i was only talking about a wall to a different world... literally the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
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i was only talking about a wall to a different world... literally the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
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the 2nd photo remembering me 'Dhanush nd andrea photostills' which was released sum yrs before under the same name IU
don remember those dhanush pics..
pls share if u can...
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Originally Posted by SoftSword
http://www.dhanushfans.com/wp-conten...-releasee1.jpg
http://reviews.in.88db.com/images/ma...e-stills-2.jpg
Good ones T_R...
T_R :thumbsup:
thanks man..Quote:
Originally Posted by Thala_rasigan
watta miss..
aushka... XENA mathiri irruku...Quote:
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sum more..
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arya nd dhanush / anushka nd andrea seems as doctors, both the stories r same...after dropped tat movie (above photos) wit dhanush, selva did 'Mayakkam enna' wit dhanush.... Mayakka ena s which in turn of 'Ithu maalai nerathu mayakkam' movie which was supposed to be acted by karthi/dhanush along wit sandhya/andrea...later both r dropped by richa as well as karhti by dhanush...
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//Eng dig...
frustrated mediocre director talk. I am yet to see this guy give a decent entertainer in recent times. If he has directed half as good as he talks I am sure this movie will do good.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Not sure what he was driving home !
1) South Audiences are not matured enough to enjoy good (classic) movies-mmaa.. ?
2) Because of this only Top 4 Heroes can create a Blockbuster :rotfl:
3) Even China has over taken us !! Audacity talk nothing else
I don't have any issue with anyone expecting better quality movies . But you can't say others(china)some how started producing better movies despite they starting much later . Its called hard work and dedication , NO SOUTH INDIAN DIRECTOR can ever produce movies like Ip Man , Red Cliff, The man from no where, 13 assassins and list go on.
Stop cribbing , start working ! sarakku saroja sarakku show some real sarakku ya ! Please ya !
:notworthy: My perception on SR surges after viewing his interview! What a passion! The place he talks about dropping the project with Kamal.. He stands tall.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
ennatha stand tall -nu therla .. Selvaragavan is ambitious and does things that are un-necessary for a movie.. like those gladiator type scenes in Aayirathil Oruvan .. he must have suggested some unwanted scenes for vishwaroopam even when delaying the project.. aandavar kelambudaanu solliruppaaru .. i feel that he is a show off case .. summa random-aa thevai illaama scenes vaikkurathu thappu ..
but most of the things he says in this interview is true ..
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Originally Posted by Dilbert
He has enough time to ridicule everyone but did not find some to watch a movie like Soodhu Kavvum...............
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Originally Posted by NOV
He is repeating the same things again and again. I don't think he has done anything to improve the situation...
Summary : Quitting alcohol can have side-effects.
If SR had atleast said, not everything, but only few words to his bro / Dad, we would have not been suffering from nightmares those haunt us even today. By telling these lines, I wish to highlight the point that pulling down anyone is quite an easy job. That should not be the point from SR though.
[But atleast Danush has come out of it and his recent films are good therapy to get out of the nightmares he was the reason for.]
Few things that SR says is quite understandable, but looking at his track on pre-productions works, he beats GVM by an easy mile. And I understand his furstration. Basically the "entertainment industry" lives inside a circle governed by the soceity. Ofcoarse it has to fulfill its needs first, rather than going out of the circle to prove a point. We take in the Hollywood junks [I have seen him present during several Hollywood movie prémier] and never pose such questions. But we put the guilt on our own heads rather than motivating lines. Well, why am I hear is just to say 3 points that caught my interest :
1/ Kamal - Surya
Recently I was talking about Kamal with my friends here, we were watching a song from Meendum Gokila - "Hey ore ayiram". Only side-face 'profilic" filming was done in most parts of the song. You got to see how well Kamal emotes. I announced to them that if you cast Kamal in the "Black or White" MJ Song, no CGI is necessary. Kamal can bring out the different emotions & smiles just by turning his face left to right. I precised that there is another actor who “MAY” do it, and that’s Surya. But one has to understand that Surya is a Transverse actor, so he got to give different shapes to his carrier, that includes Shouting Singham Series too.
2/ Soodhu Kavum
Either SR has already taken his side (Puthupetai connection) to avoid VS into the topic, or 17 mins is not enough to convey more. I want to beleive the latter, but only SR would know the answer.
