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prasad,

I will fully agree with you on Bhavatharini. That Raja gave her songs because she was the daughter. But in case of Yuvan, and I have been arguing this on twitter as well, Raja has kept him at a safe distance. He has only called him when some 'fun' songs were needed, as in 'Kadhal Jaathi'. In those cases, because the voices were supposed to be bad and Yuvan's voice fitted that to the 'T'. Can you give me one example where for a nice melody Raja has used Yuvan earlier? So I think it is very unfair to level this charge against Raja in the case of Yuvan, while it is perfectly fine in the case of Bhavatharini.

My personal take is, that using Yuvan would have been a decision taken upon GVM's request. For all the scorn shown, Yuvan seems to have his own set of youth fans. Now that makes no sense to me but the youth of today seem to have a predilection to bad voices and bad accent. Honestly do you think Udit Narayan or Sadna Sargam would have sung so many songs in Tamil had the youth been intolerant to the massacre of the language. As I said earlier, it seems to have been some sort of strategy to attract the youth and hence Yuvan got to sing the song. Maybe they think this will also become a hit like the 'oru kal oru kannadi' song from 'SMS'.

So before we throw stones at Raja, which we love to do at every occasion, and compare him unfavorably with others, try and find out why this happened, especially given the track record of Raja never using Yuvan for such songs earlier. That's the least we can do to Raja rather than come up with accusation of nepotism.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Yuvan seems to have his own set of youth fans. Now that makes no sense to me but the youth of today seem to have a predilection to bad voices and bad accent. Honestly do you think Udit Narayan or Sadna Sargam would have sung so many songs in Tamil had the youth been intolerant to the massacre of the language.

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Ok one question to all ye meesicals - mispronunciation is by no means the only offence Yuvan could be booked under IPC for, right?
Surudhi ellAm sErudhundreengaLA? :roll:

StraightA Udit-Oda compare paNradhaala kEkkaREn.

Youth south ellaam balderdash. This line of justification (adhuvum from Raaja fans) is an insult to him. Yuvan is not a singer, period. Bhava-va use panradhe thappu but idhu ulagamaha crame. Just think where this song would have gone with a *singer*

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Originally Posted by P_R

Ok one question to all ye meesicals - mispronunciation is by no means the only offence Yuvan could be booked under IPC for, right?
Surudhi ellAm sErudhundreengaLA? :roll:

StraightA Udit-Oda compare paNradhaala kEkkaREn.

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:exactly: +1

P_R,

Yes, Yuvan is no way comparable to Udit, who is a singer. I just wanted to bring to attention that not everything that we hold dear is something which everyone wants. And there may be circumstances where people have been OK with bad singers, bad pronunciation etc. (Even in the 'semmozhi paadal' we had rap for variety!!!) And we have seen that happen repeatedly with songs sung by Yuvan being 'hits' !!!

Bala,

I don't think there is any quarrel about Yuvan not being a singer. It is a question of why he used him. Was it something the makers wanted or something he wanted? That is my question. My feeling is that Raja may be more inclined to go with 'modern trends' where, whether we like it or not, a set of fans exists for Yuvan's singing. Only how the song performs in the market will give us an indication if the thinking by Raja and GVM was right or wrong. Given the type of songs I listen on FM when I go to Chennai and the sort of voices I hear, I am more than sure this will be accepted by the general public.

Personally, in this song, I can live with Yuvan's voice. Much better than how he sings in his own music.

phew! what a spiteful bashing of u1. He has a unique voice fit for "soul" songs.
"Oru naaLil Vaazhkkai ingu" (from Pudhu paettai) - idhellaam rajave touch pannaadha sila areas thannoda voicela
U1 touch panni irukkaar. - There are some emotions and situations suited for his voice .
Even KArthik Rajaa's soft voice is apt for certain songs. and indha songukku pallavila his voice suits. period.
how the tune flows in charanam and how his voice turns out in totality is one more thing and if it is a bit song
all the better..

3 songs Yuvan padaradhaa munnadiye solliyaachu...



oru thadava check out pannittu.. appadiye U turn eduthu poyitten eruppen...

Jaiganes
Phew! What a spree of mediocrity-celebration you are on.

pirandha naal vazhthukkal , Raja!

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Jaiganes
Phew! What a spree of mediocrity-celebration you are on.

