New Releases of Bharath

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Originally Posted by Plum

When it comes to 'cool', I think our guys have a built-in disadvantage. And the ones that can manage it - Madhavan etc - are literally outsiders.

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:lol: True.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Not just linguistically, there's a lot of difference between the well-to-do class of Chennai (or more broadly Tamilnadu) and that of Bombay.

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Agreed. But that is only part of the picture. I claim that the well to do of Mumbai are more authentically represented than the well to of Chennai.

Peak, peak, peak wonly. It is only fitting in this discussion to discard any consideration for averages. And it is not even about well-to-do actually. It is authenticity in general. What is the last Tamil movie where the conversations seemed effortlessly believable ?

Plum will accuse me of comparing crests to troughs, but I have to let go here. When Madurai Sambavam attempts to ride on 'authenticity' it does not just make me cringe, it gets on my nerves. Something they consider central to the film has been done so poorly. What is wrong ? Difficult to articulate...you just know it. Pretty much like Satyaraj's assault on Madras Tamil as quarter Goindan in ulagam piRandhadhu enakkaaga. I exaggerate of course, but trust me not much. But nobody seems to have problem with that.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

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Originally Posted by Plum

But as equa observed, Bharath should have tried to be himself rather than channel BSKappoor for JWM remake. Even then, I am unsure of how he'll be able to tackle a *rich, suave* businessman(just like Kappoor can never be the lowly kaadhal mechanic), even accounting for the above difference. nEpALi is a case in point.
ennammO software engineer-Am, stylish party-Am, oNyum thErala.

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See, that's because in that film, the well-paid software engineer was imagined as someone from an entirely different world, which is hardly the case. "vERa mAdhiri pEsaNum sir..." 'nu avaru kitta pOi solliruppAnga. avarum enna thAn paNNuvAr, uLaRik kottittAr.

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Well, I'd like to give him that benefit of doubt but sondha abimaanamnu oNNU irukkilla...

Sedhuvinayagam: naamellAm college-la padikkirache...
Sandhanabarathy: naama eppo college-la padichOm ?

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Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

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Originally Posted by Aalavanthan

The movie has some stills showing Theni which might prove equa right on Tamannah's caste.

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Eq is right. Tamanna says "Naan Theni ponnu" in one of the scenes in trailer.

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Yeah, and most of the Madurai-based (so-called "maNNin maNamuLLa") films fail to look beyond Thevars anyway. Again goes on to prove that it's actually a privilege to be stereotyped in Tamil cinema.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Well, I'd like to give him that benefit of doubt but sondha abimaanamnu oNNU irukkilla...

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I didn't mean to say that in defence of Bharath per se. What I'm trying to say is the makers look for "something else" altogether (sAdharaNamAvE vittirukka vENdiya vishayaththai) and hence muck up.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

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Originally Posted by Plum

Well, I'd like to give him that benefit of doubt but sondha abimaanamnu oNNU irukkilla...

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I didn't mean to say that in defence of Bharath per se. What I'm trying to say is the makers look for "something else" altogether (sAdharaNamAvE vittirukka vENdiya vishayaththai) and hence muck up.

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That Shahid was closer to himself and Bharath tried to be someone else (heck we are already talking in past tense :-) ) is indeed a problem.

But in it there seems to be an underlying suggestion that Hindi acting is good 'because' people are allowed to play closer to their personalities. That line of argument does not give them sufficient credit IMO.

To stay with the current comparison. I am more certain that Bharath can't pull JWM than I am about that Shahid not pulling off a Kaadhal equivalent. (Movie won't work is another issue, I mean just the performance)

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Originally Posted by P_R

That Shahid was closer to himself and Bharath tried to be someone else (heck we are already talking in past tense :-) ) is indeed a problem.

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Idha thaan naan eppadi solradhunnu muzhichitu irundhaen. Its not only becoz of the personality, it is also the similar kind of movies that they have made in the past.
But tamil-la appadi endha actors-um illai enbadhu ennoda karuthu. All I can think of is Madhan from MMKR.

Adhukaaga thaan ennavo namma heroes ellam choosing movies like Thirumalai, Pudhupettai, Thaamirabharani which more suits to their personality.. I think this conversation would go to a stage where personality of hero in JWM cannot be met by any heros in Tamil.. I maybe wrong here !

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Originally Posted by P_R

But in it there seems to be an underlying suggestion that Hindi acting is good 'because' people are allowed to play closer to their personalities. That line of argument does not give them sufficient credit IMO.

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This is because you're still mixing this up with the Tamil cinema vs. Hindi cinema debate. andha case'la nAn unga katchi 'nga!

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To stay with the current comparison. I am more certain that Bharath can't pull JWM than I am about that Shahid not pulling off a Kaadhal equivalent. (Movie won't work is another issue, I mean just the performance)

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I am not so confident of BSKapoor. Even in Kaminey, I didnt realise he came from such a lower economic strata in the society until the flashback. The men's hostel the social worker stayed in - I wrongly thought of it as a women's hostel where Priyanka stays and BSK has sneaked into until she runs the corridor screaming and other occupants are shown watching. As for teh gangster, there was not an iota of the supposed economic and social strata of his character in him. Mechanic to door ki baat hai, yeh bachcha lower middle class bhi nahin kar sakta. Dhanush in Polladhavan-E kashtam ivanukku.

While rightly pointing fingers at Tamil Cinema for failing to provide authentic urbane, we should not fail in our duty to laugh at Hindi cinema for its inability to see beyond certain economic and social strata.

A word of appreciation for Chopra's character in Kaminey, though. Well performed. I'll even accuse Bhope of being inconsistent and doing as per the director's whims.

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Idhellam nyaayamae illai makkalae.. Naanum evvalavu dhaan JWM padam paakaama ezhudhitae irukardhu.. Idhu pathaadhunu Plum avargal Kaaminey vera inga kondu vandhutaar.. Ebbaa, aduthu dhayavu seidhu Taal pathi pesunga. andha padathula Asha Bhonsle songla Shahid oru sidela varuvan. adha pathi naan pesa thaayaar oops thayaar

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