3/ Chinese / Korean Movie
They have created their own genre just like us. So we are in par with them, except that they come out more cultural rather than us still relying on foreign locations and navel shots. Question to film makers : When was the last movie on "India Independence" made ? When was the last movie which really projected cultural aspects of rural and urban life (and did that film got released or still struggling to get a theatre to get released) ? Which is the film which rendered itself as a spectacle ?
They know the answer, but are ready only to give reasons why they can't do it. Here is the true problem and in this I entirely agree with SR.
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Originally Posted by Avadi to America
If not Ansuka, who else - the one and only Super-Hero(ine) in TFI.
Finally, everyone seems to agree with at least some parts of the interview. At least he is voicing his views which is good though I find his response on Soodhu Kavvum disingenuous. I am glad he did not do VR with KH but I do hope he gets to direct KH with his own story (without any VFX)
I subscribe to Anban's response. Selva's response is spot regarding the state of TC. If SR shot VR-1, movie would've gone to AO level of indulgence.
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Originally Posted by Anban
This is how fake legends are created. All his movies have same narrative style . He is talking like cooked lentil about producers in south Indian cinema are a looking for quick returns etc etc.. what is he expecting people should fund projects even when its garbage in the name of experiments?
The only reason this guy have some name in the industry is because of the marketing done by the very same producers he is bad mouthing for his earlier movies :rant:.
I would definitely rate Vetrimaran above this guy, humbleness is key for success. Ask Mani saar !
I think Kamal did a better job with vishwaroop without this guy. I am pretty sure he would have added a rain sang in vishwaroop with kamal and some gillma
it is becos that ppl are dissing directors like SR, that we are still getting movies like singam and maryaan... people get the movies they deserve
No one will ditch anyone .. if they provide movies which people like period. Most of the Asians countries are poverty ridden countries.. where people go to cinemas for pure entertainment value not to see some psycho's 100 cr experiment because someone felt he should spend 100 cr to drive a message.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
just to quote an example for this discussion : Laagan , it was an experiment (though it had A K as lead) it was never done before. A period movie and cricket people laughed at the idea before its release. What happened after is history.
I am not sure if I would call Laagan, an experiment.
Genre : sports => could be new to IFI, and maybe experimental strictly on its reception, but the movie on the whole was straight forward, and luckily it stuck to its genre. If Laagan is expremental, then Ethir Neechal must be adressed the same way too.
Laagan is just a simple tale woven during the time of independence struggle. What made it stand alone is its cleverness in not bringing in the usual "Vandhe Matharam" every 5 minutes. But it deviated from it but showed the heart pounding clash between the Britishers and Indians in different way. That's where it tasted success.
Ethir neechan - Nagesh or the new one?Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
The new one. I am aware many questions will be raised on "experimental movies". Not going in detail, just give you couple of examples :
Certain works of RGV : the last disaster movie Department. He tried to use 5D technique (showing the tea-cups walking or carom coins taking you with it while sliding ... etc.) which left most of the audience with head-aches.
Mumbai express : even though its absurd film making, anything absurd (most often) automatically generates itself to experimental. Not quite well received though.
Soodhu Kavvum : sleek shots, quick cuts, jumbled narrative style - clicked
But as I had mentioned, Laagan is straight forward, nothing experimented in film making.
Summary : Not that something new to the audience is "experimental" (maybe for BO success), but it strictly should come under film making techniques [includes editing, camera, screen-writing, narration and sometimes direction (check Revolver by Guy Ritchie or Nolan's Momento or Brad Anderson's The Machinist)]
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Movies with "twist" are not expremental too. Its just that the creator kept his best for the end (and they are decided by genres).
And Pizza's Torch light search was already tried by Mani Rathinam in Agni Natchathiram - strictly talking about "original-lighting-effect" and not the difficulty faced by the camera man & crew.
Lastly, there comes a confucius state where the movie cannot enter into any defined genres or its sub-genres, re-writing itself a nameless-unique-genre. Ex: Quentin Tarantino works. Whether its experimental or not is the true on-going debate.