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Well - last I remember myself celebrating something on hub- it was Johnny - rajinikanth performance.. adhai solraeLaa?

There's another tiny teaser being shown on tv every 10mins. I can't find it on uteep.
Is there any special program on any of the tv channels today?


<youth talk>
saindhu saindhu rokzzzz!!! :shoot: :smokesmirk: :bluejump:
all kelatts 10 steps back! :poke:
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Which TV channel ?
Adhai sollungappaa...

sei - avaru adhai solallainu gningalukkum ariyAm. Oka Raayi Oka Addam gurinchi chAlA bAga masterpiece ananattu mAtladuthunnAru kAdhA - dhannE mediocrity celebration ani Bala gaaru antunnArani nA uddhEsam...

Yes KV. 'saindhu saindhu' rokzzz. What a tune.

Coincidentally was hearing the Yuvan song from 'Paiyya' on TV. That was a super hit song. In this song he sounds way better than in that song. So why this kolaveri. Please understand y00th feelings ya.

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Which TV channel ?
Adhai sollungappaa...

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saw the teaser on jaya tv.

appidi pOdunga sureshji. neenga namma settu. :thumbsup:
indha perusuga tholla thaanga mudiyala pa! :razz:

indha teaser-ai ellAm kEttu tholaichA dhAnE kashtam.adhukku dhAn nAn youteeb pakakmE poRadhilla

Pallavi portion with yuvan's style of singing is a bit of a let down. The song sounds better from anupallavi though. Lovely (and classy) guitar laden ludes.

Maybe there were reasons to select Yuvan. One I could think of is that he has given some nice melodies (in his music and his style of singing) in some movies in recent years and many people like it. I like his "pogadhe" song from deepavali immensely.

HEARTY BIRTHDAY WISHES to our beloved Ilaiyaraaja!

thanks,

Krishnan

யுவன் நிறைய பாடல்கள் பாடிட்டாப்லயே. சமீப காலமா தான் அவர் பாடகரே கிடையாதுங்கறது அளவுல விமரிசனங்கள் தென்படுது. Or maybe I haven't been paying enough attention or following such discussions. ஆனா ஏதோ இடிக்குது.

Have nothing to say about the song itself. Except that it (the guitar) kinda sounds nice.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

யுவன் நிறைய பாடல்கள் பாடிட்டாப்லயே. சமீப காலமா தான் அவர் பாடகரே கிடையாதுங்கறது அளவுல விமரிசனங்கள் தென்படுது. Or maybe I haven't been paying enough attention or following such discussions. ஆனா ஏதோ இடிக்குது.

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AmAyyA indha KArthik Raja fans (naanum Mumbai RAmkiyum) dhAn kaasu koduthu ellAraiyum apdi solla vaikkiROm :lol:

Plum, I'm not saying there's an agenda or anything to that effect. Just wondering if Yuvan has overindulged himself over the years (by giving himself too many songs) and has annoyed many people enough to place such a criticism. யுவனுக்குன்னு ஒரு scope இருக்குறதா தான் எனக்குப் பட்டிருக்கு. Not a fan, but I've liked some of his songs. There, I said it.

>>digr.
And as an aside, this whole polemic about Karthik Raja being a more proper heir of Raaja (or simply more Raaja-like) doesn't hold water IMO. And I'm someone who loves a good share of Karthik Raja's work, but Raaja-vudaiya signature style-la avar muzhusA imbibe paNNi compose paNRadhA thONala. adhula irukkuRa sila sparks irukku-ngRadhukku mEla solla edhuvum irukkAnnu theriyala. To my untrained ears, it seems he has his own style -- 'lite' compositions, inclination towards lethargic melodies and so on. 'kingudA' pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA?
<<end digr.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

kingudA pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA?

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:lol:

I mean, really! Look at what Karthik Raja does with a kuththu song (how differently Prabhu Deva has to choreograph for it and so on). Of course there's a possibility that KR was asked to do so by the director (Sundar C!) and all that, but it's not like he does something truly startling within the given scope. Raaja OTOH is a proper monster in every which way possible in whatever scope he's offered. How many KR songs do you recall in which he's exhibited something close to such monstrosity?! avarukku iLagina manasu sir. In fact, all my responses to this startling claim can be summed up with this sentence. avarukku romba iLagina manasu sir.

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Originally Posted by Plum

sei - avaru adhai solallainu gningalukkum ariyAm. Oka Raayi Oka Addam gurinchi chAlA bAga masterpiece ananattu mAtladuthunnAru kAdhA - dhannE mediocrity celebration ani Bala gaaru antunnArani nA uddhEsam...

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adhi masterpiece ani naenu cheppaledhu swami. odhileyandhi - futurelo anni clear authundhi. kaani ardha paatalu vinni yuvakumarudu sarva naasham chesaadu ani cheppettam - yaemo balanced viewlaaga naaku kanapadaledhu - adhe nenu cheppedhi maata..

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Originally Posted by equanimus

>>digr.
And as an aside, this whole polemic about Karthik Raja being a more proper heir of Raaja (or simply more Raaja-like) doesn't hold water IMO. And I'm someone who loves a good share of Karthik Raja's work, but Raaja-vudaiya signature style-la avar muzhusA imbibe paNNi compose paNRadhA thONala. adhula irukkuRa sila sparks irukku-ngRadhukku mEla solla edhuvum irukkAnnu theriyala. To my untrained ears, it seems he has his own style -- 'lite' compositions, inclination towards lethargic melodies and so on. 'kingudA' pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA?
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ennaya kaetta raasavoda isaikku vaarisu innyum varailnnu dhaan solvaen. varanumnaa - oru raakshasa dhaagam venum. "kondaadi andaa" rangekku paatayum isayaiyum kudikkara
oru modaa kudigaaran. avana maadhiri boadhayoda evanum illaingradhu dhaan factuu.

VaarisunA orevadiyA sdburmanukku rdburman rangela edhirpArkaradhA?(Ninga innum mela poyi 16 adi paayanumnu vERa edhirpaarkaringa)? Edho or sivajikku prabhu, mgrku jayalalitha rangeukkAvadhu othukka koodaadhA? Paarthu pottu kodunga saar

Propah kuththu songla I concede to Yuvakumarudu(hattip: jai). Andha vengala kiNNaththai thambikku koduthukkunga maththabadi 4 adi pAnjAlum aNNan dhaan vaarisu.

Suresh,

While it was clear he did it for Bhava several times, it may be what you thought(may be GVM decision). While I am great fan of IR music, I have reservations on his decisions to sing good songs(for ex in TIS professional singer would have done real good justice).

Regarding Sadana Sargam and Udit, they don't miss shruthi like yuvan. He is suitable for very few songs where he is bearable, but not all songs.

Again, it is not throwing stone on our maestro, but "oru aadangam thailavar ippadi pannitaare". This was golden opportunity with all great hype and money spent on quality recording and musicians.

Atleast if the same song is sung by professional singer also in another track and is available for listening, it will be consoling. If we are left with no choice than yuvan voice...

Jaiganes,

"Oru naalil " song by Yuvan was masterpiece tune butchered by him all over. For comparison, it is sung by SP Charan in telugu. I am seeing heaven to earth difference.

Prasad,

As I said earlier, people seem to have different criteria. If it is sruthi for you, it could be the murder of language for others. (For example, in Kannada, Udit Narayan sings , 'nA jothege' clearly as ' nachO dekhe', turning Kannada into Hindi. He does that in sruthi suddham way but it is still not pleasant to the ears.)

My feeling is that Yuvan is singing because there is so much hype, so much money involved!!! Because Yuvan has a constituency of his own and GVM may probably want to capture that vote bank :) As KV said, lot of us out of touch with the current reality where people don't worry about voice quality but would love some 'cool' songs from different voices. We have two ways to react, Accept the reality (which Raja seems to have done) or take a stand like Bala(K) did that Yuvan singing such a song in Raja's music is a great crime. We will know how the song is received once the whole song is released and also on how the song is used in the picture. My honest feeling is that most of Raja fans are over reacting. I don't listen to much of Yuvan's music nor am I a fan of his singing but I thought the outrage here and on twitter was disproportionate to how the song was. Maybe my ears adjust to bad singing better :D

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.

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Originally Posted by prasad_subbu

Suresh,

While it was clear he did it for Bhava several times, it may be what you thought(may be GVM decision). While I am great fan of IR music, I have reservations on his decisions to sing good songs(for ex in TIS professional singer would have done real good justice).

Regarding Sadana Sargam and Udit, they don't miss shruthi like yuvan. He is suitable for very few songs where he is bearable, but not all songs.

