app_engine why don't u explain very briefly what it is about?
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app_engine why don't u explain very briefly what it is about?
thumburu,
This is what, i guess, app_engine is referring to. It is kumudam arasu badhilgaL section.Quote:
What is your opinion about IR's words "I am beyond those trashes" to the question about the 'revolutionary music' of Bob marley, Bob dylan, paavalar varadharaajar, asked in Outlook?
Arasu: It is not necessary that IR should know about those "greats artists" just because IR knows about music. Let Raaja listen to marley's famous songs and the path breaking music of dylan. It is fortunate that IR did not say about John lennon.
Cacaphonix, IR was right in rebuffing an irrelevant question asked with an ulterior intention
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...563360,00.html
support for the view that live-8 is garbage
And at least two of my African American friends termed `Bob Marley' as equivalent to `drug addiction'...which IMHO is same as `garbage' (whatever music he produces doesn't mean anything if he promotes drugs...)
I have kept away from this discussion after Alvarpet Andavan made post asking to put on end. But recent comments made by “app_engine” and “Kavni” made me to write this.
Do you want to project IR as better than Bob Marley, just by mentioning Marley’s addiction to Marijuana? Please note that our famous Tamil writers Bharathi, Jayaganthan and many more were/are also addicts to this plant. The addiction to Marijuana is still very common among many spiritual seekers (!) wandering around Ganges and Himalayas!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Many of the famous artists and poets (example Kannadaasan, Omar Kayam) were/are addict to Alcohol. It doesn’t mean neigther such addiction can be considered justifiable or their personal habits and weakness need to be justified. But we can not downgrade their great whole hearted love towards humanity by raising questions on their personal habits. I request you to read and compare the life of Bob Marley as well as the life of IR (before his spiritual inclination) before making such comments on Bob Marley.
Bob Marley’s Reggae or Gadder’s “Parai” or any other similar efforts are basically and sincerely aimed to use the art for the uplift of suffered people. In my opinion, such effort will remain much longer than any melodious /heart soothing (or melting) spiritual music/art, as Swami Vivekanda once said God/religion is no use for the people with empty stomach. Any service/effort to suffered human beings is more than any prayers or any divine works including so-called divine music. In my opinion any spiritual music which rejects humanism, is waste even it has high quality music and made with expensive troops. TIS might be heart soothing but Gadder’s “parai” or Bob Marley’s “Reggae” are brain awakening and it is more divine (in my opinion) considering the level of humanism involved.
In a recent hardtalk extra (BBC TV program), one of the great musician of our time Pandit Ravi Sankar praised the effort of Live8 in bringing world attention towards poor people of South Africa. He is also a spiritual man and considers his music is divine similar to IR, but doesn’t reject the effort like Live8 as garbage. Please don’t start a war comparing Pandit Ravi Sankar (the best known Indian Musician as BBC called) with IR.
I had also listened the TIS few times but frankly I couldn’t able to appreciate it. It may be due to my lack of knowledge or interests in such western music. I still feel IR own music troop would have been done better music of my choice. I still prefer to hear Bharathi or Nizalgal or Mouna Raagam or Alaigal Oaivathillai or Johny or even Priya than TIS. You all can call me as “Gnana Suniyam” but please note that every one has their own likes and dislikes. I also fan of IR music but it is not necessary that I have to accept whatever IR produces as great. You all may have entirely different views.
If you want to praise IR or TIS, you all have the rights to do. But calling other sincere artists or their sincere efforts as Garbage is not at all necessary and it will lead to only nonsensical debates.
If you don’t want to look at any opposite views about TIS or IR recent comment, then just ask the moderator to delete this kind of threads, call the people with opposite views as useless dusts and just praise and praise your lords/gurus/musicians/ideals. It is all up to you.
r_kk,
Let me make something clear first - I'm not defending IR for his interview. My post is only a part of the discussion about those whom he trashed.
Now you said:
"The addiction to Marijuana is still very common among many spiritual seekers (!) wandering around Ganges and Himalayas..."
I won't think for even a second to dump such efforts as ABSOLUTE TRASH! Adding big names like Bharathi does not enhance the claims to legalize drug addiction in any way. If anything, it's a black mark for such illustrious people and I NEVER ATTRIBUTE THEIR CREATIVITY TO THE POLLUTING OF THEIR BODIES AND MINDS WITH SUCH STUFF.
Now, my comments w.r.t Bob Marley was not just related to his addiction but promotion of drugs among his followers...what I learnt from those who listened to his music that even THE CONTENTS OF HIS ALBUMS PROMOTED DRUGS AND SUCH DELINQUENT BEHAVIOUR. And personally I hate to listen to any such stuff that promotes drugs / alcoholism / sexual perversions etc.
While we can dismiss his own addictions as something personal, how can we accept him promoting such vices to others (either by his setting up a public model or through his artistic output)? If that is not trash, then what else is?
Once again please don't mistake, I'm not bent upon `defending IR' for whatever remarks he makes from time to time...he could be outspoken and even outrageous at times. At times, criticism of his opinions is definitely in place.
That does not mean that everything he speaks is out of arrogance either. After doing my own research on Bob Marley (and his effects on community), I've reached certain conclusions.
Again these are as per certain values / standards which I've arrived at for myself over the 40 yrs' lifetime, which may not be the same as yours.
All I can say is please do not jump into some extremist bandwagon / group (usually brainwashed by jolna bags sitting in a corner of India and producing / reading a distinctly `colored' literature but never directly interacting with or actually visiting any lands / peoples outside)...I personally had discussions with a number of them and often found them severely lacking information about what others believe...Theirs is equivalent to the superstitions people have such as `I was born as one' `My grandpa taught this' etc...only the words are different... `so-and-so says so' `science claims so' etc., never digging in to find whether that is absolute truth or just a theory.
And my remarks about Bob Marley are no way related to the others in question - Live 8 or Gaddar or Pavalar, about whom my knowledge is zero and I haven't done any research either...
r_kk,
thanks for taking the trouble to respond to my post.
I have to state that my comments are limited to live-8 only and nothing else. I followed live-8 since its announcement, its attempts to reach to decandent mass, the sms gimmicks, and till the day it happened. as i watched live-8, the opinion that it was whatever I think it was rooted firmly in my mind. I challenge you to change my opinion about live-8. IR's comments about live-8 came much later and i was just happy to see that HE, whose music i relate strongly with, also sharing my opinion and hence my efforts to contribute in this thread.
this has nothing to do with TIS or other eminent personalities you have stated. I still believe that IR's comments were about live-8 and not about Marley or Dylan or whoever else. if you read the article again it is pretty obvious that it was unethical journalism. Unless IR tells me otherwise I am quite unlikely to change my opinion.
I am quite happy to take this discussion further if it is about live-8.
app_engine,
What about Lord Shiva Who himself is a Marijuana addict about whom IR/Manickavasagar praises in TIS. Hope IR Finds time to say that Lord shiva Is a garbage :)
rs, `netRikkaN thiRappinum, kutRam, kutRamE':-)