notworthy:

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Hmmm... Konja kaalaamaaga thaan itha pathiyum naan yosichikittu irukaen after he dumped IR in Marmayogi...

Enna panrathu Marmayogi episode ellathayume sandhega kankondu paarka vaikuthu ippa

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He even dumped IR for his Heyram, but IR rescued him from the mess. I think the real issue is Kamal wants to reach out to the hindi audience. So he dumps IR for any big budgeted multi-lingual projects involving hindi in particular, Heyram, Alavandaan, and now Dasavatharam. MX is the only exception but due to its low budget he roped in IR. I see Kamal as a opportunist now like any other industry person, nothing wrong in it. But he will not be open to admit it. I think IR is a veguli in Kamal's case :lol:

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Strongly Disagree.

First he went to IR for the Movie. IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie.. So KH went to L.Krishnamoorthy. After that he requested IR to do the Music for the Movie.

I still remember reading a NI Magazine that time, ARR was
asked by a North India Magazine whether he accepts if Kamal asked ARR to do music for Heyram, he told that he had a interest.Nevertheless kamal went to AR.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

As RK himself explained said 'Natpu veru business veru'. Kamalukku ithu porunthathunnu nenaikiraen

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i wud still love to see, rajini going with his nanbar IR atleast once for his movies...........ARR after giving 3 out of 4 superhit albums to rajini doesent list in his preffered list of MDs and is just roped in for business, then i must say, ARR must have been very arrogant towards rajini.........

with kamal and his fans, we atleast r sure that they dont like us but with rajini and his fans its somewhat multi-layered and complex to read them.......... :P

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Not all the kamal Fans. :D.

If ARR is part of the movie, i just dont care about heroes Except My Favorites.

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

No one is appaavi in this world of Politics and Cinema. No one can contineu like that even if they have that nature by default.

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:yes: and It's a very clear and obvious thing. Any person with a 'minimum' level of intelligence and common sense would understand it well.

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Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Hmmm... Konja kaalaamaaga thaan itha pathiyum naan yosichikittu irukaen after he dumped IR in Marmayogi...

Enna panrathu Marmayogi episode ellathayume sandhega kankondu paarka vaikuthu ippa

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He even dumped IR for his Heyram, but IR rescued him from the mess. I think the real issue is Kamal wants to reach out to the hindi audience. So he dumps IR for any big budgeted multi-lingual projects involving hindi in particular, Heyram, Alavandaan, and now Dasavatharam. MX is the only exception but due to its low budget he roped in IR. I see Kamal as a opportunist now like any other industry person, nothing wrong in it. But he will not be open to admit it. I think IR is a veguli in Kamal's case :lol:

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Strongly Disagree.

First he went to IR for the Movie. IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie.. So KH went to L.Krishnamoorthy. After that he requested IR to do the Music for the Movie.

I still remember reading a NI Magazine that time, ARR was
asked by a North India Magazine whether he accepts if Kamal asked ARR to do music for Heyram, he told that he had a interest.Nevertheless kamal went to AR.

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I believe this, because the only politician who liked by IR is Gandhi.

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Originally Posted by irir123

Rajini as a person scores way over MGR

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LOL. EVEN IF he had thought of "market value" up north. L.Subramaniam is hardly the man for it. :lol: :banghead: at few stereotypical posts/agenda since ARR has been picked for MY. :lol: Hey! ram is a film where he didn't compromise much, and thats why he was left in deep abyss after its commercial failure. The so-called connoisseurs(fans of "the creator") can't waste 50 quids in theater, but would rather get a quality-print DVD. I know such kinds, thus I remark. But the same kind would watch VV, etc. Thats why you would never see Kamal doing arthouse cinemas just yet. Kamal the creator would rather do quality mainstream films and milk your pockets, using "the actor" in him. Thus I'd not blame for being "opportunistic" at all. It's true that he's an addict of applause, but that shouldn't be related to composers. He goes for salable composer for high-budget films, that's bloody understandable.

All you slow folks out there need to listen to my man right here! :yes:

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

We all know that Kamal the actor makes the millions that Kamal the creator uses for his creations. Now there are many who want Kamal the actor do more work, more like Mohanlal or someone else. Now such people will never understand that Kamal the creator, the person who has educated himself, literally in everything related to cinema is the person who can complete the kamal we know. Complete his creativity. The days of Kamal the puppet is nearing the end and it is time for the puppeteer to rise. However like any artist who is an addict of the applause, Kamal the actor is a difficult entity to shed and we can only hope for a peaceful coexistence that is mutually beneficial,

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

Yes, oflate since he lost his ground there many years before. Does that mean he went to IR to resuce him ? yaar yaarai rescue pannurathu

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IR didn't sign for HR but Kamal approached him after two songs were shot and half of the movie was over. IR composed two songs for the already shot songs. I don't think any other composer would do that. I meant IR rescued him from that mess and certainly not bringing back Kamal's hindi market POV.

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

I couldn't imagine IR for a commercial film like 10A. Who knows, we might have got a mumbai xpress again.

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I agree with you. IR is not a fit for a commercial movie esp. if hindi is involved.

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Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan

Strongly Disagree.

First he went to IR for the Movie. IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie.. So KH went to L.Krishnamoorthy. After that he requested IR to do the Music for the Movie.

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I am not sure Kamal had indeed gone to IR first for HR. These were all speculations.

Avvai Shanmugi's hindi version (was it by his home production?) also done by some hindi composer if I am not wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

believe this, because the only politician who liked by IR is Gandhi.

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I think IR likes MK, Kamarajar (he has done the movie Kamarajar for a low fee or free of cost) and there will be others too...

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

believe this, because the only politician who liked by IR is Gandhi.

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I think IR likes MK, Kamarajar (he has done the movie Kamarajar for a low fee or free of cost) and there will be others too...

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may be but I guess Gandhi will be on top. I remember one of his best interviews (in kumudam or AV), he opened him, after Ramana maharishi he like Gandhi.

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

believe this, because the only politician who liked by IR is Gandhi.

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I think IR likes MK, Kamarajar (he has done the movie Kamarajar for a low fee or free of cost) and there will be others too...

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may be but I guess Gandhi will be on top. I remember one of his best interviews (in kumudam or AV), he opened him, after Ramana maharishi he like Gandhi.

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You said the only politician in your post, that is why I responded :D

There is no reason why IR doesn't like Ghandi ,who is liked by most of us ..Ithellam oru matter-a ? :huh:

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Originally Posted by joe

There is no reason why IR doesn't like Ghandi ,who is liked by most of us ..Ithellam oru matter-a ? :huh:

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:yes: idhula ivangelLAm 'build up' patthi pEsuRathuthAn vEdikkai :wink: :lol:

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Originally Posted by Roshan

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Originally Posted by joe

There is no reason why IR doesn't like Ghandi ,who is liked by most of us ..Ithellam oru matter-a ? :huh:

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:yes: idhula ivangelLAm 'build up' patthi pEsuRathuthAn vEdikkai :wink: :lol:

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yaaraiyo marimugama illa neradiya attack pannura maathiri irukkuthu :)

Actually why I wrote this because I want to add more support to the statement made by Srimannarayanan that is "IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie..:"

Ippo puriyutha :idea:

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

You said the only politician in your post, that is why I responded :D

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OK :)

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie

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You actually put IR in bad light as if IR being ignorant ,considering HeyRam is Anti Ghandi ,in which Ghandi's own grandson did a role ..You mean Ghandi's grandson is ignorant ? :huh:

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Originally Posted by joe

There is no reason why IR doesn't like Ghandi ,who is liked by most of us ..Ithellam oru matter-a ? :huh:

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appadiye pronounce panni paarunga.....neenga England-la irunthu neradiya pesura maathiriye irukku :D (neenga "peter" illainnum theriyum)

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Originally Posted by joe

You actually put IR in bad light as if IR being ignorant ,considering HeyRam is Anti Ghandi ,in which Ghandi's own grandson did a role ..You mean Ghandi's grandson is ignorant ? :huh:

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This was a rumour popped up in the media that IR refused to do it because of its subject.

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

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Originally Posted by joe

You actually put IR in bad light as if IR being ignorant ,considering HeyRam is Anti Ghandi ,in which Ghandi's own grandson did a role ..You mean Ghandi's grandson is ignorant ? :huh:

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This was a rumour popped up in the media that IR refused to do it because of its subject.

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That is why i say that even IR fans putting IR in bad light by beleiving these kind of rumours.

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Srimannarayanan wrote:
Strongly Disagree.

First he went to IR for the Movie. IR Refused the Movie due to Some Anti Gandhi things in the movie.. So KH went to L.Krishnamoorthy. After that he requested IR to do the Music for the Movie.

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:( actually hey ram talk about gandhism in serious manner... may b the execution of the screenplay makes look like anti-gandhi...IR sir have bagged best background music award from hindi for that year, if i not mistaken... kamal sir explorer his talent and other people talent who working with him... i would say there dependency between kamal and IR sir... not make use each of other... in other word its team work :) ....

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

We all know that Kamal the actor makes the millions that Kamal the creator uses for his creations.....

....The days of Kamal the puppet is nearing the end and it is time for the puppeteer to rise.

However like any artist who is an addict of the applause, Kamal the actor is a difficult entity to shed and we can only hope for a peaceful coexistence that is mutually beneficial,

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Hmmm... contrived notion! no Creator/Director AFAIK are making themselves act, in order to earn millions for making movies (MR, BR, KB, Mahendran :huh: ).And those who are acting like Cheran, Ameer, SundarC etc., are not acting because they want to earn money and invest it into making movies! they are acting because they like it. :)

....Nearing the end is what Iam listening from late 80's and its not happening :x

He had always claimed that he wanted to be a director and KB was the one who pushed him towards acting. Does he still thinks he hasnt excelled beyond 'Nagesh'?
If NO Why not now to pursue his dreams? 'Heroism' is his opium. Its just a wish from a minority crowd to come out of the drug infused state :)
If YES Its better he continue acting :wink:

addict for Applause - Yes,
Difficult to shed - Yes,
Peaceful Coexistense - Nope! We can look at his movies where in both the actor and the creator are at conflict and the 'Hero' is always killing the creator.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

As RK himself explained said 'Natpu veru business veru'. Kamalukku ithu porunthathunnu nenaikiraen

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i wud still love to see, rajini going with his nanbar IR atleast once for his movies...........ARR after giving 3 out of 4 superhit albums to rajini doesent list in his preffered list of MDs and is just roped in for business, then i must say, ARR must have been very arrogant towards rajini.........

with kamal and his fans, we atleast r sure that they dont like us but with rajini and his fans its somewhat multi-layered and complex to read them.......... :P

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from what I have heard from known sources, both IR and Rajini share excellent rapport even now, though they hav not done movies together for a looong time - even those reasons had nothing to do with Rajini, they were to do with the producers

there is no way, Rajini-ARR issue is an ego-related thing - even KH-ARR issue during Indian was a media-hyped thing than real - or else they wudnt hav worked together in Tenali, etc.

its a catch-22 situation here for both stars - if KH and RK simply stuck to IR ONLY, the industry grapevine wud perhaps be tat 'both the stars dont encourage other MDs etc etc' - didnt KH work with different composers from Deva to Bharadwaj ? and it wasnt all abt business only either - though cant figure out the reason

by all means, KH and IR are still gr8, thick friends who share a camarederie like no other artist pair does in the industry - this I know from inside sources

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Originally Posted by MADDY

with kamal and his fans, we atleast r sure that they dont like us but with rajini and his fans its somewhat multi-layered and complex to read them.......... :P

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there is world beyond hub maddy...

someone mentioned regarding ego between kamal and arr...kamal went for arr in dasa...arr dint do it giving time reasons

can we say arr is egoistic?because he finish it soon for maniratnam...

just like arr and maniratnam share special work ethics...ir and kamal share special work ethics...could u imagine ir doing music for a film where songs are already composed and picturized?

it depends upon the comfortableness the people share..

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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi

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Originally Posted by MADDY

with kamal and his fans, we atleast r sure that they dont like us but with rajini and his fans its somewhat multi-layered and complex to read them.......... :P

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there is world beyond hub maddy...

someone mentioned regarding ego between kamal and arr...kamal went for arr in dasa...arr dint do it giving time reasons

can we say arr is egoistic?because he finish it soon for maniratnam...

just like arr and maniratnam share special work ethics...ir and kamal share special work ethics...could u imagine ir doing music for a film where songs are already composed and picturized?

it depends upon the comfortableness the people share..

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i'm not complaining, am i??? :D .....

regarding working with small people and giving hits...kamal haasan has worked with balumahendra,shanthana barathi,pc sriram,bharathan in 90s who was not very strong in box office fort and gave hits

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regarding the accusation that kamal "kalati vitufied "rajni for avoiding rajni to share the screen

kamal wouldnt have persuaded rajni to continue acting in films when rajni was abt to leave the cinefield(which was said by rajni) if he thought that way

http://www.rediff.com/movies/2008/may/26devi.htm

music director Devisri Prasad on Kamal and DASA!

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

We all know that Kamal the actor makes the millions that Kamal the creator uses for his creations.....

....The days of Kamal the puppet is nearing the end and it is time for the puppeteer to rise.