Again, it is not throwing stone on our maestro, but "oru aadangam thailavar ippadi pannitaare". This was golden opportunity with all great hype and money spent on quality recording and musicians.

Atleast if the same song is sung by professional singer also in another track and is available for listening, it will be consoling. If we are left with no choice than yuvan voice...

Jaiganes,

"Oru naalil " song by Yuvan was masterpiece tune butchered by him all over. For comparison, it is sung by SP Charan in telugu. I am seeing heaven to earth difference.

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the feel yuvakumarudu gives to the heart of pudhuppettai song (oru naalil) - i dont think it could be provided by SP charan gaaru. shruthi, swaram, layam - i agree - but singing is beyond just shruthi and layam - offkey singing suits offkey situations and characters and his version of Oru naaLil is what i would take given the movie that PP is...
mathabadi - it is left to the individual viewer as to what he or she prefers in a cine song..
Net and net - I am no big fan of yuvakumarudu's crooning - but for some situations - it is sooo PERFECT. I just hope that this half a song what we have been exposed to has similar justification behind the voice casting - otherwise Raja all these days has never felt the need to use his second son.

Telugu hero tweets audio will be out month end. Endha month? Adha sollaliyE.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Prasad,

As I said earlier, people seem to have different criteria. If it is sruthi for you, it could be the murder of language for others. (For example, in Kannada, Udit Narayan sings , 'nA jothege' clearly as ' nachO dekhe', turning Kannada into Hindi. He does that in sruthi suddham way but it is still not pleasant to the ears.)

My feeling is that Yuvan is singing because there is so much hype, so much money involved!!! Because Yuvan has a constituency of his own and GVM may probably want to capture that vote bank :) As KV said, lot of us out of touch with the current reality where people don't worry about voice quality but would love some 'cool' songs from different voices. We have two ways to react, Accept the reality (which Raja seems to have done) or take a stand like Bala(K) did that Yuvan singing such a song in Raja's music is a great crime. We will know how the song is received once the whole song is released and also on how the song is used in the picture. My honest feeling is that most of Raja fans are over reacting. I don't listen to much of Yuvan's music nor am I a fan of his singing but I thought the outrage here and on twitter was disproportionate to how the song was. Maybe my ears adjust to bad singing better :D

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.

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maanicca vaasagar's perumaan will become angrynga if someone other than Raasaa goes near the mic to sing "pollaa vinayaen".. thappu thappu.. thaadaila poattukunga..

People arguing in favor of Yuvan's voice in that song being good - probably song might be a hit as nowadays public seems to prefer songs like 'venam machan - oru kal oru kannadi'. However, hearing the few second sample, it is kind of disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Propah kuththu songla I concede to Yuvakumarudu(hattip: jai). Andha vengala kiNNaththai thambikku koduthukkunga maththabadi 4 adi pAnjAlum aNNan dhaan vaarisu.

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Let's not digress further. idhu vERa vivAdham. But my perspective here is, neither of the two is a proper heir. [Even with kuththu songs, I'd go only so far as saying Yuvan's compositions come closest in terms of mood and soundscape among contemporary composers, but not of the order of Raaja as such. And I think someone like Vidyasagar can also acquit himself rather well on a good day in this area, just not so well as Yuvan, so it's not like Yuvan is a lonely crusader i.e. எந்த மேட்டர்லயும் யுவன் "தான்" 'ன்ற அளவுல நான் எதுவும் சொல்லலை.]

I go with Suresh and Jai. Singer selection most probably by GVM and song may be a bit song. Personally I fell this song should be a long one and Ilaiyaraja should justice in other parts of song if you feel the teaser is a let down. BTW going by the opinion on the singer yuvan, I could feel how Ilaiyaraja, the singer, would have faced criticism like this during his initial days of singing :razz:. Ofcourse IR is way better singer than IR but I am sure both faced same kind of criticism may be with different quantity.

Yuvan sounds horrible in low notes like this. Even in that latest payyaa hit song, it was a high pitch kaththal (en kaadhal solla nEramillai). I can tolerate him that way. But this song, oru 10+ times kEttu paarungabaa, not that you ll love him, but you ll get used to him. He sounds good in the anupallavi.

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

The 10 sec clip on Jaya, vERa songaa, illai idhu dhaanaa?

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He sounds good in the anupallavi.

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

The 10 sec clip on Jaya, vERa songaa, illai idhu dhaanaa?

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