Discussions on R.Madhavan Pt 4

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Aye, aye. What he did in that film was pure acting as per the script, as per the direction. Why is there a need for charisma.

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See replacing Rajini in thambikku endha ooru with anyother actor of that time and u will understand the need of charisma.

Thunithuvakkura scene :- Rajini style'ly sits on chair and puts his leg over thuni-thuvakkura stone and washes(flipping the cloth may be a better word) the cloth. Charisma'vukku best example.

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Sarna's Rajini comparison was off-mark, what Rajini did there was also pure performance. Don't reduce Rajini to just a charismatic actor, at that time he was a genuine talent. One of the best in the industry. True NT sisyan.

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i vehemently disagree. For example, after the song where a girl comes to Kamal to get autograph. Rajini comes in between and stands style'ly and gives a stylish look at girl... chance'E illa :rotfl: those scenes cannot be written, cannot be acted... adhellaa, thaanaa varanum ... only rajini fossifle :bow: :bow:

like that there are few more scenes in ninaiththaale inikkum

Charisma-vukkum Talent-ukkum definition kodukkanumpola irukku. SR in Englishkaran: Ungalukku velakkam solliyee oonjupoyiduvenpola irukku....

Would love to know what is your definition of charisma and talent, Sarna.


*good, good, thread innum vegama odattum.....mwahahahaha

Most of this style seemed somewhat organic to the character, is what Grouch is talking about. He played the womanizer roles with certain gestures and forced charisma that fit the type. Obviously the style/gestures were derived from NT, and NT fans (seasoned fans like Groucho and a late bloomer like myself) will obviously treat that with affinity (And the fact NT also inspired Kamal speaks volumes ! ). But Rajini did go radically towards scene-chewing style/gestures and slowly established his star power. There was no self-effacement in his later roles, but in the earlier roles like NI, it felt in place..

Well put, Thilak. But am not sure what you meant by "forced charisma". How do you exude charisma? It is not something you can produce, a rabbit-outta-hat thing. It comes with talent. A politician with great orating skills have charisma, as would all those swamiji's. And its subjective. Vijay-vukku charisma irukkunu sollurangga, I don't see it. Likewise, many might disagree if I say Eastwood has charisma even at this age. What the cow is charisma? Who is charisma? And why did Randhir gave one of his daughter that name. Shouldn't that be forced charisma? Enakku oniyum puriyala...thank god it's friday...innikki Scottish beverage-then. :P

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Well put, Thilak. But am not sure what you meant by "forced charisma". How do you exude charisma? It is not something you can produce, a rabbit-outta-hat thing. It comes with talent. A politician with great orating skills have charisma, as would all those swamiji's. And its subjective. Vijay-vukku charisma irukkunu sollurangga, I don't see it. Likewise, many might disagree if I say Eastwood has charisma even at this age. What the cow is charisma? Who is charisma? And why did Randhir gave one of his daughter that name. Shouldn't that be forced charisma? Enakku oniyum puriyala...thank god it's friday...innikki Scottish beverage-then. :P

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Sorry, I didn't mean to undermine Rajini by 'forced'. I'm just saying it's imbuing charisma by choice. I think Rajini exudes no charisma in certain roles, there's a self-effacing quality about his work in 6 to 60, EKK, etc..

I actually don't see Vijay's charisma at all. I see some blatant lifting from Rajini, esp. in his pose of slowly-emerging smile at reduced frame-rate.

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

Sorry, I didn't mean to undermine Rajini by 'forced'. I'm just saying it's imbuing charisma by choice. I think Rajini exudes no charisma in certain roles, there's a self-effacing quality about his work in 6 to 60, EKK, etc..

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Okay, got it. Agree with you on on self-effacing quality he displayed on those films. So, charisma falls under talent/skill category? Cool.

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Originally Posted by groucho070

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

Sorry, I didn't mean to undermine Rajini by 'forced'. I'm just saying it's imbuing charisma by choice. I think Rajini exudes no charisma in certain roles, there's a self-effacing quality about his work in 6 to 60, EKK, etc..

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Okay, got it. Agree with you on on self-effacing quality he displayed on those films. So, charisma falls under talent/skill category? Cool.

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Well, if he got it, he got it. I think stars do have redeeming features that would fit to 'charisma' suggesting features that appeals to his/her fans. An actor, otoh, doesn't necessarily have to.

Strangely I find it hard to reduce MGR's charisma to words but I still feel his "presence" (and I react positively to his 'style' - again not reducible to language how his gestures * works *), I'm sure this is the case of most Vadhiyar fans. So I'm equally sympathetic to fans of some of the contemporary heroes.

I can relate to your response to MGR. That "charisma" is beyond his talent. Intha X-factor, je ne sais quoi-nu solluvanggale?