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Originally Posted by mappi
If you call Laagan a Sports Genre movie ! sorry to say we are miles apart in our point of views. Does movie talk about rules of cricket in detail or does it promote cricket in anyway?. If that day brits were playing polo instead of cricket, movie would have gone with it. The only reason they picked cricket because its popular in present time to drive a narrative that's all. As per ME its a period movie (not sports or cricket) with a plot where a game was used to decided faith of poor villagers and very emotionally narrated story.
Comparing Laagan and Ethir neechal (A copy cat of Run fat boy Run??) Seriously??? Dude you have to see some good movies..
Whats with new to IFI :lol2:??
Pl revisit Laagan ! and let me know if you still think its a simple movie. What the hell you are supporting the point, which I am trying to make here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
Laagan took a complex subject a period movie with people's emotions , British Rule , pre-independence social setup. And narrated it in such a way that MOST people
thought / think its a simple movie. Director was successful in his experiment.
We were discussing Indian Cinema saar. So quoting Aalyeewood has no meaning to it.
Dilbert, eventhugh our point of views differ, we still try to hold on to that point which we think is the point that is deserved to be pointed out, isn't it ?
Taking the lines that you took for calling Laagan an experimental movie, is not its genre : epic/period, but the fact that it has cricket in it. In that case, we look into the genre sport, which is a rarity in Indian Film Industry (IFI). Ofcoarse in Lagaan the villagers are briefed about cricket and its rules, thats where the Heorine role comes into picture. Now, why not polo or "coconut-tree-climbing", I am not there to give a say. Thats entirely the film makers choice and I have clearly mentioned that they have scored high there, making the viewers forgot these kind of tickling thoughts. Films are lies told is a very true manner.
Your desperate ways to prove Laagan as an experiental film was summerised by me as "clash" that happened during Independence. If you have anything technical to say about the movie, please come forward, rather than repeating the whole story of Laagan once again. And bringing in Hell and Heaven does not help either. I am sincerely here to put forward the Film Theories that I have learnt and would like to learn from other hubbers too (trust me there are several discussion those which are helping me), and not to erase anyones 'Happy-saturday' from the 'Enjoy-Calender', just as the way you are trying to project.
Again, while talking about Laagan I never mentioned any Hollywood Movies. While trying to give my take on experimental movies, I did give 2 Tamil movies and a movie from south Indian Director. That does not end there and to clearly make it a better-undestanding, I took some Hollywood films. If this proceeding is not clear, sorry to say I cannot change the way that I have learnt to present things to an in-uniform audience.
And again we are miles apart in our POV. There is no good movie / bad movie. There are only "Movies I like" / "Movies I don't like". And my choice of movies is nil, as I am as open and non-partial in watching "a movie". Sorry to deny your recomendation on that.
So, I respect your point, and I think I have made myself clear with mine too.
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Originally Posted by mappi
Yes you have every rite to hold your POV , ok now we are moving on to technical grounds good from genre discussion !!
- Edited when I said "what the hell" its expression of surprise nothing else.. I don't want take away anyones happy saturday or his happy booze day hehe
oh btw way when you compare AN OSCAR NOMINATED Movie to a copycat We need to really think how far it will hold water. you might be sincere I never doubted or will doubt about you putting forward the Film Theories that you have learnt . Being passionate is different from being rational. Back in days , few of my buddies called Kamal Sir " Oscar Nayagan" Idea behind was every movie of his released was nominated for Oscar. So lets continue our discussion on experiments. Its entering some good discussion space.
Is other girl with Andrea is Misses Selvaragavan???Quote:
Originally Posted by Thala_rasigan
I thought he married one of his film heroineyamma No?Quote:
Originally Posted by balaajee
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Originally Posted by Dilbert
Sonia Agarwal is now ex-wife...
That is the now-sought comedienne, Vidyulekha "Vidya" Raman. Selva's sister-in-law.Quote:
Originally Posted by balaajee
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This guy can't even smile on his own engagement, something has/is seriously gone/going wrong.
I remember someone commented back during wedding time, "ivan pregnant maadhiri irukkan" with that scowl expression of his :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilbert
Not sure why he doesn't smile. Dhanush completely contrasts him.
Bala - Myshkin - Selvaraghavan ellam orey bunch...Bala kooda appo appo siripaar, mitha rendu perum always terror look. Check out SR interview in this week AV.