However like any artist who is an addict of the applause, Kamal the actor is a difficult entity to shed and we can only hope for a peaceful coexistence that is mutually beneficial,

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Hmmm... contrived notion! no Creator/Director AFAIK are making themselves act, in order to earn millions for making movies (MR, BR, KB, Mahendran :huh: ).And those who are acting like Cheran, Ameer, SundarC etc., are not acting because they want to earn money and invest it into making movies! they are acting because they like it. :)

....Nearing the end is what Iam listening from late 80's and its not happening :x

He had always claimed that he wanted to be a director and KB was the one who pushed him towards acting. Does he still thinks he hasnt excelled beyond 'Nagesh'?
If NO Why not now to pursue his dreams? 'Heroism' is his opium. Its just a wish from a minority crowd to come out of the drug infused state :)
If YES Its better he continue acting :wink:

addict for Applause - Yes,
Difficult to shed - Yes,
Peaceful Coexistense - Nope! We can look at his movies where in both the actor and the creator are at conflict and the 'Hero' is always killing the creator.

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I dont agree with yor take on Kamal the creator sidelined by Kamal the actor. In movies like Dasa, VV, VRMBBS the USP, selling factor is Kamal the actor - the star. In such movies inspte of Kamal's creative contribution notwithstanding, projection of Kamal the actor is very necessary.

In movies like Hey Raam, Anbe Sivam, Kurudhippunal, Virumaandi etc., the creator has reigned supreme. If not Nasser in Kurudhippunal, Pasupathi in Virumaandi, Maddy (no our hub maddy) etc., would have got half written roles playing as sidekicks instead of playing characters who eclipsed kamal in many sequences in the respective movies. Think about it.
Even in Hey Raam, Kamal had to do a very unpopular, indecisive role that had no punch lines, while Shahrukh khan and Atul Kulkarni had the best of lines (most applauded lines). I know many kamal fans who lamented that the main role should have been done by someone else as the side characters had more clarity and punch in Hey Raam. I see it as an instance of Kamal the creator totally suppressing Kamal the actor. I see no reason to believe and expect more Kamal the creator and if we go by the buzz around MY, Kamal the creator may well be set to take over competely in the coming years.
As far as comparing Kamal and Rajini in terms of experimentation/risk taking etc., Rajini by his own admission and acceptance is a brand. Brand decisions have superficial artistic considerations and usually more experieced "packagers" are roped in. So expecting Rajini to call sheets to a talented , yet commercially "offbeat" directors is something that is not going to happen - atleast till the time Rajini is Super star. The moment the cape of Superstar is handed over to someone else, we can hope some artistic work from him( or politics or sanyas). Bigger problem is the fact that the next generation of actors are not pushing Rajini or Kamal hard enough. Vikram is getting a tad too old to push kamal and regain the artsy actor title and Vijay/Ajith are clueless as to how to come out of Rajini's shadows.
And this delays Rajini and Kamal's future decisions further. The best hope is death to the star system and throwback to K.B. Barathiraaja era where directors call the shots. Till that time you wil see people frying Rajini and Kamal as they have done in this hub for the past 5 years.

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Originally Posted by irir123

http://www.rediff.com/movies/2008/may/26devi.htm

music director Devisri Prasad on Kamal and DASA!

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Why digression :P Stick to the topic :wink:

jaiganes: well said! why the heck dont we have a galaxy of real actors like Ed Norton, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Morgan Freeman, Matt Damon and tons of others elsewhere and have just two BIG stars whose stardom completely overshadows everything else in the industry ? why is it that the others shamelessly try to ape them, instead of creating their own niches ? I think the main reason for this is the fact that genuinely talented people are not entering the field, and only those with 'connections' in the field enter the same

@rajasaranam

if kamal had tried to prove he was biggest hero here

he wouldnt have answered to the a question

"did u have the anger in change of kamal-rajni to rajni-kamal"

and his answer was "irukaadha pinna"

he has no egos whatsoever

chumma penatha koodadhu

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

I dont agree with yor take on Kamal the creator sidelined by Kamal the actor. In movies like Dasa, VV, VRMBBS the USP, selling factor is Kamal the actor - the star. In such movies inspte of Kamal's creative contribution notwithstanding, projection of Kamal the actor is very necessary.

In movies like Hey Raam, Anbe Sivam, Kurudhippunal, Virumaandi etc., the creator has reigned supreme. If not Nasser in Kurudhippunal, Pasupathi in Virumaandi, Maddy (no our hub maddy) etc., would have got half written roles playing as sidekicks instead of playing characters who eclipsed kamal in many sequences in the respective movies. Think about it.
Even in Hey Raam, Kamal had to do a very unpopular, indecisive role that had no punch lines, while Shahrukh khan and Atul Kulkarni had the best of lines (most applauded lines). I know many kamal fans who lamented that the main role should have been done by someone else as the side characters had more clarity and punch in Hey Raam. I see it as an instance of Kamal the creator totally suppressing Kamal the actor. I see no reason to believe and expect more Kamal the creator and if we go by the buzz around MY, Kamal the creator may well be set to take over competely in the coming years.

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dasa - lets not Discuss until we see the movie
VV - Was a GM movie end to end
VRMBBS - Yes the USP was kamal the Hero and i could very well understand this in comparison to MBMBBS as how Prabhu's role for Arshad Warsi was butchered up in Tamil

Heyram - i cant agree on this as i cud see kamal covering frame to frame in the movie with his own inconsistencies ( Sakethram though) with his heroic fight/sex/kissing sequences . It was a movie on Sakethram and others were just bafoons/puppets thrown in here and there to amuse the viewers. yes the buffons are interesting at times and do have good 'Punch Lines' (most applauded lines) still the ringmaster takes care to tell who is the master. ( Ask any fan of SRK and you will get a different answer from yours)

Anbesivam - Maddy was there Yes! but the Hero is always kamal, who tries to ridicule ARS at every given moment and make him realise the truth. Its the story of Nallasivam right; and hence the sniffing over the body of kiran, Fighting against the goons when all other Saga's are made mere bafoons who play their Thaarai, Thappattai to usupethify their HERO. And its not the communist ideologies that win at last, its the sacrifice of the 'Nallasivam' which gets the mass movement their goal of 910 (or is it 912?).

kurudhippunal - You need to watch the original 'Drokal' by Govind Nihalani'. You will undestand how two antagonists from the same society who are sincere to their ideals are convereted to a Hero and a Villain ( Porukkikkum Poarallikkum pirantha kalla Kuzhanthai) There were no such interpretations in Drokal. ( I read somewhere GN appreciated kamal of making a better movie than his. hmmm... Gone are the days of young angry red eyed man who made a tamas )

Virumaandi - Better not said for the gory bloodbath and half an hour heroic struggle doing all sorts of sports running, climbing, jumping... ( Aptly Supported by Raaja's - viru virumaandi virumaandi :) ) and finally killing the villain with a poke into the 'thondai kuzhi'.

There stands kamal with his inconsistencies. A permanent conflict between the Creator and the Actor. Has he been only the Creator the need to glorify his heroes would have been kept aside and the narration will take the lead. ( for instance i dont know the Hero/villain of Rashoman, while its clear in Virumaandi ) But kamal being also an actor, though coming up with excellent plots/ scripts goofs up in the screenplay in order to pave way for his heroisms.

I rest my case as i've spoken about this in large at many instances in the same hub and nobody, Yes Nobody seems to get what Iam trying to tell. :evil: May be a direct Discussion would help to resolve this issue eitherway :P

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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi

he has no egos whatsoever

chumma penatha koodadhu

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I dont agree.

thanks for the Advice 8-)

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juz thought of informing kamal fans.. from today.. in Dinathanthi kamal's life story is being written.. njoy ppl.. :D
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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Heyram - i cant agree on this as i cud see kamal covering frame to frame in the movie with his own inconsistencies ( Sakethram though) with his heroic fight/sex/kissing sequences . It was a movie on Sakethram and others were just bafoons/puppets thrown in here and there to amuse the viewers. yes the buffons are interesting at times and do have good 'Punch Lines' (most applauded lines) still the ringmaster takes care to tell who is the master. ( Ask any fan of SRK and you will get a different answer from yours)

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RS,
Hey Ram is a first person narrative. It is not a movie about Mahatma Gandhi. Neither it is a movie about the infamous 1946 Calcutta riots nor the Indo-Pak partition. The movie is just about one Saket Ram and takes you on a journey through the eyes & perspective of it's central character during one of the most turbulent times of modern Indian history! It is one of those movies, where Kamal - the creator is "on par" with Kamal - the actor!

Thus Blaming Kamal for appearing frame-by-frame of a 200 min long movie thus sidelining other key characters like Mahatma Gandhi & Sriram Abhenykar is not a fair criticism.

whatever Kamal has done in terms of his 'creations' are the best anyone of his cult 'hero' status could come up with in the Indian cinema setup! why ? because, if he were to make a movie, keeping his persona completely aside, the movie is a surefire failure! Hey Ram was the closest he could come to doing that - he is not just some superhero - he feels fear, he is confused/puzzled, he has weaknesses, he makes mistakes and even at the end, he does NOT fully realize the enormity of his decision, but gets overwhelmed by not only Gandhi's personality, but also by the circumstances when one N.Godse does the job which he was chosen to! there could not have been a more brilliant ending to an amazing movie

if Kamal were to make movies like those of Mrinal Sen, or, an Adoor, he should have done those right from the beginning of his career - therefore, he has tread the line between commercial and arthouse cinema very well indeed!