Exactement !

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Would love to know what is your definition of charisma and talent, Sarna.

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Rajini's acting in Mullum malarum is more of charismatic acting. Alexpandian's(Moondru mugam), motta-boss's, vettayan's acting is purely charismatic acting.

Rajini's acting in Thalapathy is more of talented acting.

In Dheivamagan, the younger sivaji(running hotel)'s acting is more of charismatic acting and the elder sivaji(marks in face)'s acting is more of talented acting.

and I would love to know what is your definition of charisma and talent, groucho ?

Note: charismatic acting means charisma+acting.... talented acting means talent+acting. Only acting means, i can point Vijayan of Udhiripookkal where neither charisma nor talent exists.

You got to reread my exchanges with Kid_Glove. It's there. I file charisma under talent/skill in most cases, with exception of those like MGR.

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Originally Posted by groucho070

You got to reread my exchanges with Kid_Glove. It's there. I file charisma under talent/skill in most cases,

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ok :)

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Originally Posted by groucho070

with exception of those like MGR.

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MGR for me is a pure 100% agmark CHARISMATIC ACTOR 8-)

azhagendra sollukku muruga 8-) charisma endra sollukku MGR 8-)

Grouch/Sarna/Plum,

Thats about the only scene of Maddy I have seen in that film. (random Sun TV clip I think). I did not even know which film was that from. He was showing a myriad of expressions in that scene and I was so amazed that I could not even follow the dialogues. Took me by shock in fact. I was not expecting such an effort for an ordinary film (rendu or something) I thought the critics would dismiss it as overacting :oops:

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

I prefer that Madhavan's persona doesn't exert a singular charisma that would establish a star status, but treats it as separate character to be a 'pure actor'. That's why I feel he's more of a N'Shah or Puri or Irrfan than a mainstream star-actor. Sooner my fellow Maddy fansrealize this the better !

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While I understand the spirit of the comment, I must say that Maddy is not remotely in the same class as the other 3 in the chosen mode of comparison.

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Originally Posted by groucho070

SR in Englishkaran: Ungalukku velakkam solliyee oonjupoyiduvenpola irukku....

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Grouch.. often u r quoting SR.. :lol:

looks like he does one good film (supposed to be) with Karan ... "irandu mugam" < nEram kedacha andha thread'ai thoosi thatti vekkirEn>

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And why did Randhir gave one of his daughter that name. Shouldn't that be forced charisma

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:rotfl: - missed this hidden gem from grouch!

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

I actually don't see Vijay's charisma at all. I see some blatant lifting from Rajini, esp. in his pose of slowly-emerging smile at reduced frame-rate.

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Amen to that, kid!

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Originally Posted by Nerd

Grouch/Sarna/Plum,

Thats about the only scene of Maddy I have seen in that film. (random Sun TV clip I think). I did not even know which film was that from. He was showing a myriad of expressions in that scene and I was so amazed that I could not even follow the dialogues. Took me by shock in fact. I was not expecting such an effort for an ordinary film (rendu or something) I thought the critics would dismiss it as overacting :oops:

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It depends on the actor in discussion :P

ellam fan biasing panra vElai :wink:

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Originally Posted by Sarna

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Would love to know what is your definition of charisma and talent, Sarna.

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Rajini's acting in Mullum malarum is more of charismatic acting. Alexpandian's(Moondru mugam), motta-boss's, vettayan's acting is purely charismatic acting.

Rajini's acting in Thalapathy is more of talented acting.

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IMO Rajni in thalapathi was more charismatic than any other movies

aah oo'na karisma kapoor'ai kondu vandhurranga...

orutharukku pidicha karisma.. illaina karisma illai...

since Vijay's name was discussed... I wud say, their fans <both male & female> say him as the most charismatic actor ..

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Originally Posted by HonestRaj

orutharukku pidicha karisma.. illaina karisma illai...

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How many non-vijay fans will say that? That ratio >>> non-MGR/non-Rajini fans call him as a charismatic actor.

chummA ellaamE onnu dhaan-nu solla vENdiyadhu :banghead:

I want to observe one general thing - nothing in particular against anyone in particular.
It has become a fashion to nail someone on something and say "When you talk about X, you say this, but same thing about Y, then you say that - isnt that contradicting?"

What people forget is there is something called degree.

For Kamal fans, Kamal is a great actor
For Vaiyapuri fans, Vaiyapuri is a great actor.
As a truly objective person, you got to agree with that. But this doesnt mean that
Kamal=Vaiyapuri.

This is an extreme example ofcourse but you could replace Vaiyapuri with someone many times better than Vaiyapuri and the degree of separation will still hold.

So, this "For X fans, X has Attribute A, for Y fans, Y has Attribute A" thingy cannot be an universal bail-out. There are some things beyond objectivity and neutrality.

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Originally Posted by Plum

So, this "For X fans, X has Attribute A, for Y fans, Y has Attribute A" thingy cannot be an universal bail-out. There are some things beyond objectivity and neutrality.

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AdhE!

ada.. nan onnum Rajini, MGR ivangala paththi edhuvum sollalai < kosuru thagaval: RK & MGR ivangalai sama aLavil rasichavan nan >... reasonable fan base irukkura Vijay'ai paththi post pannadhukku sonnEn...

Vijay mEla dhideer paasam ellam illai..

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Originally Posted by HonestRaj

Vijay mEla dhideer paasam ellam illai..

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ohhh...appo eppavume irundhirukku....nadichitu irundhurukeenga

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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi

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Originally Posted by HonestRaj

Vijay mEla dhideer paasam ellam illai..

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ohhh...appo eppavume irundhirukku....nadichitu irundhurukeenga

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ada... idhu verayya .. <ini thannilai viLakkam ellam kidaiyadhu - VTV Babu antony than ennoda examle>
Vettaikaran parthen, ASAL parthen.. <theater'la> SURA parkkalainga..

PS: nadikkave theriyadha nadigarai rasikkiravan.. nan eppadi nadippen.. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Nerd

Grouch/Sarna/Plum,

Thats about the only scene of Maddy I have seen in that film. (random Sun TV clip I think). I did not even know which film was that from. He was showing a myriad of expressions in that scene and I was so amazed that I could not even follow the dialogues. Took me by shock in fact. I was not expecting such an effort for an ordinary film (rendu or something) I thought the critics would dismiss it as overacting :oops:

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Actually the situation comes like this :- Madhavan's aim is to become a MD of a big company and he works as a right-hand of Abbas(multi-millioner owning few big companies & a womaniser). Then Madhavan sees heroine and falls love on her.
Abbas too sees the heroine and asks Madhavan to do maamaa job and promises Madhavan that he makes Madhavan as MD of one of his company.
So Madhavan does maamaa job and tries to trap heroine in Abbas valai.... at one stage he got vexed and yells in front of mirror imagining the image in mirror as his manasatchi.
Madhavan does a excellent acting there :bow: :bow:

idhu indhila Saarug paNnadhu dhAnE?

digression

on Vijay's karisma - my 4 yr old insists on Vijay songs on TV / youtube, after a 2 month trip to TN.

So, Vijay has some pied-piper thingy (like MGR / Rajini)

end-digression

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Originally Posted by Plum

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

I prefer that Madhavan's persona doesn't exert a singular charisma that would establish a star status, but treats it as separate character to be a 'pure actor'. That's why I feel he's more of a N'Shah or Puri or Irrfan than a mainstream star-actor. Sooner my fellow Maddy fansrealize this the better !

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While I understand the spirit of the comment, I must say that Maddy is not remotely in the same class as the other 3 in the chosen mode of comparison.

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Yeah, but you get the point. I must say Madhavan does certain mainstream roles better, obviously...

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Originally Posted by HonestRaj

Grouch.. often u r quoting SR.. :lol:

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Love to, at least it gets your attention.

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Originally Posted by HonestRaj

looks like he does one good film (supposed to be) with Karan ... "irandu mugam" < nEram kedacha andha thread'ai thoosi thatti vekkirEn>

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Please do. As usual, no expectation.

hey guys..wat is this film called"aragadam"...posters all over cheenai with madhavan in the lead..it say vijay tv production,audio releasing today :huh:

I saw this too, Raghavendran. There was some actress next to him.

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

I saw this too, Raghavendran. There was some actress next to him.

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ya..she is mallika kapoor..heroine of arjun film "vaadiyar"..but is this a film?,serial?,game show?,or a documentry?...idhile AUDIO RELEASE SOON enge vandhuchu? :roll:

yarukkavudhu therindhaal.. inge post seyummmaru thazhmayudan kettukollapadiguradhu :D

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Originally Posted by raghavendran

yarukkavudhu therindhaal.. inge post seyummmaru thazhmayudan kettukollapadiguradhu :D

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raghav, searched google for aragadam and found this :redjump: :bluejump:

see the 3rd result :thumbsup:

"Oragadam" posters are not a movie poster...they are from a campaign I did for a Construction company called Arun Exello. I love the look.

- Tweet by Madhavan

grouch, poll pOdaliyA?

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Originally Posted by VJerry

"Oragadam" posters are not a movie poster...they are from a campaign I did for a Construction company called Arun Exello. I love the look.

- Tweet by Madhavan

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oh..gud..but adhu enne audio release today :roll: